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Einstein was considered a Genius with a unimaginable high IQ level of 180. If he was crazy then he did a good job in containing it I must say. Did he have imagination? Yes he had a higher imagination then most people could ever dream off.
It is not unusual or a rare occurrence for those that are of higher intelligence or score well on IQ tests to have emotional problems or sometimes actual mental disturbance in some respect. Some of his behaviors would have led me to suspect that he might have been manic or bi-polar. I have no way of knowing that of course and neither did they back then because the level of sophistication and ability to properly diagnose mental illness was not anywhere near what we have today. I am only saying that it is possible and that some of his behaviors and appearance would have prompted an evaluation if he had lived today. Too readily does our, modern more "sophisticated" means of diagnosis deem people mentally ill simply because they don't fit within common standard(s). Such standards seem to operate on dumb-down principles in which we're constantly being encouraged to limit our thoughts and ideas of possibility in order to fit in with some sort of worker-bee mentality. People are labeled ADHD and given drugs to slow thinking down to dumb-down speed. Thanks Pharmaceutical Companies! What ever would we do without you? I've had as much good come from medications as bad, and in particular, one anti-psychotic actually induced a manic episode, causing me to be hospitalized in 2007. Without medications, my own illness takes me from depression to hypomania, but the benefits of the illness greatly outweigh the liabilities of it. The main photo is my latest invention, now in production, and with the side-effect that now I hire people with a better delusion of sanity to build it. The invention required skills in: Mathematics, image processing, programming, machining, drafting, biomechanics and podiatry. Speaking from the perspective of a high school drop out, one could assume genius or insanity. For the latter, the state of Ohio would agree with you, but on the other hand, the results of my efforts have caused me to be very spoiled and I'm perfectly content being labeled crazy, nut job, wacko or whatever the phrase of the day is. I get to pretty much do whatever I want to do and really don't have to explain myself or justify myself. While I don't recommend others doing this, most of my life has excluded the use of medications, except for a brief period in the early 80's and from early 2005 through early 2008, (lithium, trileptal and as a prn, Seroquel). When I was hospitalized in early 2007, for the first time in a quarter of a century, it was actually seroquel, a tranquilizer known to be useful for most patients who suffered from bipolar mania or sleeping problems that triggered a horrible dysphoric episode, when I ran out of lithium. (Lithium and trileptal are mood stablizers). I have to agree with you in terms of feeling dumbed down by medications , although there have been times in my life where medication was necessary. I also avoid any substance that messes with the dopamine receptors of the brain, (alcohol etc) simply because they induce mania and it is impossible to predict whether the experience will be dysphoric or euphoric, and either way, mania is not something anyone can really enjoy. There's a common cliche that fits, that there is a fine line between genius and insanity. It assumes the line is real that the line really matters. Much of media encourages people to treat mental illness as a clinical condition, not too different than an ailment below the neck, and in one particular show, more honestly describes mental illness as a gift and a curse. The secret to this is finding where our weaknesses are actually our strengths, which, in my case, is inventing things and challenging my mind to go where it hasn't gone before. Delusions of Sanity make for more productive worker bees. |
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splendidlife
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Einstein was considered a Genius with a unimaginable high IQ level of 180. If he was crazy then he did a good job in containing it I must say. Did he have imagination? Yes he had a higher imagination then most people could ever dream off.
It is not unusual or a rare occurrence for those that are of higher intelligence or score well on IQ tests to have emotional problems or sometimes actual mental disturbance in some respect. Some of his behaviors would have led me to suspect that he might have been manic or bi-polar. I have no way of knowing that of course and neither did they back then because the level of sophistication and ability to properly diagnose mental illness was not anywhere near what we have today. I am only saying that it is possible and that some of his behaviors and appearance would have prompted an evaluation if he had lived today. Too readily does our, modern more "sophisticated" means of diagnosis deem people mentally ill simply because they don't fit within common standard(s). Such standards seem to operate on dumb-down principles in which we're constantly being encouraged to limit our thoughts and ideas of possibility in order to fit in with some sort of worker-bee mentality. People are labeled ADHD and given drugs to slow thinking down to dumb-down speed. Thanks Pharmaceutical Companies! What ever would we do without you? I've had as much good come from medications as bad, and in particular, one anti-psychotic actually induced a manic episode, causing me to be hospitalized in 2007. Without medications, my own illness takes me from depression to hypomania, but the benefits of the illness greatly outweigh the liabilities of it. The main photo is my latest invention, now in production, and with the side-effect that now I hire people with a better delusion of sanity to build it. The invention required skills in: Mathematics, image processing, programming, machining, drafting, biomechanics and podiatry. Speaking from the perspective of a high school drop out, one could assume genius or insanity. For the latter, the state of Ohio would agree with you, but on the other hand, the results of my efforts have caused me to be very spoiled and I'm perfectly content being labeled crazy, nut job, wacko or whatever the phrase of the day is. I get to pretty much do whatever I want to do and really don't have to explain myself or justify myself. While I don't recommend others doing this, most of my life has excluded the use of medications, except for a brief period in the early 80's and from early 2005 through early 2008, (lithium, trileptal and as a prn, Seroquel). When I was hospitalized in early 2007, for the first time in a quarter of a century, it was actually seroquel, a tranquilizer known to be useful for most patients who suffered from bipolar mania or sleeping problems that triggered a horrible dysphoric episode, when I ran out of lithium. (Lithium and trileptal are mood stablizers). I have to agree with you in terms of feeling dumbed down by medications , although there have been times in my life where medication was necessary. I also avoid any substance that messes with the dopamine receptors of the brain, (alcohol etc) simply because they induce mania and it is impossible to predict whether the experience will be dysphoric or euphoric, and either way, mania is not something anyone can really enjoy. There's a common cliche that fits, that there is a fine line between genius and insanity. It assumes the line is real that the line really matters. Much of media encourages people to treat mental illness as a clinical condition, not too different than an ailment below the neck, and in one particular show, more honestly describes mental illness as a gift and a curse. The secret to this is finding where our weaknesses are actually our strengths, which, in my case, is inventing things and challenging my mind to go where it hasn't gone before. Delusions of Sanity make for more productive worker bees. Mental Illness as a Gift: Opportunity to dig deep into one's own perceived weaknesses, step beyond self-condemnation and to enter into equal acceptance of self and all of humanity. Could amazing creativity be more possible when one drops the illness label? |
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Delusions of Sanity make for more productive worker bees. Mental Illness as a Gift: Opportunity to dig deep into one's own perceived weaknesses, step beyond self-condemnation and to enter into equal acceptance of self and all of humanity. Could amazing creativity could be more possible when one drops the illness label? Why would I want to go and do a silly thing like that?  I'm assuming you mean to drop the stigma of the illness. That's long since gone. As for understanding of others, more often than not, if I can see someone acting out as a result of their illness, the actual behavior is irrelevent, unless there's actual harm being caused. At one time, I had thought I finally met someone with a mental illness who was not brilliant in some way. I'm happy to say I was wrong, but it took about a year or so for his doctors to get his meds right without drugging him into a stupor. It was an amazing gift for him just before christmas and a welcome suprise.
You're right about the busy bee types. One employee, like myself also has bipolar II disorder, and while she's very self-conscious and tends to pole vault over mouse turds, I only need show her the task once and no management skills are required. See? Even mania has its usefulness. 
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this thread 
Einstein had his problems in his personal life but he was a great thinker, philosopher, physicist, AND human being. Like many powerful, charming, leaders he was pursued by many would-be suitors. He had a bad 1st marriage. His second marriage was for all intents and purposes a marriage simply to be with someone whom he appears to have deeply cared for and to take care of her the way she nursed him through his illness. His letters published a few years ago give a rare insight into the personal life of this exceptional individual. Read them yourself. But, here is an excerpt from an article entitled: "Einstein's theory of infidelity" which recapped some of the letters. They do not appear to make him out to be anything less than simply human. <<<...including one in which he writes: "It is true that M followed me [to England] and her chasing after me is getting out of control. But firstly I could hardly avoid it, and secondly, when I see her again, I will tell her that she should vanish immediately. Out of all the dames, I am in fact attached only to Mrs L, who is absolutely harmless and decent." Hanoch Gutfreund, chairman of the Albert Einstein Worldwide Exhibition, said while Einstein's marriage to Elsa was best described as a "marriage of convenience," he nevertheless wrote to her almost every day with descriptions of lecturing in Europe and his efforts to give up smoking, as well as detail of his mistresses. In 1921, he wrote a postcard to her about the nature of scientific discovery, saying: "Soon I'll be fed up with the [theory of] relativity Elsa. Even such a thing fades away when one is too involved with it.">>> There is little to indicate that he and his cousin Elsa did not care deeply for each other and treat each other with respect although it certainly was not a traditional marriage. They appear to be perfectly at ease and open with each other. |
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He was a dyslexic.
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A beautiful mind
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Personally I think he was more sane then most. Here are some very sane quotes of his. "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." "A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." This is another of his quotes that I keep posted nearby; Makes me think... "The definition of insanity is repeating the same action over and over and expecting different results." I would say, based on this quote, that each of us in this forum fits the definition of insane. Everyone that has a routine :) |
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Marty, In gr, time is solved for when mass is given in the metric. Since time is not variable (it dilates, but is casual) it might as well not exist. Look up the block universe. He also said in late age to the wife of a good friend that just died that he would soon die like her husband just did, but wasn't worried about it because being a physicist, he knew that time was just a stubbornly persistent illusion. So he was joking, but at the same time, in gr, since time is determined by how mass bends spacetime by his field equations, time might as well not exist. It is just an idle ticking or number.
Splended, how many people have had sex with their cousins? My cousins are pretty and active... It is a personal matter anyway. Gr plays out quite well experimentally http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity Spiderman, Whoa boy! First of, Einstein wasn't so hot on his math. He avoided the tough math classes in his college years and had to have michael grossman help him with the math of gr. Secondly, his second wife, elsa, already had two fairly old kids like maybe 10-20 years old and was not underage. Read a biography or something. BUt i agree, ethics aren't his strong point. Speaking for myself, ethics are only necessary when a person is not loving d caring. If you are loving, no laws are needed for conduct. Only when a person is underdeveloped as a balanced entity is there need for morality. And about the cooking, maybe she did, but she also liked the candies that one lady brought to Einstein when they would go sailing. She was an adult. As her kids told her, if you don't want to be with a man that is not monogamous (and einstein did say that monogamous was unnatural when he got in trouble when some clothes were found in his sailship that his friends bought for his recreation) then she should leave him. She decided to stay for some reason... Tough to say without meeting the guy how he was... You are simply behind the times if you think strict logic is the standard in modern science. Fuzzy logic is being made. You don't really know how anybody feels or thinks. Religion is dying anyway. It is on the way out. I think this is good. I don't know why you are so bent on making Einstein out negatively based on extramarital sexual relationships? What's it matter? Einstein was not corrupt, even of he doesn't fit into your idea of person who has ethos enough to think a certain way on a matter box. He was in the U.N. when it was first going. There was a discussion about where to locate a building for discussions in the united nations, a headquarters. Someone said in France. Okay, but then the leader of it was to be a Frenchman. Einstein had nothing against France, but this was circumspect. He said that if an alien or martian was to look at the situation, it would be clear that a more appropriate appointment could be made. I sometimes used to wonder if Einstein would like me, and idk, i don't have an idea. I don't think he'd agree with your points at all though. Seak, "Judgments abound in this forum, no fighting, are we here to judge a man that has already answered his death call and paid his dues." Einstein said he always he regarded his life as a loan he had to repay (with death). :) Every Single atom must go back. Smiles, While Einstein did often read the bible, he said that he knew myth when he saw one because so much in the scientific community is fabricated. He said that one thing which really pissed him off was people who said he was an atheist. THis he was not. And he was in Belgium hanging out before he went to America. There was an attempted assassination of him there even. He had guards... He would later play violin with the queen there. The liked Mozart. Why is this like a bible reading club now? Krimsa, Like smiles said, he was born into a jewish family. He did more than his parents until the age of twelve. He would skip to school singing hymns he made. Then, he say the scientific fallacies in scripture stories and parables, and got turned off and thought everyone in authority was just spoonfeeding him lies from the tablecloth. A good attitude for a scientist-he would find out himself. That was a characteristic of Einstein, that everything he did, he would do for himself and often by himself, unless he needed an assistant for maths, which happened a lot, really. But most professors have assistants. But in his 30's or 40's Einstein revisited his jewish heritage. He said that the jewish tie was the strongest tie he had to people and humans socially. Read his autobiography and The Quotable Einstein. Just for the record, Krishna said the only sin was hesitation. It is not being involved with life fully. And relativity does go to his famous equation, but it was in two papers. He wrote 4 or 5 papers in 1905, his miracle year. Each was good enough for high level journals, but three are considered as shift points for science. His photoelectric effect paper that lead to his nobel prize, and also is responsible for motion sensing for automatic doors or the motion stoppers on the grocery conveyor belt. People took his theory and applied it. Relativity, special cases, changed ideas of time and unified electromagnetism of lorents with kinematics, so lightspeed was made compatible with the movement of bodies. The e=mc^2 equation was an after thought of relativity. Lonely walker, Einstein once said to his wife that the five senses were quite limiting and one must get beyond these... In those days he was teaching some classes and was in contact with students. You are quite right from what i know about him and his distrust of the senses. Also, in his book Evolution of Physics, co written, it was mentioned that appearances are misleading and many scientific results are counter intuitive, quite like his time dilation effects. Who would just guess that a clock sent on a fighter jet around the world would register slower than the grounded one, after all. Some people might guess or know, but not the common face value interpretation. Joe, Thanks for sharing. THis helps because you know some mental illness it seems, and that is vital experience. I think if Einstein thought he was getting ill, he would have talked about it like he does his hardening veins and bad smoking habits and his weight and whatnot. B-budha, he had echolalia when he was older, repeating phrases a few times sometimes, and he once forgot his address and had to call princeton for it when he was out walking to get home to mercer street again. He asked for the professor Einstein's address, and he was told they couldn't give it out because too many people wanted to visit the man, then he said, don't tell anybody, but i am the professor Einstein. So maybe his brain was getting clogged up or something, idk. And now the op, "That long haired, can't dress himself, reclusive from time to time had to have been crazy. Why else would he have wasted his TIME doing things that helped proved that TIME itself is a myth. Don't even ask me to prove this, as I will not waste my TIME doing so!smokin" Baggy clothes are nice, they remind you that you are not what you wear. And his hair? He once was told by a visiting friend that many people thought he was sloppy and doing it on purpose for attention. He just said that these things were so superficial to make an opinion of a person on. He said that he didn't need to go to a barber for a long time if his hair was longer. I don't think there is anything in his own words that point to craziness. He doesn't talk about staying up late and feeling or seeing things, hearing things that other people don't. He talked about his feelings and his emotions, he communicated even if what he said wasn't morally cut out or whatever. He doesn't indicate anything about mental illness in his vast correspondence with friends and confidentials. It would have been hidden so well if he was mad. The secret about his kid out of marriage got out, after all. And he wasn't all about time being an illusion. It was just an outcome of his general relativity, it was an observation after the theory was complete. I think people just like to talk about Einstein because if Einstein was crazy, they can go crazy and be alright. This great man did, so why not me? People do that with anything. I think that is why people dig into the personal lives of greater people. They had this vice, so too can i. Or he did this and it was wrong, so i must condemn him and all other parts of him to uphold my beliefs. The thing is, he was a person, flawed, but not tainted with malice or bad intent, or every trying to be deceptive. He spent his famous life years fighting off myths that surrounded him where ever he went. He would still do this if he was around. I think he was intellectually enlightened, but not experientially. But crazy, really crazy, no. He just pushed science ahead a few decades and put his own twist on that. Personally, he lived as a human, with all that entails. |
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That long haired, can't dress himself, reclusive from time to time had to have been crazy. Why else would he have wasted his TIME doing things that helped proved that TIME itself is a myth. Don't even ask me to prove this, as I will not waste my TIME doing so! 
i am not sure if he was crazy, but definately he was married and had kids |
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