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It was confusing to
me at first, too, Polaritybear.... 
And I'm Still learning ...and still have a long way to go  
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I am so through on this topic.You have been debunked,out smarted,and proven wrong so many times that they only people that want to debate this with you is myself and I am through with you.There is two people on this planet that believe Hitler is a Christian.You and Abra.I don't think it would matter if I had a picture of Hitler throwing the pope in a fire.You would still deny it.We all know Hitler was only interested in his master race and his mater plan which didn't involve churches second guessing his orders nor did it involve churches having their own laws in his country in his governement.Your posts are nothing more than conspiracy theories and he said she said.You seem to have a serious problem admitting facts and denying truth.
There needs to be two rooms in General religion chat. 1.)Topics that are backed up with facts. 2.)Conspiracy theories with lies and half truths. You would fit in the later.You are not interested in having a debate unless you are always right.I would rather debate with my dog then with you. |
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Abra..... do you know WHY God doesn't do a thing to Lucifer ? Cause God CAN'T Go Agaisnt His Word.... and just go against someones' free will, including Lucifer's. But God already Won, by doing things in a Just way... without having to go against His Word. See ... Jesus Already WON THE VICTORY... by what He did on that cross over 2000 years ago!!!! God Already WON!!! I appreciate your beliefs MorningSong. Truly I do. But the very idea that God WON implies that Satan was a real threat to God. Otherwise it would be absurd to even claim that God WON. But you know as well as I do that no Christian believes that God even could have remotely lost to a pathetic fallen angel. So the whole story is silly to begin with. No war. No winning. No losing. It's all just a manmade myth to be read to children at bedtime to scare them in to behaving themselves. For some reason some of those children never grew up and just kept believing the stories, and now we never hear the end of it. 
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I am so through on this topic.You have been debunked,out smarted,and proven wrong so many times that they only people that want to debate this with you is myself and I am through with you.There is two people on this planet that believe Hitler is a Christian.You and Abra.I don't think it would matter if I had a picture of Hitler throwing the pope in a fire.You would still deny it.We all know Hitler was only interested in his master race and his mater plan which didn't involve churches second guessing his orders nor did it involve churches having their own laws in his country in his governement.Your posts are nothing more than conspiracy theories and he said she said.You seem to have a serious problem admitting facts and denying truth. There needs to be two rooms in General religion chat. 1.)Topics that are backed up with facts. 2.)Conspiracy theories with lies and half truths. You would fit in the later.You are not interested in having a debate unless you are always right.I would rather debate with my dog then with you. I never claimed that Hitler was a Christian. All I said is that Hilter used Christianity in his speeches to convince the public. I know those are fact, I could go look it up again, but it's readly available information. Look it up yourself. I said at the onset that Hitler's personal beliefs are moot. That doesn't change the fact that he used Christianity to support his goals. The mere fact that the religion can be used to convince people to murder heathens should be disgusting enough. Chirsitianity has a history of being used to murder heathens. 1. The Crusades (who can deny that?) 2. The witch burnings (who can deny that?) 3. The mass murdering of the Cathers ordered by the Pope. (look it up!) I think Krimsa has clearly showed that Hitler at least used Christianity to support his anti-jewish agenda. Whether he believed in the religion or not is moot. The fact that it can even be used to denounce heathens should be enough to denounce the religion. People use it all the time to denounce heathens (maybe not murder them), but they surely use it to murder their spirit. There's no defense for the religion. |
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um, Hitler oh yeah, that guy that started world war two you know, the one that killed 50 million people in a mere 6 years. ah. yah. and who brought us "The Final Solution" oh yah, that guy. who cares what he thought? look at what he did. |
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"Look at what he did."
EXACTLY, Wrenches. JUST because someone CLAIMS to be a Christian, doesn't MAKE him a Christian. "You shall know them by their fruits". Main fruits being, love joy, peace. Did Hitler bear fruit ? If he didn't ,then he wasn't a christian.... no matter what he claimed (if he even claimed he was atall). |
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A man is judged by his actions and not his words.
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It was confusing to me at first, too, Polaritybear....
And I'm Still learning ...and still have a long way to go
Everyone needs a hobby. 
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Wed 12/17/08 03:53 AM
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I am so through on this topic.You have been debunked,out smarted,and proven wrong so many times that they only people that want to debate this with you is myself and I am through with you.There is two people on this planet that believe Hitler is a Christian.You and Abra.I don't think it would matter if I had a picture of Hitler throwing the pope in a fire.You would still deny it.We all know Hitler was only interested in his master race and his mater plan which didn't involve churches second guessing his orders nor did it involve churches having their own laws in his country in his governement.Your posts are nothing more than conspiracy theories and he said she said.You seem to have a serious problem admitting facts and denying truth. There needs to be two rooms in General religion chat. 1.)Topics that are backed up with facts. 2.)Conspiracy theories with lies and half truths. You would fit in the later.You are not interested in having a debate unless you are always right.I would rather debate with my dog then with you. Thomas grow up. All I have shown here is historically accurate data. If you can prove to me that Hitler was not a practicing Catholic then do it. Using information from websites owned by the Catholic church wont cut it. Im sorry but that is the reality. My rebuttal information came from the words of a Cardinal just to be fair. He himself even stated that over 800 different Catholic organizations in Europe were helping the Nazies round up forced laborers for transport. "It should not be concealed that the Catholic Church was blind for too long to the fate and suffering of men, women and children from the whole of Europe who were carted off to Germany as forced labourers," said Cardinal Karl Lehmann, the bishop of Mainz. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Wed 12/17/08 04:01 AM
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Abracadabra said:
I never claimed that Hitler was a Christian.
All I said is that Hilter used Christianity in his speeches to convince the public. I know those are fact, I could go look it up again, but it's readly available information. Look it up yourself. I said at the onset that Hitler's personal beliefs are moot. That doesn't change the fact that he used Christianity to support his goals. The mere fact that the religion can be used to convince people to murder heathens should be disgusting enough. Chirsitianity has a history of being used to murder heathens. 1. The Crusades (who can deny that?) 2. The witch burnings (who can deny that?) 3. The mass murdering of the Cathers ordered by the Pope. (look it up!) I think Krimsa has clearly showed that Hitler at least used Christianity to support his anti-jewish agenda. Whether he believed in the religion or not is moot. The fact that it can even be used to denounce heathens should be enough to denounce the religion. People use it all the time to denounce heathens (maybe not murder them), but they surely use it to murder their spirit. There's no defense for the religion Yes I would agree with Abra's assessment. If the modern day Christians on this forum want to dispute exactly what Hitler's personal beliefs or understanding of Christianity and the bible was, go right ahead. That is a moot point in the wake of 11 million dead people (dont start arguing the numbers now) The point here is that Christianity was used as a vehicle of destruction as it has been utilized often throughout history to justify the mass torture, imprisonment and murder of humans. Im sure its done other good things but this thread is not addressing that. It is addressing misinformation that is being espoused as fact by individuals. |
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Abracadabra said: I never claimed that Hitler was a Christian.
All I said is that Hilter used Christianity in his speeches to convince the public. I know those are fact, I could go look it up again, but it's readly available information. Look it up yourself. I said at the onset that Hitler's personal beliefs are moot. That doesn't change the fact that he used Christianity to support his goals. The mere fact that the religion can be used to convince people to murder heathens should be disgusting enough. Chirsitianity has a history of being used to murder heathens. 1. The Crusades (who can deny that?) 2. The witch burnings (who can deny that?) 3. The mass murdering of the Cathers ordered by the Pope. (look it up!) I think Krimsa has clearly showed that Hitler at least used Christianity to support his anti-jewish agenda. Whether he believed in the religion or not is moot. The fact that it can even be used to denounce heathens should be enough to denounce the religion. People use it all the time to denounce heathens (maybe not murder them), but they surely use it to murder their spirit. There's no defense for the religion Yes I would agree with Abra's assessment. If the modern day Christians on this forum want to dispute exactly what Hitler's personal beliefs or understanding of Christianity and the bible was, go right ahead. That is a moot point in the wake of 11 million dead people (dont start arguing the numbers now) The point here is that Christianity was used as a vehicle of destruction as it has been utilized often throughout history to justify the mass torture, imprisonment and murder of humans. Im sure its done other good things but this thread is not addressing that. It is addressing misinformation that is being espoused as fact by individuals.  Well said Krimsa
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Wed 12/17/08 04:38 AM
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Christians were fed to the lions...
while being put on public display in great arenas...as sport. Destruction and evil there too. Without God.... |
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Christians were fed to the lions... while being put on public display in great arenas...as sport. Destruction and evil there too. Without God.... Then you should have known better by all accounts... |
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I am so through on this topic.You have been debunked,out smarted,and proven wrong so many times that they only people that want to debate this with you is myself and I am through with you.There is two people on this planet that believe Hitler is a Christian.You and Abra.I don't think it would matter if I had a picture of Hitler throwing the pope in a fire.You would still deny it.We all know Hitler was only interested in his master race and his mater plan which didn't involve churches second guessing his orders nor did it involve churches having their own laws in his country in his governement.Your posts are nothing more than conspiracy theories and he said she said.You seem to have a serious problem admitting facts and denying truth. There needs to be two rooms in General religion chat. 1.)Topics that are backed up with facts. 2.)Conspiracy theories with lies and half truths. You would fit in the later.You are not interested in having a debate unless you are always right.I would rather debate with my dog then with you. I never claimed that Hitler was a Christian. All I said is that Hilter used Christianity in his speeches to convince the public. I know those are fact, I could go look it up again, but it's readly available information. Look it up yourself. I said at the onset that Hitler's personal beliefs are moot. That doesn't change the fact that he used Christianity to support his goals. The mere fact that the religion can be used to convince people to murder heathens should be disgusting enough. The key word is "used". There are other facts about him also. I believe you are aware of. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Wed 12/17/08 05:18 AM
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Yes he used it as the Catholics of Spain used the Inquisition. As the Christians of the late 1600s used it to justify the torture of women as Witches. What point are you trying to make here and I dont understand the rest of your statment at all. You will need to be a little less cryptic than that. I am not a mind reader.
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Gott Mit Uns (God With Us) Nazi Buckle |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Wed 12/17/08 05:39 AM
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Krimsa....the point is....
the whole of Christianity is not at fault, just because of someone misusing it.
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Wed 12/17/08 05:45 AM
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Krimsa....the point is.... the whole of Christianity is not at fault, just because of someone misusing it.
Im not sure who ever said that. Hitler was a Catholic. He used Christianity and his Catholic beliefs in order to further his agenda and most historians will agree that he could have never risen to power and accomplished what he did without both the assistance of the Catholic and Protestant church. The Catholic churches and the Protestant churches were in fact employed to help the Nazies round up forced laborers from all over Europe to be shipped to Germany. I hear a lot of attempts being made at dodging blame and that is what is beginning to tick me off in the face of all of this blatant evidence. |
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Hitler was clever and cunning....
and able to decieve many...and many influenced by him , found out too late what he was all about. (probably had severe NPD ). Christianity is NOT about what Hitler believes. He twisted scripture for his sick gain. Nuff said.
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Wed 12/17/08 05:57 AM
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As I stated, Hitler's personal interpretation of Christianity or the bible is irrelevant in the wake of 11 million dead. Try explaining that to the Israeli government. The point being is that the Christian civilian population living in 1920s Germany embraced him due to his beliefs.
Nuff said. |
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