Topic: The Laws of Attraction
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Wed 12/10/08 07:57 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 12/10/08 08:03 PM


Here is the key question for me: What do the incoming vibrations (the ones we get back) have that the outgoing vibrations (the ones we send out) do not?




The outgoing vibrations are the asking, they are the thoughts; and the incoming vibrations are the thing or the manifestation itself that has come to fruition in physical form.

We ask for a thing by thinking about it, focusing on it, looking at it, visualizing it, talking about it, and otherwise placing our attention on it.

Those are the vibrations we send out that creates it or requests it.

So consider it created or ordered. (But you don't have it yet because you have to match those vibrations in order to receive it.)

Now place your order...

You place your order by intending to get it and intending to have it. Then you further match its vibrations for believing that it is yours. You anticipate it with excitement because you know it is on its way towards you.

You KNOW you will have it. You intend to have it. (You don't just hope or pretend.") You have no doubt that by some means it will be yours, because you have decided. You have intended.

You don't say or think: "If it gets here.." You say and think "When it gets here.." You make sure you are prepared for it. You have a place for it, and you know what you will do with it. You expect it.

Without resistance, it has to arrive.
If it does not arrive, then the resistance you have put up against its arrival is stronger than your asking and your intention.







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Wed 12/10/08 08:09 PM
I see now! You have to shift the mind knowing you already have it. I am slowly getting the idea of this. Good stuff:smile:

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Wed 12/10/08 08:46 PM

I see now! You have to shift the mind knowing you already have it. I am slowly getting the idea of this. Good stuff:smile:


I hope you realize that intention means that you intend to take action to get the thing you want.

Sometimes this simply means taking advantage of a job offer in order to earn the money to buy it.

Sometimes it means that you bump into a guy who has one and he is willing to trade you something for it.

Intention means that you are NOT just waiting for the Universe to bring it to you, it means that you are working WITH THE UNIVERSE to get what you want.

You may be the one who gets it... with the help of the Universe, or you may be surprised that you find exactly what you want by what seems like extraordinary circumstances.

That means you were attracted to it or it to you.


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Wed 12/10/08 08:49 PM


I see now! You have to shift the mind knowing you already have it. I am slowly getting the idea of this. Good stuff:smile:


I hope you realize that intention means that you intend to take action to get the thing you want.

Sometimes this simply means taking advantage of a job offer in order to earn the money to buy it.

Sometimes it means that you bump into a guy who has one and he is willing to trade you something for it.

Intention means that you are NOT just waiting for the Universe to bring it to you, it means that you are working WITH THE UNIVERSE to get what you want.

You may be the one who gets it... with the help of the Universe, or you may be surprised that you find exactly what you want by what seems like extraordinary circumstances.

That means you were attracted to it or it to you.




Yes I understand now that one works with the universe and not waits for things to happen. Makes alot of sense.

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Wed 12/10/08 11:09 PM
Edited by SkyHook5652 on Wed 12/10/08 11:10 PM
Here is the key question for me: What do the incoming vibrations (the ones we get back) have that the outgoing vibrations (the ones we send out) do not?

The outgoing vibrations are the asking, they are the thoughts; and the incoming vibrations are the thing or the manifestation itself that has come to fruition in physical form.

We ask for a thing by thinking about it, focusing on it, looking at it, visualizing it, talking about it, and otherwise placing our attention on it.

Those are the vibrations we send out that creates it or requests it.

So consider it created or ordered. (But you don't have it yet because you have to match those vibrations in order to receive it.)

Now place your order...

You place your order by intending to get it and intending to have it. Then you further match its vibrations for believing that it is yours. You anticipate it with excitement because you know it is on its way towards you.

You KNOW you will have it. You intend to have it. (You don't just hope or pretend.") You have no doubt that by some means it will be yours, because you have decided. You have intended.

You don't say or think: "If it gets here.." You say and think "When it gets here.." You make sure you are prepared for it. You have a place for it, and you know what you will do with it. You expect it.

Without resistance, it has to arrive.
If it does not arrive, then the resistance you have put up against its arrival is stronger than your asking and your intention.


Ok, I think I’m making progress here. Just don’t skip too far ahead in your explanation until I’ve got a good grasp of everthing that needs to be understood before.

So here’s what I got so far:

- There are two different types of vibrations: the “outgoing” type and the “incoming” type.
- We create the “outgoing” type but cannot create the “incoming” type
- The Universe creates the “incoming” type

Is that right so far?

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Wed 12/10/08 11:15 PM
Huge HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM here... ohwell

Perhaps someone...anyone has been investigating and/or dabbling in the Abraham/Hicks theories, or per-chance been googling/youtubing a bit for their supposed knowledge of said topic. laugh

When the OP is ready to come back and be HONEST that he/she is actually "curious" about this concept vs. spewing supposed acquired knowledge of such...then I WILL post accordingly...

Until then...Tweedle dee...

:banana:

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Wed 12/10/08 11:33 PM

Huge HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM here... ohwell

Perhaps someone...anyone has been investigating and/or dabbling in the Abraham/Hicks theories, or per-chance been googling/youtubing a bit for their supposed knowledge of said topic. laugh

When the OP is ready to come back and be HONEST that he/she is actually "curious" about this concept vs. spewing supposed acquired knowledge of such...then I WILL post accordingly...

Until then...Tweedle dee...

:banana:


From what I can see, the Author of this thread (Smiless) never claimed to be an expert.

He simply asked:

"What are your thoughts on the Laws of Attraction and how has it affected you? What are your methods of achieving this state of happiness?"


This certainly sounds more like question than a statement of expertise to me.

So do you have anything to offer SilverJoy?

We'd all like to hear your understanding of the Law of Attraction I'm sure.


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Wed 12/10/08 11:37 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 12/10/08 11:38 PM

Huge HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM here... ohwell

Perhaps someone...anyone has been investigating and/or dabbling in the Abraham/Hicks theories, or per-chance been googling/youtubing a bit for their supposed knowledge of said topic. laugh

When the OP is ready to come back and be HONEST that he/she is actually "curious" about this concept vs. spewing supposed acquired knowledge of such...then I WILL post accordingly...

Until then...Tweedle dee...

:banana:


By all means if you are an expert on the subject we would appreciate any input.

I think very highly of the Abraham/Hicks books but they are not the only books about the law of attraction.


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Wed 12/10/08 11:43 PM
Hello Skyhook. I hope you are having a great day.

You write: Here is the key question for me: What do the incoming vibrations (the ones we get back) have that the outgoing vibrations (the ones we send out) do not?

Just a thought to the question:

And maybe it sounds ridiculous, but it is worth a try.

Maybe the vibrations we send out are not very strong (meaning weak singles = low energy), but just enough to catch a strong vibration to return to us to create positive results.

Does that make sense? I am saying if the laws of attraction - how mystery it may seem - that has no definite answer is explained in such a way that we are only capable of extracting positive thoughts in a weak vibration to the universe (or wherever it goes) to be able to receive a stronger more positive vibration back to accomplish all those things we want.

What do you think?


I'm still trying to get a handle on the vibrations themselves. (The incoming ones, not the outgoing ones.)

The way I understand vibration is that there is a thing that moves. This movemnet causes the things next to it to move, which in turn cause the things next to them to move, etc. Thus, for there to be a vibration, there must be a source of that vibration (a thing that is vibrating)and a cause of it's vibration (a thing that makes it vibrate). So what I'm trying to find out is the cause and source of the incoming vibrations: what is it that is vibrating and what made it vibrate?

Actually, I should be asking this of Jeannie, since she's the expert on it.


So ... Jeannie? You reading this? :smile:

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Wed 12/10/08 11:51 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 12/10/08 11:55 PM

Here is the key question for me: What do the incoming vibrations (the ones we get back) have that the outgoing vibrations (the ones we send out) do not?

The outgoing vibrations are the asking, they are the thoughts; and the incoming vibrations are the thing or the manifestation itself that has come to fruition in physical form.

We ask for a thing by thinking about it, focusing on it, looking at it, visualizing it, talking about it, and otherwise placing our attention on it.

Those are the vibrations we send out that creates it or requests it.

So consider it created or ordered. (But you don't have it yet because you have to match those vibrations in order to receive it.)

Now place your order...

You place your order by intending to get it and intending to have it. Then you further match its vibrations for believing that it is yours. You anticipate it with excitement because you know it is on its way towards you.

You KNOW you will have it. You intend to have it. (You don't just hope or pretend.") You have no doubt that by some means it will be yours, because you have decided. You have intended.

You don't say or think: "If it gets here.." You say and think "When it gets here.." You make sure you are prepared for it. You have a place for it, and you know what you will do with it. You expect it.

Without resistance, it has to arrive.
If it does not arrive, then the resistance you have put up against its arrival is stronger than your asking and your intention.


Ok, I think I’m making progress here. Just don’t skip too far ahead in your explanation until I’ve got a good grasp of everthing that needs to be understood before.

So here’s what I got so far:

- There are two different types of vibrations: the “outgoing” type and the “incoming” type.
- We create the “outgoing” type but cannot create the “incoming” type
- The Universe creates the “incoming” type

Is that right so far?




*All vibrations are generated (sent or outgoing) or they are incoming to the sender.

I don't know if I would call them two different "types" of vibrations. They are simply vibrations sent and received. Everything that exists vibrates with a unique frequency.

You give off vibrations, they are outgoing from you. You don't vibrate for anyone else, so no, you don't create incoming vibrations.

Incoming vibrations come from everywhere else.

(You can call it "The Universe" if you want.)

If we hope to understand much about the physical workings of the universe, then, we need to have some idea about the way that waves and vibrations work. The details of wave motion vary, but many of the principles are universal.







Here at the URL below is a really cool wave generating machine: (Not that it is related to the question.)

http://oolong.co.uk/resonata.htm



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Wed 12/10/08 11:58 PM
Actually, I should be asking this of Jeannie, since she's the expert on it.


laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

I'm no expert on anything except painting pictures. I just have a strong interest in this subject.

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Thu 12/11/08 12:00 AM
Yes, I actually have much to add to this topic...much more than can be posted in just one idle post, but I shall try.

First and formost, I was not attacking the OP...as it only seemed he was zealous in googling and cutting/pasting things he found on the internet about the topic vs. truly researching within HIMSELF and available tools to truly learn about the topic.

To simply spew the truth about law of attraction...devoid of any written or youtube/googled BS is this: LIKE attacts LIKE, as well as OPPOSITES ATTRACT!

How can this be, you ask? *giggles*

SIMPLE: YING/YANG!!! :wink:

Everything possesses energy...EVERYTHING!

When one is in a ying force...it attracts ying generally, and vice versa. Often times, we need to balance our energy with an opposite force...ying/yang...yang/yin...to make us feel "balanced".

If one questions this "law", simply study nature's seasons we are blessed with each year.

Please, tell me...that each and every person here cannot shout out the favorite/least favorite season and why this is so?

We ALL have an internal rhythm. Tapping into that true rhythm is quite the challenge...

But, I can guarantee you this...it will not be found by "google" or "youtube"...or even those posting randomly on "Mingle"...like myself. flowerforyou


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Thu 12/11/08 12:06 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 12/11/08 12:17 AM
I'm still trying to get a handle on the vibrations themselves. (The incoming ones, not the outgoing ones.)

The way I understand vibration is that there is a thing that moves. This movement causes the things next to it to move, which in turn cause the things next to them to move, etc. Thus, for there to be a vibration, there must be a source of that vibration (a thing that is vibrating)and a cause of it's vibration (a thing that makes it vibrate). So what I'm trying to find out is the cause and source of the incoming vibrations: what is it that is vibrating and what made it vibrate?



Skyhook,

I think all things that exist vibrate. So there's your source.

Now I suppose you are going to ask me where everything came from and what makes it vibrate.

I don't know. I can only theorize. (Guess)



laugh laugh laugh laugh :tongue: :tongue:


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Thu 12/11/08 12:09 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 12/11/08 12:14 AM

Yes, I actually have much to add to this topic...much more than can be posted in just one idle post, but I shall try.

First and formost, I was not attacking the OP...as it only seemed he was zealous in googling and cutting/pasting things he found on the internet about the topic vs. truly researching within HIMSELF and available tools to truly learn about the topic.

To simply spew the truth about law of attraction...devoid of any written or youtube/googled BS is this: LIKE attacts LIKE, as well as OPPOSITES ATTRACT!

How can this be, you ask? *giggles*

SIMPLE: YING/YANG!!! :wink:

Everything possesses energy...EVERYTHING!

When one is in a ying force...it attracts ying generally, and vice versa. Often times, we need to balance our energy with an opposite force...ying/yang...yang/yin...to make us feel "balanced".

If one questions this "law", simply study nature's seasons we are blessed with each year.

Please, tell me...that each and every person here cannot shout out the favorite/least favorite season and why this is so?

We ALL have an internal rhythm. Tapping into that true rhythm is quite the challenge...

But, I can guarantee you this...it will not be found by "google" or "youtube"...or even those posting randomly on "Mingle"...like myself. flowerforyou




Thank you for your input Silverjoy.

Actually Smiles is simply very curious about the topic and I believe he was posting cut and paste things he found to further the conversation. He does not claim to be an expert he just wants to learn about it.




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Thu 12/11/08 12:46 AM
Edited by SkyHook5652 on Thu 12/11/08 01:42 AM
Here is the key question for me: What do the incoming vibrations (the ones we get back) have that the outgoing vibrations (the ones we send out) do not?

The outgoing vibrations are the asking, they are the thoughts; and the incoming vibrations are the thing or the manifestation itself that has come to fruition in physical form.

We ask for a thing by thinking about it, focusing on it, looking at it, visualizing it, talking about it, and otherwise placing our attention on it.

Those are the vibrations we send out that creates it or requests it.

So consider it created or ordered. (But you don't have it yet because you have to match those vibrations in order to receive it.)

Now place your order...

You place your order by intending to get it and intending to have it. Then you further match its vibrations for believing that it is yours. You anticipate it with excitement because you know it is on its way towards you.

You KNOW you will have it. You intend to have it. (You don't just hope or pretend.") You have no doubt that by some means it will be yours, because you have decided. You have intended.

You don't say or think: "If it gets here.." You say and think "When it gets here.." You make sure you are prepared for it. You have a place for it, and you know what you will do with it. You expect it.

Without resistance, it has to arrive.
If it does not arrive, then the resistance you have put up against its arrival is stronger than your asking and your intention.
Ok, I think I’m making progress here. Just don’t skip too far ahead in your explanation until I’ve got a good grasp of everthing that needs to be understood before.

So here’s what I got so far:

- There are two different types of vibrations: the “outgoing” type and the “incoming” type.
- We create the “outgoing” type but cannot create the “incoming” type
- The Universe creates the “incoming” type

Is that right so far?
*All vibrations are generated (sent or outgoing) or they are incoming to the sender.

I don't know if I would call them two different "types" of vibrations. They are simply vibrations sent and received. Everything that exists vibrates with a unique frequency.

You give off vibrations, they are outgoing from you. You don't vibrate for anyone else, so no, you don't create incoming vibrations.

Incoming vibrations come from everywhere else.

(You can call it "The Universe" if you want.)

If we hope to understand much about the physical workings of the universe, then, we need to have some idea about the way that waves and vibrations work. The details of wave motion vary, but many of the principles are universal.

What I'm still trying to reconcile is the idea of there being a requirement for a "sending" and a "receiving". Why not just a "creating".

This strikes me as being the exact same mechanism as prayer: we ask god to give us things. The only real difference being that with prayer, we ask once and that's it, whereas with LoA we keep asking and asking and asking continuously until we get it. (Or more accurately, we are always asking, and getting what we've asked for.)

In any case, if the process requires the sending/receiving cycle, then it can hardly justify the statement of "you create your own reality". Maybe "you ask for and get your own reality", because the reality is not actually created by you but is sent to you. But "you create your own reality" is a bit misleading for this mechanism.

See what I'm trying to get at?

flowerforyou

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Thu 12/11/08 01:25 AM
Edited by ganonzyther on Thu 12/11/08 01:25 AM


So here’s what I got so far:

- There are two different types of vibrations: the “outgoing” type and the “incoming” type.
- We create the “outgoing” type but cannot create the “incoming” type
- The Universe creates the “incoming” type

Is that right so far?




*All vibrations are generated (sent or outgoing) or they are incoming to the sender.

I don't know if I would call them two different "types" of vibrations. They are simply vibrations sent and received. Everything that exists vibrates with a unique frequency.

You give off vibrations, they are outgoing from you. You don't vibrate for anyone else, so no, you don't create incoming vibrations.

Incoming vibrations come from everywhere else.

(You can call it "The Universe" if you want.)

If we hope to understand much about the physical workings of the universe, then, we need to have some idea about the way that waves and vibrations work. The details of wave motion vary, but many of the principles are universal.


Ah, but by sending the outgoing waves, you are also creating the incoming waves. Because if not for you, they would not exist.

Which I know is like asking the smithy for some shoes for yer horse. Sure you didn't do the forging, but it wouldn't be if not for you. So technically, you've got as much to do with the forging, if not more.

Witches don't CREATE anything. They transform things. They are wizards of alchemy.

So witchcraft truly is quite a bit different from the Law of Attraction in many ways.


I disagree. I think that witches create moreso than attractionists. We tend to call upon things (elements, gods & goddesses, spirits...etc.) to imbue items with some form of potency. Thus we make things more than they are. A knife becomes an athame, a cup a chalice, a rock a gazing crystal.

Attracionists simply call things in existence to themselves.

A spell is just a more complex form of attraction. Rituals are unnecessary. They are, however, more powerful. Things not just of your will being implemented towards some common goal.


Science has no clue what energy is.

All science can tell you is how energy behaves.

Science can't tell you what a ball is either.

All it can tell you is how balls bounce.

Science doesn't explain what anything is. Science just sticks with explaining how things behave.

Period.

Some people will argue with this on a superfical level, claiming that science can indeed tell use what a ball is (i.e. it's made of rubber or whatever)

But that's truly superficial becasue in the end, science can't say what rubber is.


Well, if you believe in the theory of relativity, Energy = Mass x (Speed of Light)Squared.

Science can tell you either where an electron is, or where it's going. Not both at once.

And of course science can tell you what rubber is. It's some lengthy compound comprised of various elements that I'm too lazy to go cut and paste. Science can even tell you what a "ball" is, or what "rubber" is. Linguistics is a science too. What you're describing is pretty much just the physics aspect of science.

Unperiod.bigsmile

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Thu 12/11/08 01:48 AM
I disagree. I think that witches create moreso than attractionists. We tend to call upon things (elements, gods & goddesses, spirits...etc.) to imbue items with some form of potency. Thus we make things more than they are. A knife becomes an athame, a cup a chalice, a rock a gazing crystal.


I disagree. Calling a cup a chalice, a rock a gazing crystal or a knife an athame is not "creating" anything. It is simply giving it a different name or a different use.




Attracionists simply call things in existence to themselves.


I don't agree with that at all. I summon things I need to create other things of my own design. These are the creative techniques. A "spell" is simply one way of "asking" for a thing just as a "prayer" is. Its all the same thing, just different techniques involved.



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Thu 12/11/08 01:50 AM
Ah, but by sending the outgoing waves, you are also creating the incoming waves. Because if not for you, they would not exist.


How do you figure that unless you are a pantheist claiming to be one with the creator of all things?

Are you claiming that if not for you, I would not exist? If so then you are talking about solipsism.





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Thu 12/11/08 02:36 AM
Edited by ganonzyther on Thu 12/11/08 02:37 AM
Calling a cup a chalice, a rock a gazing crystal or a knife an athame is not "creating" anything. It is simply giving it a different name or a different use.


This is important because it works one way and not the other. Every athame is a knife. Not every knife is an athame. Every gazing crystal is a rock. Not every rock is a gazing crystial. So on and so forth.


Ah, but by sending the outgoing waves, you are also creating the incoming waves. Because if not for you, they would not exist.


How do you figure that unless you are a pantheist claiming to be one with the creator of all things?

Are you claiming that if not for you, I would not exist? If so then you are talking about solipsism.


I wasn't, but my mind is the only thing I for sure know to exist... but let's save that one for another time, because that is one ferocious can o' worms.

What I mean is, if you hadn't of asked the smithy for horseshoes, they never would have been made. Now, if we want to get all up on that statement, let me first say that I believe that my current thoughts can (not necessarily do) have a causative effect on the past.

Which would mean that if you called a chair to you, that chair was made for you. Even if it was manufactured before you were born. I'll probably regret these statements. Then I'll have to make my own post about how I see the entire workings of everything... and more importantly, no-thing.

::sooo lazy::

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Thu 12/11/08 01:52 PM

Calling a cup a chalice, a rock a gazing crystal or a knife an athame is not "creating" anything. It is simply giving it a different name or a different use.


This is important because it works one way and not the other. Every athame is a knife. Not every knife is an athame. Every gazing crystal is a rock. Not every rock is a gazing crystial. So on and so forth.


Ah, but by sending the outgoing waves, you are also creating the incoming waves. Because if not for you, they would not exist.


How do you figure that unless you are a pantheist claiming to be one with the creator of all things?

Are you claiming that if not for you, I would not exist? If so then you are talking about solipsism.


I wasn't, but my mind is the only thing I for sure know to exist... but let's save that one for another time, because that is one ferocious can o' worms.

What I mean is, if you hadn't of asked the smithy for horseshoes, they never would have been made. Now, if we want to get all up on that statement, let me first say that I believe that my current thoughts can (not necessarily do) have a causative effect on the past.

Which would mean that if you called a chair to you, that chair was made for you. Even if it was manufactured before you were born. I'll probably regret these statements. Then I'll have to make my own post about how I see the entire workings of everything... and more importantly, no-thing.

::sooo lazy::



I wasn't, but my mind is the only thing I for sure know to exist... but let's save that one for another time, because that is one ferocious can o' worms.



That is what I have always declared, but I don't call it "my mind."

I call it Me.

The only thing for certain I know is that I exist.
Everything else is just opinion.

So that is not such a strange can o' worms for me.

It is also not solipsism. (I have been accused of being a solipsist now and then.)

But my statement is simply the most honest one I can make when I tell people what I know.

The only thing I know is that I exist.

I suspect and believe others exist but I am not so certain that are not just another part of me. But I believe individualism is born from experiential points of view and perhaps not brought home to the whole until... when ever they decide to do so.