Of course not. As long as you admit the limitations of your understanding, I have no problem with that. It’s when someone (not addressing you personally) comes across as if they are right and everyone else is wrong that the red flags go up. You are crossing that line right now.

I don't.

You did when you answered by question with "Yes" when I asked you if a person had to be either a victim or a perpetrator.

I don't think these are the only two choices. That is not what I was meaning.



Both perpetrator and victim are rolls we play. There is another roll people play, and that is the roll of the hero or savior.

Everyone plays these rolls all the time. One day you are the perp and then the next day you could be the victim and the next day you could be the rescuer or hero.

Its all part of the game and the part of the adventure.

And you believe you are right so you have also crossed the line.

I tell the truth about what I believe. I believe I am right. End of story. Its all just opinion and belief anyway. Until someone proves that I am wrong or until I discover that I am wrong, (which has happened to me in the past a lot, and caused me to change my core belief system) I will continue to believe I am right, and speak as if I am right. I'm sorry if people think I am "crossing the line" but I am just being honest about what I believe. To be any less would be patronizing.

I don’t believe I am right. That is you projecting your own insecurity onto me simply because I have broached questions that you have been unable to answer.

I have clearly stated that none of this can be proven so we should all be entitled to state our own opinions. It is you who feel the need to counter every comment that either I or Abra make.

You come across as patronizing by doing just that.

Jeannie,

of course you are right for yourself, just not for us others because we have a hard time getting our head around certain things. And in that we are right, too, for ourselves.
You cannot convince me of your beliefs, but you still sound like you are trying, and trust me, that won't work.

That is what I am doing. Stating my own opinion. So what is your problem?




I have told you that you don't have to agree with my opinion. You have made it clear that you don't.

I am not "countering" your comments, I am answering your QUESTIONS the best way I can.

If you don't like the answers I can't help that. If you feel I am countering you by attempting to answer your questions then why do you ask them? Questions are no proof of anything.

If you want to convince me of anything then tell me what randomness is exactly and tell me how it works and what causes it.

If you want to convince me that accidents are random and have no cause, and that circumstances are random and have no cause then explain to me why you think that other than the fact that you don't know why bad things happen to unsuspecting innocent people, and that nothing is fair, and there is no justice.

Then tell me how that belief serves and comforts you, because it just tells me that there is no order, there is no justice, there is no law, there is no cause or reason for anything and we have no control over ourselves, our lives, or our reality.

I don't find any comfort or reason in that line of thinking.


p.s.

In fact, I find that kind of thinking to be negative and devoid of hope and free will. The law either works or it does not. I don't see how you can have it both ways.

Yes I have and I have also repeatedly shown the obvious errors in your logic.



You have not answered one of my questions. In fact you have admitted on several occasions now that you cannot answer them. I have no problem with that. In which case the best course for you would be to allow me to speak freely and state my opinion on the Law of Attraction and how it manifests itself because you have already admitted your inability to address these issues.

I have the right to ask as many questions as I like but I am not asking them of you. I am posting them in a thread to hear the opinion of anyone.

Its not that I "don’t like your answers." it’s that they are clearly deficient as they relate to the inquires I have put forth so you do not need to address me any further.

You have had the mathematical and scientific definitions of random occurrence and statistical deviations explained to you about 15 times now.

I dont require "comfort". That's your bag JB.

You have shown me no errors in my logic at all.

All you have done is pose pure hypothetical and emotionally charged situations and questions where you can't understand cause of such injustice.





I responded to them. I have never claimed to have all the "answers."




I have never disallowed you from speaking freely. I don't have that kind of power.

Well I am glad you made that clear. I still responded to them the best I know how. Since there is no one else who seems to hold the same view as I do, I don't know who else you are posting them for except to see how many people will rally to your side and agree with you.




By "deficient" you only mean that you don't agree with my opinion. That's always okay with me. You still have not shown me any specific error in my logic.



I am looking for something a little more in layman's terms. I have never been good in math. So, no I haven't seen any explaination of what randomness is or what the cause of it is.

And if there is a cause of randomness, then it is not random at all. It has cause.

Abra and I have both shown errors in your logic. Your insistence that you have a better understanding of this concept than us is simply tedious at this point. Answer one question I have posed. I have told you I am no longer interested in your responses and would prefer to hear from others at this point. Your explanations are deficient in my opinion, nor do they demonstrate any scientific basis or cognitive organization. If someone else is interested, than you can speak directly to them.

So just because I admit that I am not all knowing and unable to answer a hyped up emotional fictional hypothetical question posed, you think that shows an error in my logic?

That is an error in your logic, not mine.

All we have to work with here is hypothetical scenarios, yet they do occur on a daily basis. Yes, we have clearly demonstrated a stronger argument in my opinion. As I said, if anyone else wants to talk to you, go right ahead. I am moving on. Please refrain from reprisals.

Jeannie, your assumption seems to be that we simply don't understand your philosophy.

I'm quite confident that I understand what you are saying. You're trying to say that we are responsible for everything that happens to us.

That's easy enough to understand.

My argument is quite simple.

I believe that in order for that to be true I would also need to believe in solipsism.

Since I don't believe in solipsism I believe that 'other people' can indeed be the cause of things that happen to me. The very simple explaination being that I share the world with other people.

I've already explained this.

You refuse to accept solipsism is a requirement for your philosophy.

You are 'uncomfortble' with solipsism yet you need the total control over your own life that only solipsism can offer.

You want to have your cake and eat it too.

You want the total sovereignty that only solipsism can offer but you don't want the solipsism itself.

Fine.

I say you've got a real problem then.

But don't claim that other people don't understand it just because they don't accept it.

I think I understand perfectly.

Abra said:



I believe that too.

BUT you are responsible for attracting these 'other people' into your experience.

Like vibrations attract like vibrations.

You attracted them, and they are the uncertainty principle in your reality. They create the randomness and uncertainty in your experience because of their free will.

(I wish I understood anything perfectly.)

I don't understand how my computer works either.

Those things are way too complex and complicated for me to know or understand how they work. I really don't need to know how they work.

I just need to know how to use it.

Like my computer. I don't really care how the law of attraction works. I just need to know how to use it. I have a general idea how it works, but not so much into the details of the bits and bites.

That we are 100% responsible for everything that happens to us (or not) is not even all that important in understanding how to use the law of attraction to your advantage.

However, it is helpful to know how you might be attracting the things you don't want, and that is the reason I brought it up at all.

If you knew that your not-so-feel-good thoughts were creating resistance to the thing you are trying to attract and were more aware of them, you would be more successful in using this law of attraction.

So to worry about what causes randomness or accidents or bad weather, or bad things to happen to anyone is not my primary focus or even my point.

Some things are so complex that nobody could ever understand it perfectly. That is true for the law of attraction.

No one knows the scope of the pattern that is drawn, not even a hypothetical all knowing God.

I actually agree with you to a point.

I do believe that this is precisely how the law of attraction works in principle 99% of the time.

In normal social situations this is what's going on.

I with you 100% there.

However, when there is a sicko rapist hiding in the bushes waiting to pounce in the first easy victim that walks by I don't think he's worry about whether or not his victim's vibrations match his intent.

He has chosen to ignore the law of attraction and go against the vibrations of the unviverse.

You'll never convince me that all victims of crime are in harmony with the emotional vibrations of their attackers.

I think you're just taking the basic idea and then demanding that it must be true for everything that happens.

That's where we part ways.

You said before,



Well I do see how it can work both ways.

I think the law of attraction can be used to attract things.

But I don't believe that we necessary attract everything to us.

I don't see why it has to be all or nothing.

Almost every law of the universe has exceptions.

Even gravity.

You can 'jump' up and defy gravity for a fleeting time. Sure you'll get yanked back down, but none the less you beat the law for a brief moment.

Well, that's how I view the rapist. He's momentarily violating the law of attraction when he attacks unsuspecting victims.

Sure, he'll get yanked back down too!

But that doesn't change the fact that he cheated the law.

He attacked a victim who was not in vibrational harmony with his intent!

In fact, this is precisely what drives a lot of rapists and serial killers to do what they do!

They love to see the horror on the faces of their victims, because their victims are totally OUT-OF-SYNC with the vibrations of their intent!

Yes, I absolutely believe they are violating the law of attraction.

Just like you can violate the law of gravity momentarily by jumping up in the air. You'll get yanked back down, but you still got away with your momentary "jump".

That's what rapists do. They violate the law of attraction by purposefully preying on victims who are not in vibrational synchonicity with them.

That's what they do.

If they could find 'victims' who were in vibrational harmony with their intent then they wouldn't be rapists at all, they'd be consensual partners in make-pretend rape scenes.

On that I will agree 100%

Would you please pass the mashed potatoes?

Funny Story

I trip over my own shoes to fall ontop of my computer desk. With my weight I managed to fall straight to the floor having everything that was on the table fall with me. What a mess. When this happened a picture frame fell from the wall on top of me. I had the Mona Lisa frowning at me at the process. Today I bought a new desk. A bit sturdier I must add incase I so happen to collide and make close contact again.

My question

Does anybody have any knowledge about the Laws of Gravity

The Law of Gravity is 100% responsible for every trip you take.

However, if you fall in love don't blame that on Gravity! The Law of Attraction was definitely the culprit there!

You are a clutz smiless, geez.