I learned about it in Brownies.

Thats why I was kind of surprised to hear it referred to as the "Law of Attraction" in all honesty.

Yes, but all of these different philosophies are definitely not in agreement with your interpretation that you are responsible for attracting 100% of what happens to you.

I know that this isn't true for the law of karma in most Eastern Philosophies.

They don't believe that you are responsible for everything that happens to you. They merely believe that you are responsible for how you interact with whatever comes your way.

You can indeed act it a manner to make it worse. But in no way do they teach that you drew all this stuff to you initially.

I've heard many gurus teaching it like sailing a ship. You are the captain of the ship. It's up to you to deal with navigating it and controlling it.

If a storm comes up, it's up to you to batten down the hatches and lower the sails to 'storm-sail' condition.

But no where do they claim that you were the one who brought the storm upon yourself.

That's just not my understanding of Eastern Mysticism at all.

So clearly we have two different understanding of the same philosophy.

I simply disagree with your understanding of it, and I also disagree with any author who holds that we are responsible for attracting the storms in life.

That's just not what Eastern Mysticism is saying, IMHO.

Yes, you CAN cause a storm!

But that's not at all the same thing as demanding that you are the cause of every storm you encounter.

That's just not what Eastern Mysticism is saying as far as I'm concerned.

So we just have a basic difference of opinion in the whole idea of karma, etc.

I hold that you views are just that, you own personal understanding of it, (or maybe even the understanding of some authors you've read), but it's certainly not the way all teachers of this philosophy teach it.

That I know for sure.

I don't know who came up with that title first, but I started calling it that after reading the book of the same name.

Well its been used for a very long time I just had never heard it myself yet the fundamental principles were almost identical. I think the actual new thought movement where it was dubbed that was like in the early 1900s. Thats just the point in time that someone slapped a label on it.

Well, it's truly not unlike the dogmatic religions or any other manmade philosophy.

There are always teachers who hold slightly different views.

Nothing is carved in stone.

Let's face it, it's all guessing anyway.

Abra's going to start arguing again. Just kidding.

Well, if the Law of Attraction is so vague that it is just being recognized as something that all of the philosophies she's listed hold in common, then how can it also be said to be so specific as to make precise statement of it's own?

In fact, what she has just pointed out was my original understanding of the "Law of Attraction".

It's just a recognition that a lot of ancient philosophys have a common thread.

Nothing more, nothing less.

If anything I understood it as precisely that abstraction.

I was comfortable with it up until she started to make specific claims about it.

Now I'm afraid to use the term because it sounds like it's something different from what I had originally thought.

That's why I'm so concerned about it.

Edited to add:

Let me put it this way.

I used to support and agree with the ideas that I believed to be associated with the "Law of Attraction".

But now I'm not so sure anymore.

I definitely won't support the idea that everyone attracts 100% of everything that happens to them.

People have hang-ups with certain buzz words. The things I mentioned all have the same basic principles at work.

People have known and talked about different aspects of these mental and creative techniques for years trying them one way and then the other, trying to find the perfect formula...knowing that there is a perfect formula.

I think the perfect formula has been found and has been defined and explained by a few people so that it is workable if you follow that formula, but if you are just taking a stab at part of the formula you can fail because you may have missed some important ingredient or put your affirmations or visual pictures together the wrong way, a way that creates resistance.

The law of attraction is not vague. It is very specific. People have been using vague techniques for many years in an attempt to get it right.

If you decide to feel "uncomfortable" with my claims that is your decision. The law either works or it does not. If I did not have faith in its integrity and consistency I would not be so enthusiastic about it.

But to get your feathers ruffled because you don't like my 'take' on it will only be detrimental to you. It will be no skin off my nose.

Don't cheat yourself of this occult knowledge and overlook it because you don't like my point of view on it. It is powerful stuff.

I think owl just do it this way and be done with it:

It is my understanding that the "Law of Attraction" is the modern recognition that a lot of ancient religions and philosophies have common threads. My advice is to look into those ancient religions and philosophies and find the threads that work for you

How's that?

I dont either. You can also still accept just about every other aspect of he Law of Attraction except for this one premise. I still feel there is a certain degree of random occurrence in the world. Thats what I meant about infants being born with birth defects or else when a Tsunami hits a small island and kills everyone living there. Did all of those people somehow attract that bad weather? Do humans have jurisdiction and control over weather patterns and natural disasters via their collective conscious? Nope. Im just not convinced of that..

Well, you seem to be equally "uncomfortble" with my interpretation.

I'm not the slighest bit worried about being 'comfortable'.


My only concern on a public forum is whether to give support to a particular idea.

But I already covered that with the stance I decided to take in a pervious post.

I'll just hold to that stance and I'm happy.

That is advice I would not take. Ancient religions are obsolete as far as I am concerned. They are full of a lot of untruths and unnecessary ritual and dogma. To find the correct formula in all that endless dogma would take way too long. I have found bits and pieces of it in many different works after having spend years studying and reading a bunch of stuff that just confused the issue and wasted my time.

I prefer a more direct modern approach that eliminates all the crap.

Humans? I doubt that they can control the weather with their minds just yet. They are not evolved enough for that kind of manipulation.

But we are spiritual beings having a human experience.

Part of that human experience is to experience life in a limited reality as human who experiences LIFE AND DEATH.

Its part of the program. So shake your fist and curse God and the law of attraction because you don't live in a perfect world or have total power to control it....yet.

That is what you are here to learn. One day you will live in a reality where you can just think it and it will happen, or appear out of thin air. But we aren't there yet. And thank God for that. People's thoughts are not good enough to have that kind of power. That would be like giving a loaded gun to a toddler.

One can always take my approach on what the laws of attraction means

To attract the laws of attraction, one must understand that there is no definite law for the attractions to attract. One attracts whatever they choose for the laws of attractions to make attraction look good.
So attract today "attraction" for attracting is a healthy bases for attraction in a profound way to stay balanced.

May you stay attractively attractive with the attractions of many days to remain attracted to this thread called the laws of attraction.


or maybe not Just follow your "Bliss" and enjoy the time given to you.


I wish you all a great times on the thread. Thank you for allowing me to be part of "the other" thread the last few days. I will retire to better things and shift back to the Buddhist thread studying with those who have common interests on the subject. There are not many of those I may add, but nevertheless a couple are arriving.

May your minds find peace and harmony at all times

Isnt that what you are doing though? By saying that we attract all of our circumstances? I am saying no, we dont do that at tall.

I'm not concerned with what advice you might take or not take.

I'm concerned with what advice I'm willing to give to others.

I'm not about to direct anyone to a philosophy that will tell them that they were responsible for their abuse as a child, or as a spouse, or for having been raped, or any other such nonsense.

I don't believe in laying unnecessary guilt trips on people. I've already pitched one religion that did enough of that crap.

No of course not. I am accepting responsibility, for my personal reality, I am not cursing God or the law of attraction.

The law of attraction is just a law. That would be like cursing the law of gravity because I jumped off of a cliff and broke my legs. That would be stupid. Knowing about the law of gravity, I am responsible for my legs getting broke if I jumped off of the cliff.

Apparently you are as you asked:


"How's that?"

I was simply giving you the opinion that you asked for.

But I agree that everyone should find what works best for them and go for it.

I think you just have a gross misunderstanding Jeannie.

You think that if something isn't your fault then you have the right to shake your fist at someone else for the blame.

This is all about blame for you.

But I know I don't see it that way, and based on what Krimsa has been posting I don't think she looks at it that way either.

Just because you aren't responsible for something doesn't automatically mean that you have to blame someone else (like God, or whomever).

This is where we seriously part views.

You're hung up on some need to lay blame. But there's no blame to lay.

It's not about laying blame.

In fact, what you are actually attempting to do is lay the blame on the victim!

You talk about them being "unwilling" to take responsiblity, or "uncomfortable" with the idea that they are to blame.

But that's just another blame game.

I don't go there at all.

There is NO ONE to blame!

That where you want to be Jeannie.

No blame at all.

Sh!t happens.

Accept it and move on.

That's a workable philosophy.

You can't move past the idea that someone needs to be blamed even if it's the victim.

I would just say get past that and move forward.