Yes, we've destoryed the Wicca thread, and it's all my fault because Invisible says so.

And since she's Invisible we can't LQQK to her for a resolution.

I did it!!!! About 6 months I ago I finally sat down and wrote my own ritual for spellcraft. It took me a whole day and it was completely written out. Every last detail. It was awesome! About 2 weeks later I go to get it and I can't find it anywhere. I was so upset. I had no copy and I had handwritten it. Well I have been working on putting it back on paper again and trying to remember all I had in it. As of today it is done and saved on the computer! Yay!!!!

Well done

It has been fun today, I'm sorry I have to leave for bed now.

Good night all

Did someone just leave the thread to go to bed?

I just saw the door open and close but if someone went though it they were Invisible.

Do you have like a "Book of Shadows" to put all of this in?

You still persist in looking for someone 'at fault' as if you need someone to blame.

As for who is most at fault, I don't know. I would have to investigate the accident itself.

Some drunk drivers do better than sober drivers. Maybe the sober driver was talking on a cell phone and ran a light and the drunk driver is the victim. Just because a person is drunk does not mean they are more at fault.

I can see you don't understand what I am talking about anyway... so as Rosa Rosa Dana would say.... NEVER MIND.



If you are a sole survivor of a plane crash, it is my belief that it just was not your appointed time/or manner of death.

As for everyone else... well, I think it was their appointed time and/or manner of death.

But that is my personal belief, (that each life we live has an appointed manner of death.)

It is all just my belief.

jb

Yes and I finally organized that too. Its all in there now.

I have a lot of documents in a directory on my computer called "Book of Shadows"

But that directory also contains a lot of things like dreams and general experiences which I want to keep seperate in a personal journal.

I need to start printing this stuff out.

Owl put it in a notebinder.

But I want to transfer things over to a hardcover book in handwriting too.

I was waiting because I want to start the Book of Shadows with my 'description' of what witchcraft means to me, and I'm still working on that building that picture.

It's hard to write up something before it's been figured out.

I persist in looking for fault because any rational human being would persist in looking for fault and they certainly are going to balk at someone who is attempting to assert that the victim shares in that responsibility for simply being on the road. I object.

Clearly the drunk driver was only mentioned to illustrate a point as was the sole survivor in the crash.



Well I have successfully pointed out that all you are attempting to convey is the concept behind "actions have consequences" which is certainly nothing new under the sun. If you feel you have something brand new to offer, probably a thread in the Philosophy forum would be a better location as a courtesy to Ruth at this point. Her thread has been mercilessly hijacked.

Well, not only that, but clearly in the cases of rape and child abuse it's absurd to claim that the victims were anyway responsible for these acts.

That's just downright ignorant.

I mean, if we were to accept that victims of crimes are just as responsible for them as the perpetraters, then they wouldn't be victims they would be willing participants.

Clearly there is a flaw in the philosophy, IMHO.

It just doesn't wash.

There are things that happen to us that we just aren't responsible for.

Period.

If that is all you understand then so be it. Like you said, it doesn't matter anyway.

I don't think her thread has been hijacked at all. This thread about "Wiccans" has few, if any Wiccans in it.

Also, the law of attraction is the engine behind all witchcraft because it is about visualization and manifestation etc.

Fine. I just think it would be better served as its own thread in Philosophy and I am not interested in arguing about this. I was never that interested until a couple objectionable concepts were mentioned. But hey, Se la vie, its your reality. Have at it. You are entitled to your views as everyone else is entitled to their personal reality. It all comes down to that.



My understanding is expansive and it consists of what I have already pointed out in no uncertain terms.

They taught us something almost identical to the Law of Attraction when I was in Girl Scouts.

Ruth... I think you need to start a new Wicca thread

I don't want to argue about it either. You can disagree to your hearts content.

I was never disagreeing. Just making a couple points that differed from yours.

That's great Ruth... I know I'm terribly unorganized at least now you won't lose it again.

I certainly won't deny that the law of attraction is the engine behind all of witchcraft ----

Or to phrase that another way, Witchcraft is the truth behind the modern term "Law of Attraction".

They are one in the same thing to a large degree, although witchcraft technically include traditions that may not be recognized by people who use the law of attraction.

None the less, I hold that it's even wrong to believe that the Law of Attraction imples that EVERYTHING in your life is only there because you've attracted it.

So I would disagree with your conclusions about the Law of Attraction.

And yes, I know that many people who teach the Law of Attraction hold to this concept, but I disagree with many of them too.

The Law of Attraction simply says to me that you can attract things into your live intentionally.

But no where does it state that everything that is in your life was attracted by your actions.

That's a false notion right there.

In fact, to drive home my point, the people who teach the Law of Attraction, claim that you need to go through a specific process in order to attract things into your life.

That process includes, INTENT, and VISUALIZATION.

Therefore, if you get raped and you never had any INTENTION of getting raped and you never VISUALIZED getting raped.

Then how can you claim that the Law of Attraction brought the rape to you?

YOU CAN'T

That a false representation of how the Law of Attraction is supposed to work.

So I would claim that you are just outright mistaken Jeannie.

Your claim that we attract everything that happens to us is not in line with how the Law of Attraction is supposed to work.

So there.

Abra,


Well now I fully was prepared to drop this subject because there are so many of you who don't understand thus disagree with it, but you had to go and post this.


You Abra, clearly do not know how the law of attraction works and it is glaringly obvious to me that you have never read any of the books I recommended on this subject that go into specific detail about it and answers every single question you can imagine about it including all of the questions that have been asked to me on this entire dating website.

So I would once again suggest that you read the books I have listed and actually put some of the techniques to work in your own life before you continue to speak as if you know what you are talking about.

You cannot possibly know that you "disagree" when you do not fully understand the law of attraction and you have not read the books I am talking about.




I have never said that everything that is in your life was attracted by YOUR ACTIONS.

That is NOT what the law of attraction teaches either.



Oh really? This is so not true.

The people who teach the law of attraction claim that in order to be successful in attracting what you want in your life, (as apposed to what you don't want or what you have been attracting up to now..) there are specific techniques you must be aware of and practice.

They teach that you have already attracted everything that is currently in your personal reality, good or bad. (You create your personal reality whether you do it consciously and intentionally or not.)

Negative thinking attracts negative things because like attracts like. Like attracts like is what the law of attraction is all about.

(Like frequencies are attracted to like frequencies.)



Since it is obvious that you have not read the book "The Law of Attraction" or the book "Ask and it is Given" or the book "The Amazing power of Deliberate Intent" or any other book on the law of Attraction, I have to conclude that you don't know what the Law of Attraction is about....or whether or not it is "in line with" how the law of Attraction is "supposed to work."

It works the way it works.

So I suggest before you form an opinion and allow it to calcify in your brain, you read the books.

Clearly I understand JB, I simply disagree with the conclusions you are reaching and with good reason.