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Maybe this can make a little more sense to all of you that can't think past the scope of a childhood education.
Tina Tina, you make very valid arguments. But then you proceed to lessen those points by making snide little comments such as the one I am quoting. I understand that it can be frustrating at times to feel that you are the only one who " sees the light " so to speak. Resorting to insulting someone's intelligence, however, is not the most effective way of making your point. If people don't listen to those points, that is their own choice. Oh I'm reading them but they don't go with my life experience and the tone of this whole thread is if you are poor you must be either stupid or lazy.I am neither .I'm just a single parent struggling to get by and even I will drop a few coins in a less fortunate persons cup because thats called empathy and community.Sometimes people forget their roots and what it's like to struggle.sad. You DO know, though, that it IS possible for you to do better for you and your family. No one is saying that just because you are poor you are stupid. I am saying that there are so many resources out there for single parents to make a better life for themselves, and the argument before (WINX, I think said) that people that are older with children will never make any better of a life for themselves or their families other than minimum wage and that minimum wage should be increased. You can look back and see that conversation. You can also see in other threads where I have told my story, and argued that many people are perfectly happy with making a lower income. They are happy to spend more time with their families and would opt to not work so hard in their life. What I am saying is, that's fine, but I don't want them to whine and say that somehow because I HAVE worked hard to earn good money, I owe them by paying more than 1/3 of what I earn to them. Hope that clarifies. Tina I did not say that they will never make a better life for themselves!! I said that it was more difficult. You said exactly, Winx: "But..you were young when this happened. These people are older and have children. Minimum wage cannot support a family. It's even difficult for a single adult to live on that income." Throughout the entire conversation, you had stuck to this and how "difficult" it was to a point that it was implied as nearly impossible. And in another quote, an implication: Winx: "Not to mention the psychological issues they have from living like that all of their lives and having no hope or good role models." I am just arguing the point that it IS possible. And, if one jumps on the ball early enough in the year FASFA funds will be available for them. There are also State Need Grants for EVERYTHING from excess tuition fees, class fees, books, extra cost of living, DAYCARE, etc. AND on top of that comes a subsidised loan, and if all else fails, an un-subsidised loan. Tina I know what I wrote. I read it this morning on the other thread. I never said that they would never be able to make a better life for themselves. Yes, it is difficult for a family to support themselves on minimum wage. It's a no-brainer. DIFFICULT MEANS DIFFICULT. You then say on this thread that I said that they "will never make any better of a life for themselves or their families" and now you say that I implied it. If you're going to quote me, please get it right! OK, Winx, this is getting nowhere. Just let it go. |
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There is, even in helping the poor, such a thing as investment. Many poor aren't an investment at all. Many of us will live off government handouts forever. But some of us are a great investment -- people who really want to try and get out of the holes we live in daily. Problem is, when so many are black holes, who can blame people for not wanting to take the chance that some may come back from the help and help the economy themselves someday? I agree with you here... sometimes people need validation from others ...it's like cheering them on. I think working class issues are something we can all agree on. |
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I think helping out those less fortunate is a GREAT investment provided there is a return on that investment. I am more than willing to see less of my tax dollars go to locking up people for smoking pot and more of that money go to people who are in need of more education. There is a ton of government waste out there and making people accountable for that waste so that it can be used to help those people in the most need would make me very happy indeed. -Drew |
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I think helping out those less fortunate is a GREAT investment provided there is a return on that investment. I am more than willing to see less of my tax dollars go to locking up people for smoking pot and more of that money go to people who are in need of more education. There is a ton of government waste out there and making people accountable for that waste so that it can be used to help those people in the most need would make me very happy indeed. -Drew Madison---on this issue, we do. I commented on it on another post as well. I'm sick of seeing people locked up for harming themselves. If it bleeds over into harming others, that's a different matter, but do you think our agreeing on something is a sign of the end times? :) -Drew |
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TINA: See? No matter what you do, say or the facts you provide....things just are not comprehensible by many....SIGH.... I do not make much money, I do the best with the skills I have, I live modestly and am content with what I have. I am basically a HAPPY PUPPY! I am all for programs to assist those in need....reaching out & HELPING (NOT SUPPORTING)........ BUT I and the rest of the citizenship of the USA are NOT obligated to provide for others. Those who are financially wealthy got there through hard work, tons of stress & lots of determination & self sacrifice.......To have the AUDACITY to say these individuals are obligated to "COUGH UP" their hard earned money is mind boggeling.... 
Sure, it would be nice to have the skills to EARN (I stress the word EARN)and/or make more money....but I do not, THEREFORE, I make the best of what I have, live sensibly & modestly and am grateful for the wealthy BECAUSE it is THEY, the dastardly, how dare they be "rich", who provide the millions of jobs for others to EARN a living.....and pay the millions of dollars in taxes to keep the USA going..... Do people REALLY think the minuscule amount paid in taxes by the mid to low class wage earners & the non-tax paying wage earners - keeps things running in the USA? The words "COMMON SENSE" seem to be missing in this thread.  
Lindyy 
AND THESE, are the people that the wealthy WANT to help. People who think that they are somehow OWED something because they are poor (or as the uneducated say 'po') are not the people that deserve any more support. Tina Typical. People like you need to see what its like being on the other side and not having anything. I am poor as hell, work a crappy job to make ends meet and yes I get help from the government. It's enough to keep me and my son afloat. We aren't living the lap of luxury. I despise people like you. You have no idea what it's like for people like me. I work my arse off everyday and I still feel like no matter what I do, it will not get better. I'm educated and sometimes people get in a crunch. Get over yourself. |
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TINA: See? No matter what you do, say or the facts you provide....things just are not comprehensible by many....SIGH.... I do not make much money, I do the best with the skills I have, I live modestly and am content with what I have. I am basically a HAPPY PUPPY! I am all for programs to assist those in need....reaching out & HELPING (NOT SUPPORTING)........ BUT I and the rest of the citizenship of the USA are NOT obligated to provide for others. Those who are financially wealthy got there through hard work, tons of stress & lots of determination & self sacrifice.......To have the AUDACITY to say these individuals are obligated to "COUGH UP" their hard earned money is mind boggeling....
Sure, it would be nice to have the skills to EARN (I stress the word EARN)and/or make more money....but I do not, THEREFORE, I make the best of what I have, live sensibly & modestly and am grateful for the wealthy BECAUSE it is THEY, the dastardly, how dare they be "rich", who provide the millions of jobs for others to EARN a living.....and pay the millions of dollars in taxes to keep the USA going..... Do people REALLY think the minuscule amount paid in taxes by the mid to low class wage earners & the non-tax paying wage earners - keeps things running in the USA? The words "COMMON SENSE" seem to be missing in this thread.
Lindyy
AND THESE, are the people that the wealthy WANT to help. People who think that they are somehow OWED something because they are poor (or as the uneducated say 'po') are not the people that deserve any more support. Tina Typical. People like you need to see what its like being on the other side and not having anything. I am poor as hell, work a crappy job to make ends meet and yes I get help from the government. It's enough to keep me and my son afloat. We aren't living the lap of luxury. I despise people like you. You have no idea what it's like for people like me. I work my arse off everyday and I still feel like no matter what I do, it will not get better. I'm educated and sometimes people get in a crunch. Get over yourself. Go back and see what I have said previously. I HAVE had it rough - WITH CHILDREN to care for at the same time. Dont give me all this "get over yourself" until you know the whole story. Before you say all the nasty things you have just said to me - TELL ME that YOU have been through the horrors I have seen! Then YOU get over YOURSELF! Tina |
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TINA: See? No matter what you do, say or the facts you provide....things just are not comprehensible by many....SIGH.... I do not make much money, I do the best with the skills I have, I live modestly and am content with what I have. I am basically a HAPPY PUPPY! I am all for programs to assist those in need....reaching out & HELPING (NOT SUPPORTING)........ BUT I and the rest of the citizenship of the USA are NOT obligated to provide for others. Those who are financially wealthy got there through hard work, tons of stress & lots of determination & self sacrifice.......To have the AUDACITY to say these individuals are obligated to "COUGH UP" their hard earned money is mind boggeling....
Sure, it would be nice to have the skills to EARN (I stress the word EARN)and/or make more money....but I do not, THEREFORE, I make the best of what I have, live sensibly & modestly and am grateful for the wealthy BECAUSE it is THEY, the dastardly, how dare they be "rich", who provide the millions of jobs for others to EARN a living.....and pay the millions of dollars in taxes to keep the USA going..... Do people REALLY think the minuscule amount paid in taxes by the mid to low class wage earners & the non-tax paying wage earners - keeps things running in the USA? The words "COMMON SENSE" seem to be missing in this thread.
Lindyy
AND THESE, are the people that the wealthy WANT to help. People who think that they are somehow OWED something because they are poor (or as the uneducated say 'po') are not the people that deserve any more support. Tina Typical. People like you need to see what its like being on the other side and not having anything. I am poor as hell, work a crappy job to make ends meet and yes I get help from the government. It's enough to keep me and my son afloat. We aren't living the lap of luxury. I despise people like you. You have no idea what it's like for people like me. I work my arse off everyday and I still feel like no matter what I do, it will not get better. I'm educated and sometimes people get in a crunch. Get over yourself. Go back and see what I have said previously. I HAVE had it rough - WITH CHILDREN to care for at the same time. Dont give me all this "get over yourself" until you know the whole story. Before you say all the nasty things you have just said to me - TELL ME that YOU have been through the horrors I have seen! Then YOU get over YOURSELF! Tina Tina...is it time to call in my Uncle Veechie for protection ?...lol...hang in their !! |
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Edited by
quiet_2008
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Mon 11/10/08 09:15 AM
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TINA: See? No matter what you do, say or the facts you provide....things just are not comprehensible by many....SIGH.... I do not make much money, I do the best with the skills I have, I live modestly and am content with what I have. I am basically a HAPPY PUPPY! I am all for programs to assist those in need....reaching out & HELPING (NOT SUPPORTING)........ BUT I and the rest of the citizenship of the USA are NOT obligated to provide for others. Those who are financially wealthy got there through hard work, tons of stress & lots of determination & self sacrifice.......To have the AUDACITY to say these individuals are obligated to "COUGH UP" their hard earned money is mind boggeling....
Sure, it would be nice to have the skills to EARN (I stress the word EARN)and/or make more money....but I do not, THEREFORE, I make the best of what I have, live sensibly & modestly and am grateful for the wealthy BECAUSE it is THEY, the dastardly, how dare they be "rich", who provide the millions of jobs for others to EARN a living.....and pay the millions of dollars in taxes to keep the USA going..... Do people REALLY think the minuscule amount paid in taxes by the mid to low class wage earners & the non-tax paying wage earners - keeps things running in the USA? The words "COMMON SENSE" seem to be missing in this thread.
Lindyy
AND THESE, are the people that the wealthy WANT to help. People who think that they are somehow OWED something because they are poor (or as the uneducated say 'po') are not the people that deserve any more support. Tina Typical. People like you need to see what its like being on the other side and not having anything. I am poor as hell, work a crappy job to make ends meet and yes I get help from the government. It's enough to keep me and my son afloat. We aren't living the lap of luxury. I despise people like you. You have no idea what it's like for people like me. I work my arse off everyday and I still feel like no matter what I do, it will not get better. I'm educated and sometimes people get in a crunch. Get over yourself. Go back and see what I have said previously. I HAVE had it rough - WITH CHILDREN to care for at the same time. Dont give me all this "get over yourself" until you know the whole story. Before you say all the nasty things you have just said to me - TELL ME that YOU have been through the horrors I have seen! Then YOU get over YOURSELF! Tina me I prefer to move on and be prepared for the next set of horrors coming my way |
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I agree. I don't think anyone has the right to the asumptions she had made, though. It HAS made me who I am, and that's probably why I will be able to get through just about anything.
I would like to see a bright future, and that's all that really matters at this point. Tina |
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Tina...is it time to call in my Uncle Veechie for protection ?...lol...hang in their !! Thanks, Gio |
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Edited by
Winx
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Mon 11/10/08 10:56 AM
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There is, even in helping the poor, such a thing as investment. Many poor aren't an investment at all. Many of us will live off government handouts forever. But some of us are a great investment -- people who really want to try and get out of the holes we live in daily. Problem is, when so many are black holes, who can blame people for not wanting to take the chance that some may come back from the help and help the economy themselves someday? Not cutting benefits. Keeping benefits the same for those who are bettering themselves until they don't need any at all, and cutting benefits for those who lie and live off the system. As for health care... we all need it, and as human beings we all have the right to it. That said, we still don't have it. Something ain't right up in here... Temp., Health care is important. My cousin's 19 yr. son was deathly ill and had to have surgery to live. He was uninsured and living in another state. His parents, my cousin, refinanced their home and put the medical cards on their charge cards and even took out a small loan to pay for his medical care and fly my cousin to the hospital. They are in their 50's and almost had their house paid for and now they are starting over. They have a 12 yr. old daughter that wears holes in her socks and underwear. She has had the same pair of shoes for 3 yrs. Can you imagine how large they were when she got them? They are in debt for years to pay this medical bill. |
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If you're going to quote me, please get it right! OK, Winx, this is getting nowhere. Just let it go. So, do we have an understanding? |
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Tina...is it time to call in my Uncle Veechie for protection ?...lol...hang in their !! Thanks, Gio I see ASSumptions coming from both sides. You know what you have with alot of ASSumptions? A room full of crap. |
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Edited by
Winx
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Tina...is it time to call in my Uncle Veechie for protection ?...lol...hang in their !! Thanks, Gio I see ASSumptions coming from both sides. You know what you have with alot of ASSumptions? A room full of crap. Hmmm...I might need my boots then. 
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Tina...is it time to call in my Uncle Veechie for protection ?...lol...hang in their !! Thanks, Gio Hmmm...I might need my boots then.
Winx, First you are telling me to quit MY insults, then you go on and on and do it OVER and OVER. Stop being a nag. Do we have an understanding? Tina |
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Tina...is it time to call in my Uncle Veechie for protection ?...lol...hang in their !! Thanks, Gio Hmmm...I might need my boots then.
Winx, First you are telling me to quit MY insults, then you go on and on and do it OVER and OVER. Stop being a nag. Do we have an understanding? Tina Excuse me? Whatever are you talking about? |
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Tina...is it time to call in my Uncle Veechie for protection ?...lol...hang in their !! Thanks, Gio Hmmm...I might need my boots then.
Winx, First you are telling me to quit MY insults, then you go on and on and do it OVER and OVER. Stop being a nag. Do we have an understanding? Tina Excuse me? Whatever are you talking about? JUST DONT REPLY TO ME UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING MEANINGFUL TO SAY! CAN WE SOMEHOW COME TO JUST THIS UNDERSTANDING? Tina |
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Tina...is it time to call in my Uncle Veechie for protection ?...lol...hang in their !! Thanks, Gio Hmmm...I might need my boots then.
Winx, First you are telling me to quit MY insults, then you go on and on and do it OVER and OVER. Stop being a nag. Do we have an understanding? Tina Excuse me? Whatever are you talking about? JUST DONT REPLY TO ME UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING MEANINGFUL TO SAY! CAN WE SOMEHOW COME TO JUST THIS UNDERSTANDING? Tina And what makes you think that I have a habit of replying to you?! I saw that you incorrectly quoted me from another thread. I called you on it. That was meaningful to me. |
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Tina...is it time to call in my Uncle Veechie for protection ?...lol...hang in their !! Thanks, Gio Hmmm...I might need my boots then.
Winx, First you are telling me to quit MY insults, then you go on and on and do it OVER and OVER. Stop being a nag. Do we have an understanding? Tina Excuse me? Whatever are you talking about? JUST DONT REPLY TO ME UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING MEANINGFUL TO SAY! CAN WE SOMEHOW COME TO JUST THIS UNDERSTANDING? Tina gulp !!!...  ...lol
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Well,
I caught her red-handed, on this thread poking fun, and on another thread, so sweetly saying how she doesnt like it when people do that. It's getting ridiculous. Just end it already. Moving on. Tina |
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