Genesis:


1.) God says that if Adam eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the day that he does so, he will die. But later Adam eats the forbidden fruit (3:6) and yet lives for another 930 years (5:5). 2:17

2.) As a punishment for killing Abel, God says Cain will be "a fugitive and a vagabond." Yet in just a few verses (4:16-17) Cain will settle down, marry, have a son, and build a city. This is not the activity one would expect from a fugitive and a vagabond. 4:12

3.)God promises Abram and his descendants all of the land of Canaan. But both history and the bible (Acts 7:5 and Heb.11:13) show that God's promise to Abram was not fulfilled. 13:15, 15:18, 17:8, 28:13-14

4.)How long was the Egyptian captivity? This verse says 400 years, but Ex.12:40 and Gal.3:17 say 430 years. 15:13

5.)"In the fourth generation they [Abraham's descendants] shall come hither again." But, if we count Abraham, then their return occurred after seven generations: Abraham, Isaac (Gen.21:1-3), Jacob (Gen.25:19-26), Levi (Gen.35:22-23), Kohath (Ex.6:16), Amramn (Ex.6:18), and Moses (Ex.6:20). 15:16

6.)God promises Abram's descendants the land of Canaan from the Nile to the Euphrates. But according to Acts 7:5 and Heb.11:13 God's promise to Abram was not fulfilled. 15:18

7.)God promises to make Isaac's descendents as numerous as "the stars of heaven", which, of course, never happened. The Jews have always been, and will always be, a small minority. 26:4

8.)God renames Jacob twice (32:28, 35:10 ). God says that Jacob will henceforth be called Israel, but the Bible continues to call him Jacob anyway (47:28-29). And even God himself calls him Jacob in 46:2. 32:28, 35:10

9.)God calls Jacob Jacob, though he said in Gen.32:28 and 35:10 that he would no longer be called Jacob but Israel. 46:2

10.)God promises to bring Jacob safely back from Egypt, but Jacob dies in Egypt (Gen.47:28-29) 46:3

11.)The tribe of Judah will reign "until Shiloh," but Israel's first king (Saul) was from the tribe of Benjamin (Acts 13:21), and most of the time after this prophecy there was no king at all. 49:10

12.)"He washed his garments in wine ... His eyes shall be red with wine."
Did Judah really wash his clothes in wine? Were his eyes bloodshot from drinking too much? Or is this a prophecy of Jesus? (I didn't know Jesus had a drinking problem.) 49:11-12

13.) Contrary to the prophecy in 48:21, Joseph died in Egypt, not Israel. Gen.50:24



Matthew:


14.) The prophecy given in Is.7:14 referred not to a virgin but to a young woman, living at the time of the prophecy. And Jesus, of course, was called Jesus -- and is not called Emmanuel in any verse in the New Testament. 1:23

15.) Matthew claims that Jesus' birth in Bethlehem fulfils the prophecy in Micah 5:2. But this is unlikely for two reasons.

16.) "Bethlehem Ephratah" in Micah 5:2 refers not to a town, but to a clan: the clan of Bethlehem, who was the son of Caleb's second wife, Ephrathah (1 Chr.2:18, 2:50-52, 4:4).

17.)The prophecy (if that is what it is) does not refer to the Messiah, but rather to a military leader, as can be seen from Micah 5:6. This leader is supposed to defeat the Assyrians, which, of course, Jesus never did.
It should also be noted that Matthew altered the text of Micah 5:2 by saying: "And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda" rather than "Bethlehem Ephratah" as is said in Micah 5:2. He did this, intentionally no doubt, to make the verse appear to refer to the town of Bethlehem rather than the family clan. 2:5-6

18.) "Out of Egypt I have called my son,"
Matthew claims that the flight of Jesus' family to Egypt is a fulfillment of Hosea 11:1. But Hosea 11:1 is not a prophecy at all, as is clear when the entire verse is quoted ("When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt."). It is a reference to the Hebrew exodus from Egypt and has nothing to do with Jesus. Matthew tries to hide this fact by quoting only the last part of the verse. 2:15


19.) Matthew quotes Jeremiah 31:15, claiming that it was a prophecy of King Herod's alleged slaughter of the children in and around Bethlehem after the birth of Jesus. But this verse refers to the Babylonian captivity, as is clear by reading the next two verses (16 and 17), and, thus, has nothing to do with Herod's massacre. 2:17-18


20.) "He shall be called a Nazarene." Matthew claims this was a fulfillment of prophecy, yet such a prophecy is not found anywhere in the Old Testament. 2:23


21.) The devil correctly quotes scripture (Ps.91:11-12), while Jesus misquotes Deuteronomy by adding "only" to Dt.6:13. 4:6, 10


22.) Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21


23.) Jesus tells his disciples that he will return before they can "go over the cities of Israel." Later (24:14) he says he will not come until the gospel is preached throughout the world. Well, his disciples went over the cities of Israel and then died waiting for the "return of the Lord." Now, nearly 2000 years later, and long after the gospel had been preached throughout the world, his followers still wait. 10:23


24.) When Jesus and his disciples are accused of breaking the Sabbath, he excuses himself by referring to a scripture in which priests who "profaned the Sabbath" were blameless. But there is no such passage in the Old Testament. 12:5



25.) Jesus visits Tyre which according to Ezekiel (26:14, 21; 27:36, 28:19) was not supposed to exist. 15:21


26.) Jesus mistakenly tells his followers that he will return and establish his kingdom within their lifetime. 16:28


27.) This verse claims that Jesus fulfils the prophecy in Zechariah 9:9. But this cannot be since the person referred to in Zechariah (see verses 10-13) was both a military leader and the king of an earthly kingdom. 21:4


28.) Jesus predicts the end of the world within the lifetime of his listeners. 23:36


29.) "What shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? ... Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes."
The end of the world will be signaled by wars, famines, disease, and earthquakes. 24:3, 7


30.) Jesus says the gospel will be preached to all nations "and then shall the end come. Well according to Paul the gospel has been preached to everyone (Rom.10:18) yet the end hasn't come. 24:14


31.) Jesus is a false prophet, since he predicts that the end of the world will come within the lifetimes of his disciples. The world of course didn't end then, and according to Ec.1:4 it never will end. 24:34


32.) "But all this was done, that the Scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled." What scriptures? What prophets? There is no such prophecy in the Old Testament. 26:54-46


33.)Jesus falsely prophesies that the high priest would see his second coming. 26:64


34.)This is not a quote from Jeremiah, but a misquote of Zechariah (11:12-13). 27:9


Mark:



35.) Mark claims that John the Baptist fulfilled the prophecy given in Malachi (3:1, 4:1, 5). But the Malachi prophecy says that God will send Elijah before "the great and dreadful day of the LORD" in which the world will be consumed by fire. Yet John the Baptist flatly denied that he was Elijah (Elias) in John 1:21 and the earth was not destroyed after John's appearance. 1:2


36.) Ezekiel (26:14, 21, 27:36) prophesied that Tyre would be completely destroyed, never to be built again. But it wasn't destroyed and continued to exist, as shown by this verse in which Jesus visits Tyre. 7:24, 31


37.) Jesus falsely prophesies that the end of the world will come within his listeners' lifetimes. 9:1


38.) Jesus shows that he is a false prophet by predicting his return and the end of the world within the lifetime of his listeners. 13:30


39.) Jesus falsely prophesies that the high priest would see his second coming. 14:62



Luke:



40.) "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me."
These words were spoken by Isaiah and referred to Isaiah. They were not a prophecy about a future prophet, as Jesus claims here, where he supposedly read these verses in the synagogue while applying them to himself. 4:16-20


41.) Jesus falsely predicts that some of his listeners would live to see him return and establish the kingdom of God. 9:27


42.) Jesus prophesies that families will be divided because of him and his teachings. Sadly, this is one prophecy that has been fulfilled. 12:52-53


43.) Jesus says that all that he describes (his return, signs in the sun, moon, and stars, etc.) will occur within the within the lifetime of his listeners. 21:32


44.) Jesus claims that his suffering and death were a fulfillment of prophecy. But there is no such prophecy in the Old Testament. 24:44, 46


John:



45.) Jesus says that "the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live." 5:25


46.) Jesus claims that Moses wrote about him. Where? It's a shame he didn't give us chapter and verse. 5:46


47.) Jesus says that those who believe in him will, as the scripture says, have living waters flowing out of their bellies. Well that sounds like fun, but there is no such scripture in the Bible. 7:38


48.) Jesus falsely prophesies that "there shall be one fold, and one shepherd." This will never happen as long a Christian beliefs are based on the Bible. 10:16


49.) This verse claims that Jesus fulfils the prophecy in Zechariah 9:9. But this cannot be since the person referred to in Zechariah (see verses 10-13) was both a military leader and the king of an earthly kingdom. 12:15

50.) Verse 33 says that during Jesus' crucifixion, the soldiers didn't break his legs because he was already dead. Verse 36 claims that this fulfilled a prophecy: "Not a bone of him shall be broken." But there is no such prophecy. It is sometimes said that the prophecy appears in Ex.12:46, Num. 9:12 and Ps.34:20. This is not correct. Exodus 12:46 and Num.9:12 are not prophecies, they are commandments. The Israelites are told not to break the bones of the Passover lamb, and this is all it is about. And Psalm 34:20 seems to refer to righteous people in general (see verse 19, where a plural is used), not to make a prophecy about a specific person. 19:33, 36

51.) Jesus implies that he will return to earth during the lifetime of John. 21:22



there are many many more, But this realy should be enough for the thinking person.

just one, just for the sake of killing time because i'm very bored, so I will give you one and only one minute of my time.

First of all, Adam it's not a real individual. He is a character.
Second of all, your assertion is not a prophecy in any way at all. Prophecies are of a total different nature.
Third of all, the only purpose of this allegorical passage is to ilustrate the doctrinal principle that sin brings dead.

yes reading does bore some,

But if Adam was not a real person then one can not take any of the bible literal. And therefore none of it is true and must be thrown to the waistside.

your choice.

a Christian would never say that Adam wasn't real ...it would neutralize the entire concept that the Bible is based on

# 1.. Is Adam Still alive? Can you tell me where i can get a hold him at? Thanks SeaMonster

Genesis 2:17


The word for "die" is "muwth". The tense is imperfect. Imperfect tense means incomplete. Thus, Genesis 2:17 is saying that the moment Adam consumes the fruit, Adam will start dying. Until Adam ate the fruit, Adam was immortal.

muwth - http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H4191&t=KJV
tense of muwth in Genesis 2:17 (click on the "TENSE" button next to the word "muwuth") - http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gen&c=2&v=17&t=KJV#conc/17
Imperfect tense - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperfect_tense

it says he lived another 930 yrs.

And yet he did not die on the day he ate the friut.

Like god said he would.

Actually, God said Adam would start dying on that day and Adam did. From the moment we are conceived, we are dying. Death is the end of every life. Until Adam ate the fruit, Adam's life had no end, it would have been eternal. Once Adam's life had an end, even though it was 930 years in the future, Adam was dying.

so when one is born MORTAL, death starts.....

eat of the fruit, be born.......

it's like when you drive a new car off the lot it immediately depreciates ..I guess the same thing happens once you pop out the womb

yes indeed, and then the day comes that the old car becomes a precious commodity, and is sought after, and comes to have MUCH MORE VALUE than a new one, lol...

in the day when depreciation becomes appreciation........

what each negative "hurdle" in life brings to be.......

what be more the story of adam and eve, then the reocurring story of each thing born mortal, that each male and female born is acting out, in lived experience......

Genesis:

13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?"
The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."

14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,
"Cursed are you above all the livestock
and all the wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.

15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring [a] and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel."

16 To the woman he said,
"I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you."

17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,'
"Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat of it
all the days of your life.

18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.

19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return."


Read and again......because it is not how you say it to be....It will never make sense because you fight God.....Fight him but do not teach his Word that you know nothing of. It will always read like a foreign language to those who's eyes and ears are not open.

As far as what I have read so far...please understand what you read before you post....because just the first two were so off base.

13 Cain said to the LORD, "My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."

15 But the LORD said to him, "Not so [e] ; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, [f] east of Eden.

17 Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch. 18 To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad was the father of Mehujael, and Mehujael was the father of Methushael, and Methushael was the father of Lamech.

No need to read anymore....

wow, now thats some spin.
I guess if you twist it enough it will make sense to the ones that need it to make sense.

The bible has been shown wrong on so many acounts that it just seems odd when people just throw away science for myth.
Here are some places where the Bible is scientifically refuted.



A) God set the earth upon a foundations and it cannot move (Psalm 104:5; Psalm 93:1; Psalm 96:10; 1 Chronicles 16:30; Job 38:4-6; 1 Samuel 2:8)? Nope.

The earth moves: it rotates on its own axis, revolves around the sun, revolves around the galactic center as the Milky Way rotates, and so on.



B) The earth is a flat circle (Isaiah 40:22; Job 38:1, 4-6, 14)? Nope.

The earth is not a circle, but a sphere (technically, an oblate spheroid). A circle is flat: it's 2-dimensional and lies in a single plane. A quarter is a good approximation of a circle. A sphere is three-dimensional, like a basketball. The earth is a three-dimensional sphere, like a basketball, not a two-dimensional circle, like a quarter.

One would stretch a measuring line AROUND the earth, not across it.



C) Bats are birds (Leviticus 11:13-19)? Nope.

Bats are mammals.



D) Angiosperms appeared before animals (Genesis 1:11-13, 20-27)? Nope.

Angiosperms (seed-bearing land plants with fruit) appeared about 140 mya
(“Biology: Fifth Edition, Solomon”, Berg, and Martin, Saunders College Publishing, 1999, p584: “Evolution”, Douglas J. Futuyma, Sinauer Associates Inc., 2005, p106:
“Counter-Creationism Handbook”, Mark Isaak, University of California Press,
2007, p128)

Animals appeared at least as far back as 580 mya
(“The Early Evolution of Animals”, David J Bottjer, Scientific American, August,
2005)



E) Birds appeared before land animals (Genesis 1:20-25)? Nope.

The “first bird” (Archaeopteryx) dates back only to about 150 mya
(“Missing Links: Evolutionary Concepts & Transitions Through Time”, Robert A. Martin, Jones & Bartlett Publishers, 2004, p145)

One of the first four-legged land animals (Ichtyostega) dates all the way back to about 363 mya
(“At the Water’s Edge”, Carl Zimmer, Touchstone, 1999, p93)

Except that is not how life works. You pop out a helpless small fragile creature who will feed, gain mass, make use of energy and grow (cellular replication). You become stronger, you do not die, you do not start dieng, you gain in strength and capability as long as everything goes according to a correctly imprinted error free set of DNA.

You do not start to "fall apart" until cellular replication starts to accumulate flaws that DNA cannot fix. DNA fixes many replication errors by using the immune system to search out and destroy rogue cells.

It is a metaphor only to say you start to die the day you are born. It is not quite that simple, and that is an inaccurate statement given our current understanding of biology.

It is completely possible that science will achieve biological immortality, maybe even in our life times. The ethics of it are another matter, but the potentiality is quite real.

What does that say, if god takes away immortality, and we take it back . . . . .?

Jeremy.

sorry love but hard to debate when all you say is crapola.......the prophecies have been fulfilled and are getting fulfilled right now....have already posted on it.

Who is twisting?

When life begins, we are progressing towards death. I don't see how that statement is inaccurate.

Also, I strongly disagree that we will achieve biological immortality. I don't believe we will ever see immortality through science. But it is a nice goal and if we ever achieve that goal, I will thank God for allowing us that power.

LOL well who can argue with hard facts like that?
The bible has been shown WRONG on many many many occasions.
Did you not read what I posted on the things in the bible that science has shown to be wrong?

Adam is NOT just a bible character...Adam was FIRST born MAN........we are the decendants of Adam.

Read your bible my friend.