Abra and Krimsa,

You have made your opinions known and I'm alright with that.

I really don't want to argue the point any more as some of the exchanges between us are creating bad feelings. You keep telling me to drop it and stop arguing and then you keep asking questions. I don't have all of the answers and even if I did, you are not going to align yourself with them anyway.

If you have an explanation for why people are born with defects and why bad things happen to good people I would love to hear what you think and why you think it.

So what is your answer to these same questions you are asking?

Ten healthy nice, positive women have a baby. One is born with birth defects. What happened?

Perhaps her husband had been taking a harmful drug, perhaps she had. Maybe it was an inherited trait passed on in the genes. There can be many other reasons to satisfy people who do not buy the idea that we create or attract our experiences.

What do you think?

Agreed. That we can see eye to eye on at least.



This idea I would also agree with and its based in part from my own personal observations of live births in a hospital setting. I believe the "souls" kick in but not right away. There is a "window" period or whatever you want to call it where it enters and kind of "jump starts"



Yeah.



Well this is where you seem to get hung up on the essential details. Obviously there is a certain criteria for a healthy birth and a not so healthy birth and a physical deformity or a congenital ailment or something that is either compromised in one respect or another right then and there or something that might develop later.

I just dont see how anything can "attract" that and if the infant is actually suffering from some form of physical birth defect at delivery, well then the actual point that it developed was in the mother's womb.

The Law of Attraction states, that you too, can has cheezburger.

This is for Abra.

I'm sincerely sorry if there have been bad feelings. I assure you that there are no bad feelings at this end.

I speak to the issues that you suggest are part of the philosophy of the Law of Attraction.

My objections are then with that philosophy. Certainly not with you personally.

When I say that I think these concepts are unreasonsble, I'm speaking to the philosophy (if it does indeed hold these concepts).

I'm fully aware that you are not the founder of the philosophy of the Law of Attraction.

So my objections to it were never meant to be personally aimed at you Jeannie.

There is no "founder" of the law of attraction. Its not a religion or a philosophy. People have been writing about this for hundreds of years. These things are even mentioned in the Bible although it is not called "The law of attraction" or "The secret" or what ever people are calling it today.

I don't agree with the premise that the "Law of Attraction" is a "philosophy." That is a premise you are assuming, not me. I realize some people might think of it this way but I don't. For me that would be like saying that the law of gravity is a "philosophy." I still am convinced that it is a law of cause and effect..... A LAW that works.

Neither is it a religion for me that I have been accused of "preaching." (By you and others) And neither do I think I am the "final authority" on it as Krimsa has said. For me, it is technology and science.

It is simply something that I discovered and have been following for over ten years, long before the Abraham/Hicks books really made the techniques very clear. I have found it to be an amazing, wonderful and empowering bit of knowledge, and I sincerely do like sharing it with my friends.

Most people who know me say that I am generous to a fault in my daily life, doing and giving away things to people if they need something. That is just who I am. People are the most important thing in this reality. Everything else is illusion. It is only people who are real.

I sometimes forget that they are on their own unique journey and it is not the same as mine and that they probably are not interested or excited about the same things I am.

So I apologize if I seem to be preaching or pushing my ideas on others. I tend to do that too when I am excited about something. I guess it is true that we walk our paths alone as we discover who we are.

Jeannie,

There really is no need to apologize.
We all get sometimes exited about our journey and want to share, and make people see how good it feels.
As long as you walk your path in happiness all is good.

Thank you for saying that. Sometimes I put myself out there too much and get my feelings hurt.

I take full responsibility for that of course.

There's irony for you.

I think we all get excited about things we find that resonant with us.

I'm certainly excited about witchcraft and I'm sure it shows.

It's nice that you've found something you are excited about.

My only suggestion would be that as you share it with others you might want to consider finding a more diplomatic way to expain what it's about.

Suggesting to other people that they are unwilling to be responsible for 100% of what happens to them when they are merely suggesting that they don't agree with that philosophy just comes across to the other person as being more of an accusation than a share.

I'm just sharing my personal perspective on that of course.

I agree 100%, it really shows.

My idealogy on the laws of attraction


To attract the laws of attraction, one must understand that there is no definite law for the attractions to attract. One attracts whatever they choose for the laws of attractions to make attraction look good.
So attract today "attraction" for attracting is a healthy bases for attraction in a profound way to stay balanced

May you stay attractively attractive with the attractions of many days to remain attracted to this thread called the laws of attraction

Now read that 10 times quickly and it becomes a ritual as long as you don't tie a knot in your tongue at the process

boy am I a nutcase. Okay, okay, I know I am going to my room now

I am going to my room instead

You are certainly better off there

wow that hurts just looking at that

Well the time for just being excited is over. It is now time to start using what I have learned on a daily basis and start to practice it every day.

I will start by making a list of what I want and start doing some real work on it.

I will address it to Santa Claus.


(Hey, maybe there is a Santa Claus after all.)

Didn't you do that every year?????

Wow I like that one.

Jeannie, no hard feelings. I just had some questions. I actually have heard something very similar to this years ago although back then it did not go by the official title of "Law of Attraction" though what they were describing resonated as being quite similar to this concept. Primarily it was concerning the power of positive thought projection and creative visualization. I actually was introduced to some of these ideas when I was much younger, a child in fact.

I feel the same way as Abra in there are no hard feelings, simply differences of opinion which is the spice of life as they say. Good luck on your journeys, wherever you end up.

The "law of attraction" has been described and talked about in many different ways.


The power of positive thinking.

The power of intention.

The magic of believing.

Creative visualization.

The law of karma.

The creative techniques.

The secret knowledge.

The secret.

The occult. (Hidden knowledge.)

Magick.

The power of prayer.

The power of the mind.

It was taught to us in Girl Scouts.