1 2 36 37 38 40 42 43 44 49 50
Topic: Witchcraft and Shamanism
Ruth34611's photo
Fri 02/06/09 06:45 AM


Abra, it sounds like you are describing more of a Native American spirituality than paganism.


Well that's why I ask what you mean by "paganism".

It depends who's defining the word.

Here are some different defintions that I found on Google.

Def #1: Paganism - any of various religions other than Christianity or Judaism or Islamism.


By the above definition any religion other than the religions listed above is a pagan religion. That would even include Greek Mythology.


Def #2: Paganism - an Earth-based Religion; from the Latin paganus, a country dweller.

By that definition the North American Indians would be pagans. As would the Celtic Witches. Although the Celtic Witches also worship a Moon Goddess so is that Earth-based?

Def #3: Paganism - a nature-based religion. It is important to remember that all wiccans are pagan, but not all pagans are wiccan. There is a very wide variety of pagan religions, wicca is just one of them.

The above definition came from a Wiccan site that claims that Wicca is a nature-based religion. But they still worship a Moon Goddess. Wouldn't that make it a 'deity-based' religion? huh

I suppose that all depends on how they view the Moon Goddess. I personally view the Moon Goddess as an abstract concept rather than as an actual personified deity. So for me it qualifies as pantheism. It's just an abstract view, not really the worship of a deity.

From what I can tell from both Cunningham, and Penczak, pantheism is a valid Wicca view.

I'm not sure where Buddhism would fall in all of this.

I'm not sure if I'm a 'Pagan'. I guess that all depends on who's defining the term.

I guess the label fits me by all three of the above definitions.

Ironically it could also fit an atheist. By the above definitions even an atheist would be a 'pagan'.

Do you have other definitions to offer?

I'm not sure what you mean when you say, 'pagan'. And I'm not even sure if I am a pagan.

This is why I prefer to use the label "Pantheism" because it means "All is God".

That's my fundamental view. Witchcraft are just techniques I use.

Like Jess Lee I prefer to go labeless. But I don't want to get arrested for indecency. laugh

Are you using "Paganism" to refer to Celtic Traditions? I'm sure they would qualify as pagan by at least some, if not all, of the above definitions, but they certainly wouldn't be the only religions that those definitions would cover.





I think one could argue all day long on all these definitions and I really don't care to do so. laugh

I agree with you, James. Labels are very limiting and easily misunderstood as they mean different things to different people.

Ruth34611's photo
Fri 02/06/09 06:51 AM

I think if current religions don't satisfy your spiritual needs a good idea might be to withdraw your attention from them and place it on the true nature of self.

Focus on the present moment of existence and the reality you have manifested around you, and your own body which is a universe itself.

Anyway I have decided to tend to my own universe and focus on inner worlds and the infinite being that I am. Infinity goes in both directions, infinitely small (inner) and infinitely large (outer.)

Goodmorning! flowerforyou




that's why I take what I want/need from religions and just use that. Focusing on the inner self is the key. After all.....the kingdom of God is within you.

Krimsa's photo
Fri 02/06/09 06:55 AM
I personally define anything that is not Judeo-Christian or Islamic in origin as being "Pagan." I’m sure someone would find reason to argue with that also.

Ruth34611's photo
Fri 02/06/09 07:01 AM

I personally define anything that is not Judeo-Christian or Islamic in origin as being "Pagan." I’m sure someone would find reason to argue with that also.


Yeah, Christians consider the Muslims to be pagan.

no photo
Fri 02/06/09 07:02 AM
The above definition came from a Wiccan site that claims that Wicca is a nature-based religion. But they still worship a Moon Goddess. Wouldn't that make it a 'deity-based' religion? huh

I suppose that all depends on how they view the Moon Goddess. I personally view the Moon Goddess as an abstract concept rather than as an actual personified deity. So for me it qualifies as pantheism. It's just an abstract view, not really the worship of a deity.


Didn't you know? The moon goddess is the draconian princess that lives inside the moon which is hollow, and actually is a spaceship disguised as a moon. :wink:

Krimsa's photo
Fri 02/06/09 07:08 AM
Isnt the moon actually made of cheese? Gouda in fact. happy

Ruth34611's photo
Fri 02/06/09 07:59 AM
No, not Gouda. Swiss. Come on....everyone knows that.

Jill298's photo
Fri 02/06/09 09:05 AM
OK so I was messing around on ebay last night and I came across a witch selling her spell casting. lol I was actually looking for a new necklace, somehow she showed up in my listings.
Anyway... I read her post and she's auctioning off a spell for making someone obessed with you. Think about you non stop day and night.
And then it goes on to say ... you purchase the spell once and I cast it once, purchase twice, I cast twice, 3 times and so on. The more time you cast it, the stronger it becomes.
OK... so not only do I not agree with performing that kind of spell, I don't get the whole performing it multiple times.
As far as I knew, you cast a spell and you walk away from it. You don't keep recasting it over and over.
IDK but she seemed like a fraud to me. huh

Krimsa's photo
Fri 02/06/09 09:12 AM
That’s crap and is no better than those Christian televangelists ripping off seniors with their scams. Can’t anyone cast a spell? You don’t have to be a Witch. The term Witch is quite subjective. I have been called a "Witch" by several of the male Christians on forum.

Jill298's photo
Fri 02/06/09 09:15 AM

That’s crap and is no better than those Christian televangelists ripping off seniors with their scams. Can’t anyone cast a spell? You don’t have to be a Witch. The term Witch is quite subjective. I have been called a "Witch" by several of the male Christians on forum.
I was actually pissed when I read her post. All these "spiritual pictures" and other such non sense to make her sound legit.

Jill298's photo
Fri 02/06/09 09:20 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/THINK-OF-ME-NON-STOP-Spell-cast-by-witch-haunted_W0QQitemZ320337059705QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item320337059705&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A3%7C294%3A50

Jill298's photo
Fri 02/06/09 09:21 AM
There's the link ...

Krimsa's photo
Fri 02/06/09 09:21 AM
I guess I didn’t word that correctly. There are certainly people that possess much more knowledge of Witchcraft and spell casting but this I would attribute to the amount of time they have spent actually studying the Craft and performing spells. But I think a person could still attempt to cast a spell who is not officially a Witch. That is why I often times become annoyed with "hereditary Witches." I live in New England so of course many people here claim that they are powerful hereditary Witches and can trace their lineages back to executed "Witches." That doesn’t mean that they are superior to non hereditary Witches in my opinion.

Jill298's photo
Fri 02/06/09 09:23 AM

I guess I didn’t word that correctly. There are certainly people that possess much more knowledge of Witchcraft and spell casting but this I would attribute to the amount of time they have spent actually studying the Craft and performing spells. But I think a person could still attempt to cast a spell who is not officially a Witch. That is why I often times become annoyed with "hereditary Witches." I live in New England so of course many people here claim that they are powerful hereditary Witches and can trace their lineages back to executed "Witches." That doesn’t mean that they are superior to non hereditary Witches in my opinion.
No it just gives them an excuse to be lazy and not have to study and practice because it's "heriditary" laugh

Jill298's photo
Fri 02/06/09 09:25 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/WITCH-SPITEFUL-VINDICTIVE-AND-EFFECTIVE-OLD-WOMAN-WITCH_W0QQitemZ180326025203QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item180326025203&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A3%7C294%3A50


This one... wow... IDK even what to say laugh

Jill298's photo
Fri 02/06/09 09:33 AM
Edited by Jill298 on Fri 02/06/09 09:34 AM

Jill298's photo
Fri 02/06/09 09:33 AM
frustrated I'm trying to post a pic of the necklace I wanted... I never did get the whole posting pics down laugh

Krimsa's photo
Fri 02/06/09 09:35 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Fri 02/06/09 09:35 AM
You have to [ img ] photo url [/ img]but no spaces

Jill298's photo
Fri 02/06/09 09:35 AM
Edited by Jill298 on Fri 02/06/09 09:35 AM

It's a dream catcher necklacebigsmile

Jill298's photo
Fri 02/06/09 09:35 AM
yay I did it hehehe

1 2 36 37 38 40 42 43 44 49 50