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Topic: just 51 prophecies that did not come true in the bible
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Sun 11/16/08 12:30 AM
Edited by TelephoneMan on Sun 11/16/08 12:31 AM

Genesis:


1.) God says that if Adam eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the day that he does so, he will die. But later Adam eats the forbidden fruit (3:6) and yet lives for another 930 years (5:5). 2:17

blah... blah... blah....... jeesh...



I'm just curious, if you don't believe any of this stuff, why are you wasting your time (and ours) blabbering on and on about it?

And...

When are you going to get a pair and tell us what YOU believe so the entire world can pick it apart bone by bone?

And your answer is.... ?

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Sun 11/16/08 02:10 AM
Edited by MorningSong on Sun 11/16/08 02:18 AM



And yet he did not die on the day he ate the friut.

Like god said he would.


Actually, God said Adam would start dying on that day and Adam did. From the moment we are conceived, we are dying. Death is the end of every life. Until Adam ate the fruit, Adam's life had no end, it would have been eternal. Once Adam's life had an end, even though it was 930 years in the future, Adam was dying.


Actuly that is not true.

We regenerate cells and our bodies are actuly living until around the age of 10 or 11 then we start our dieing cycle.
So you have actuly proven the bible false.


Thank You.



Adam and EVE SPIRITUALLY died THAT VERY DAY they sinned...

but physical death also took place ..but took place over a period of time.

See....
when God created man, God never
meant for man to die at all...
not spiritually or physically.

But when sinned entered in,
sin caused separation from God( cause God cannot look upon sin),

thus causing Adam and Eve spiritual death that very day,
followed by gradual physical dying.

But when man is born again ,
his spirit is ONCE MORE MADE ALIVE ( THAT'S WHAT BORN AGAIN MEANS)....

and man now ALSO has a chance at eternal life once more....

like it was in the beginning before sin entered into the picture.
:heart::heart::heart:

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Mon 11/17/08 12:36 AM

Genesis:


1.) God says that if Adam eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the day that he does so, he will die. But later Adam eats the forbidden fruit (3:6) and yet lives for another 930 years (5:5). 2:17

2.) As a punishment for killing Abel, God says Cain will be "a fugitive and a vagabond." Yet in just a few verses (4:16-17) Cain will settle down, marry, have a son, and build a city. This is not the activity one would expect from a fugitive and a vagabond. 4:12

3.)God promises Abram and his descendants all of the land of Canaan. But both history and the bible (Acts 7:5 and Heb.11:13) show that God's promise to Abram was not fulfilled. 13:15, 15:18, 17:8, 28:13-14

4.)How long was the Egyptian captivity? This verse says 400 years, but Ex.12:40 and Gal.3:17 say 430 years. 15:13

5.)"In the fourth generation they [Abraham's descendants] shall come hither again." But, if we count Abraham, then their return occurred after seven generations: Abraham, Isaac (Gen.21:1-3), Jacob (Gen.25:19-26), Levi (Gen.35:22-23), Kohath (Ex.6:16), Amramn (Ex.6:18), and Moses (Ex.6:20). 15:16

6.)God promises Abram's descendants the land of Canaan from the Nile to the Euphrates. But according to Acts 7:5 and Heb.11:13 God's promise to Abram was not fulfilled. 15:18

7.)God promises to make Isaac's descendents as numerous as "the stars of heaven", which, of course, never happened. The Jews have always been, and will always be, a small minority. 26:4

8.)God renames Jacob twice (32:28, 35:10 ). God says that Jacob will henceforth be called Israel, but the Bible continues to call him Jacob anyway (47:28-29). And even God himself calls him Jacob in 46:2. 32:28, 35:10

9.)God calls Jacob Jacob, though he said in Gen.32:28 and 35:10 that he would no longer be called Jacob but Israel. 46:2

10.)God promises to bring Jacob safely back from Egypt, but Jacob dies in Egypt (Gen.47:28-29) 46:3

11.)The tribe of Judah will reign "until Shiloh," but Israel's first king (Saul) was from the tribe of Benjamin (Acts 13:21), and most of the time after this prophecy there was no king at all. 49:10

12.)"He washed his garments in wine ... His eyes shall be red with wine."
Did Judah really wash his clothes in wine? Were his eyes bloodshot from drinking too much? Or is this a prophecy of Jesus? (I didn't know Jesus had a drinking problem.) 49:11-12

13.) Contrary to the prophecy in 48:21, Joseph died in Egypt, not Israel. Gen.50:24



Matthew:


14.) The prophecy given in Is.7:14 referred not to a virgin but to a young woman, living at the time of the prophecy. And Jesus, of course, was called Jesus -- and is not called Emmanuel in any verse in the New Testament. 1:23

15.) Matthew claims that Jesus' birth in Bethlehem fulfils the prophecy in Micah 5:2. But this is unlikely for two reasons.

16.) "Bethlehem Ephratah" in Micah 5:2 refers not to a town, but to a clan: the clan of Bethlehem, who was the son of Caleb's second wife, Ephrathah (1 Chr.2:18, 2:50-52, 4:4).

17.)The prophecy (if that is what it is) does not refer to the Messiah, but rather to a military leader, as can be seen from Micah 5:6. This leader is supposed to defeat the Assyrians, which, of course, Jesus never did.
It should also be noted that Matthew altered the text of Micah 5:2 by saying: "And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda" rather than "Bethlehem Ephratah" as is said in Micah 5:2. He did this, intentionally no doubt, to make the verse appear to refer to the town of Bethlehem rather than the family clan. 2:5-6

18.) "Out of Egypt I have called my son,"
Matthew claims that the flight of Jesus' family to Egypt is a fulfillment of Hosea 11:1. But Hosea 11:1 is not a prophecy at all, as is clear when the entire verse is quoted ("When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt."). It is a reference to the Hebrew exodus from Egypt and has nothing to do with Jesus. Matthew tries to hide this fact by quoting only the last part of the verse. 2:15


19.) Matthew quotes Jeremiah 31:15, claiming that it was a prophecy of King Herod's alleged slaughter of the children in and around Bethlehem after the birth of Jesus. But this verse refers to the Babylonian captivity, as is clear by reading the next two verses (16 and 17), and, thus, has nothing to do with Herod's massacre. 2:17-18


20.) "He shall be called a Nazarene." Matthew claims this was a fulfillment of prophecy, yet such a prophecy is not found anywhere in the Old Testament. 2:23


21.) The devil correctly quotes scripture (Ps.91:11-12), while Jesus misquotes Deuteronomy by adding "only" to Dt.6:13. 4:6, 10


22.) Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21


23.) Jesus tells his disciples that he will return before they can "go over the cities of Israel." Later (24:14) he says he will not come until the gospel is preached throughout the world. Well, his disciples went over the cities of Israel and then died waiting for the "return of the Lord." Now, nearly 2000 years later, and long after the gospel had been preached throughout the world, his followers still wait. 10:23


24.) When Jesus and his disciples are accused of breaking the Sabbath, he excuses himself by referring to a scripture in which priests who "profaned the Sabbath" were blameless. But there is no such passage in the Old Testament. 12:5



25.) Jesus visits Tyre which according to Ezekiel (26:14, 21; 27:36, 28:19) was not supposed to exist. 15:21


26.) Jesus mistakenly tells his followers that he will return and establish his kingdom within their lifetime. 16:28


27.) This verse claims that Jesus fulfils the prophecy in Zechariah 9:9. But this cannot be since the person referred to in Zechariah (see verses 10-13) was both a military leader and the king of an earthly kingdom. 21:4


28.) Jesus predicts the end of the world within the lifetime of his listeners. 23:36


29.) "What shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? ... Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes."
The end of the world will be signaled by wars, famines, disease, and earthquakes. 24:3, 7


30.) Jesus says the gospel will be preached to all nations "and then shall the end come. Well according to Paul the gospel has been preached to everyone (Rom.10:18) yet the end hasn't come. 24:14


31.) Jesus is a false prophet, since he predicts that the end of the world will come within the lifetimes of his disciples. The world of course didn't end then, and according to Ec.1:4 it never will end. 24:34


32.) "But all this was done, that the Scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled." What scriptures? What prophets? There is no such prophecy in the Old Testament. 26:54-46


33.)Jesus falsely prophesies that the high priest would see his second coming. 26:64


34.)This is not a quote from Jeremiah, but a misquote of Zechariah (11:12-13). 27:9


Mark:



35.) Mark claims that John the Baptist fulfilled the prophecy given in Malachi (3:1, 4:1, 5). But the Malachi prophecy says that God will send Elijah before "the great and dreadful day of the LORD" in which the world will be consumed by fire. Yet John the Baptist flatly denied that he was Elijah (Elias) in John 1:21 and the earth was not destroyed after John's appearance. 1:2


36.) Ezekiel (26:14, 21, 27:36) prophesied that Tyre would be completely destroyed, never to be built again. But it wasn't destroyed and continued to exist, as shown by this verse in which Jesus visits Tyre. 7:24, 31


37.) Jesus falsely prophesies that the end of the world will come within his listeners' lifetimes. 9:1


38.) Jesus shows that he is a false prophet by predicting his return and the end of the world within the lifetime of his listeners. 13:30


39.) Jesus falsely prophesies that the high priest would see his second coming. 14:62



Luke:



40.) "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me."
These words were spoken by Isaiah and referred to Isaiah. They were not a prophecy about a future prophet, as Jesus claims here, where he supposedly read these verses in the synagogue while applying them to himself. 4:16-20


41.) Jesus falsely predicts that some of his listeners would live to see him return and establish the kingdom of God. 9:27


42.) Jesus prophesies that families will be divided because of him and his teachings. Sadly, this is one prophecy that has been fulfilled. 12:52-53


43.) Jesus says that all that he describes (his return, signs in the sun, moon, and stars, etc.) will occur within the within the lifetime of his listeners. 21:32


44.) Jesus claims that his suffering and death were a fulfillment of prophecy. But there is no such prophecy in the Old Testament. 24:44, 46


John:



45.) Jesus says that "the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live." 5:25


46.) Jesus claims that Moses wrote about him. Where? It's a shame he didn't give us chapter and verse. 5:46


47.) Jesus says that those who believe in him will, as the scripture says, have living waters flowing out of their bellies. Well that sounds like fun, but there is no such scripture in the Bible. 7:38


48.) Jesus falsely prophesies that "there shall be one fold, and one shepherd." This will never happen as long a Christian beliefs are based on the Bible. 10:16


49.) This verse claims that Jesus fulfils the prophecy in Zechariah 9:9. But this cannot be since the person referred to in Zechariah (see verses 10-13) was both a military leader and the king of an earthly kingdom. 12:15

50.) Verse 33 says that during Jesus' crucifixion, the soldiers didn't break his legs because he was already dead. Verse 36 claims that this fulfilled a prophecy: "Not a bone of him shall be broken." But there is no such prophecy. It is sometimes said that the prophecy appears in Ex.12:46, Num. 9:12 and Ps.34:20. This is not correct. Exodus 12:46 and Num.9:12 are not prophecies, they are commandments. The Israelites are told not to break the bones of the Passover lamb, and this is all it is about. And Psalm 34:20 seems to refer to righteous people in general (see verse 19, where a plural is used), not to make a prophecy about a specific person. 19:33, 36

51.) Jesus implies that he will return to earth during the lifetime of John. 21:22



there are many many more, But this realy should be enough for the thinking person.



It's amazing how someone who doesn't believe in the Bible's truths can misquote or misrepresent something that they evidently don't know anything about. You can't take out bits and pieces and make them say what you want. You need to provide the whole story. I can go over most of these without even opening my Bible and prove you wrong. You have the mistaken assumption that everything is immediate in some of your verses. Others you didn't look very well. Like the one about the death and reserection of Jesus being prophesied in the Old Testament. It is there, several times in the book of Daniel for starters. But without an open heart, you will never see the truth, so why bother. Why try to tear up everyone else's belief because you refuse to see the truth for yourself. Why bother trying to look up part of the verses and not all that apply to that subject?

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