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Im pro-love!! It is something that there is never to much of.
I would personally would love to see a nation where abortion was never needed, but there are instances where it is the only option, and the government shouldnt have the right to dictate to us when that instance is. Thats why im Pro-choice |
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, a man has limited ability on the decision...I don't think personally it should even be left to his decision or his thought even considered, afterall it is her that will carry the child not him. Men have been dictating the way women should go about things for centuries, we need less of that...we also need more independent decisions left outside the court system and the jurisdiction of government (this goes for more then just abortion). Unfortunately our society is growing in a baby manner by which we can't make our own decisions so we wait for congress or the likes to develop a law that we can follow...college gets rich, brains get small.
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Edited by
singmesweet
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Really? You stood by her decision with honor and respect? Then woudnt you be making a point of STATING that very fact on forum instead of continuously whining about a past pregnancy that she CHOSE not to carry to term? All I am and several others have done here is called you on your selfish and immature behavior. You want us to feel sympathy. Maybe some will, but I certainly wont. Stop attempting to explain and re-explain your argument. I understand exactly what went down and the position you are taking now and I disagree which is my prerogative. It is a WOMAN'S BODY and HER DECISION. What is so terribly difficult for you to understand here as it relates to human dignity and autonomy? You as a male surely have come to expect this right in your day to day life. I see no difference except that women are very often subjugated throughout the world both historically and in our modern society. As a male, it would never even cross your mind to expect any less than the right to control your own body irregardless of the selfish needs and desires of others. You are a sperm donor. Thats it. When two consenting adults engage in sexual intercourse and a pregnancy occurs, regardless of circumstance or what took place exactly, the woman is now left with that burden. She can either decide to have that child or not. It is obviously not an easy task to carry and deliver a baby. It has PERMANENT physiological repercussions on a woman's body. If you dont want to face the potential risk of involving yourself with child support then dont have sex! How incredibly insensitive and ignorant of you. You think because were male that we have no emotional investment in this at all? Your lack of consideration is astounding. When your in a relationship, and I'm not talking some one you just picked up at a bar, a real relationship both party's have the right to a say in a matter like that. Its an unfortunate situation for some women when they have an unwanted pregnancy but I'm afraid that at that point if they don't want the baby they need to look at adoption or giving up custody of the child to the other party in the relationship. After all it takes two to make a baby and the woman is just as responsible for the pregnancy as the man is. getting an abortion to me in that situation is simply taking the childish way out. You want to talk about human dignity and autonomy, what about that baby sure maybe at the point of an abortion it doesn't possess any such things, but what are you going to tell the next child you do keep? "You're lucky you didn't come first johnny, you'da wound up in the incinerator! you see daddy wanted to keep your sibling but mommy just wasn't ready for responsibility! Who knows why, maybe she wanted to save her vagina for a few more years, ah well run along son.". Course at that point that relationship would probably already have ended. Oh well. Oh and I suppose an abortion is far better for a woman's health, you know all that mental anguish and stuff is way better than bigger hips and some extra weight. So,you're saying a woman who gets an abortion is childish and doesn't want the extra weight? huh? 
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Really? You stood by her decision with honor and respect? Then woudnt you be making a point of STATING that very fact on forum instead of continuously whining about a past pregnancy that she CHOSE not to carry to term? All I am and several others have done here is called you on your selfish and immature behavior. You want us to feel sympathy. Maybe some will, but I certainly wont. Stop attempting to explain and re-explain your argument. I understand exactly what went down and the position you are taking now and I disagree which is my prerogative. It is a WOMAN'S BODY and HER DECISION. What is so terribly difficult for you to understand here as it relates to human dignity and autonomy? You as a male surely have come to expect this right in your day to day life. I see no difference except that women are very often subjugated throughout the world both historically and in our modern society. As a male, it would never even cross your mind to expect any less than the right to control your own body irregardless of the selfish needs and desires of others. You are a sperm donor. Thats it. When two consenting adults engage in sexual intercourse and a pregnancy occurs, regardless of circumstance or what took place exactly, the woman is now left with that burden. She can either decide to have that child or not. It is obviously not an easy task to carry and deliver a baby. It has PERMANENT physiological repercussions on a woman's body. If you dont want to face the potential risk of involving yourself with child support then dont have sex! How incredibly insensitive and ignorant of you. You think because were male that we have no emotional investment in this at all? Your lack of consideration is astounding. When your in a relationship, and I'm not talking some one you just picked up at a bar, a real relationship both party's have the right to a say in a matter like that. Its an unfortunate situation for some women when they have an unwanted pregnancy but I'm afraid that at that point if they don't want the baby they need to look at adoption or giving up custody of the child to the other party in the relationship. After all it takes two to make a baby and the woman is just as responsible for the pregnancy as the man is. getting an abortion to me in that situation is simply taking the childish way out. You want to talk about human dignity and autonomy, what about that baby sure maybe at the point of an abortion it doesn't possess any such things, but what are you going to tell the next child you do keep? "You're lucky you didn't come first johnny, you'da wound up in the incinerator! you see daddy wanted to keep your sibling but mommy just wasn't ready for responsibility! Who knows why, maybe she wanted to save her vagina for a few more years, ah well run along son.". Course at that point that relationship would probably already have ended. Oh well. Oh and I suppose an abortion is far better for a woman's health, you know all that mental anguish and stuff way better than bigger hips and some extra weight. This is clearly an idiotic and emotionally based response. I NEVER said you have no emotional investment. I am accusing this ridiculous poster on forum of endless whining because his ex girlfriend CHOSE not to bring an unwanted pregnancy into this world which is HER HUMAN RIGHT. He now has three children of his own yet insists on dishonoring her decision based solely on his own selfish needs and desires. You have no way of knowing anything about my past or relationship history so that comment is argumentative and unresponsive. No you DO NOT sir have a right or a say in what I CHOOSE to do with my own body as it relates to pregnancy, labor, and birth. You absolutely can not insist that I give birth to a child simply because you donated some sperm. That was your biological role in the operation and now the female is stuck with the inconvenience, physiological manifestations and everything else that takes place over the course of developing a human inside your OWN BODY. Something that you will never be able to have any direct connection or association with. You obviously have no problem insisting that a woman MUST carry and support an unwanted pregnancy when you do not have the burden of carrying a child. Thats akin to someone sitting back in a lazy chair on their fat ass watching their slaves pick their cotton fields for them! Its absolutely shameful. You seem to care VERY little about the adult human female and her rights and autonomy. Where were all of you ridiculous right wing "pro-life" proponents back when abortion actually was criminalized and abortion became the number one killer of pregnant females. We certainly didnt hear you protesting for the rights of these women now did we? All you care about is these fetuses and its truly hypocritical. Not to mention that will you be adopting any of these unwanted babies? What about the ones born of mother's who are drug addicted and might have permanent medical and psychological problems thus rendering them non adoptable? How many rooms do you have in your home because you are now directly responsible for setting this problem in motion if you insist in taking the fundamental right of choice away from the women of this nation. |
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Edited by
Winx
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Tue 10/21/08 06:51 AM
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Really? You stood by her decision with honor and respect? Then woudnt you be making a point of STATING that very fact on forum instead of continuously whining about a past pregnancy that she CHOSE not to carry to term? All I am and several others have done here is called you on your selfish and immature behavior. You want us to feel sympathy. Maybe some will, but I certainly wont. Stop attempting to explain and re-explain your argument. I understand exactly what went down and the position you are taking now and I disagree which is my prerogative. It is a WOMAN'S BODY and HER DECISION. What is so terribly difficult for you to understand here as it relates to human dignity and autonomy? You as a male surely have come to expect this right in your day to day life. I see no difference except that women are very often subjugated throughout the world both historically and in our modern society. As a male, it would never even cross your mind to expect any less than the right to control your own body irregardless of the selfish needs and desires of others. You are a sperm donor. Thats it. When two consenting adults engage in sexual intercourse and a pregnancy occurs, regardless of circumstance or what took place exactly, the woman is now left with that burden. She can either decide to have that child or not. It is obviously not an easy task to carry and deliver a baby. It has PERMANENT physiological repercussions on a woman's body. If you dont want to face the potential risk of involving yourself with child support then dont have sex! How incredibly insensitive and ignorant of you. You think because were male that we have no emotional investment in this at all? Your lack of consideration is astounding. When your in a relationship, and I'm not talking some one you just picked up at a bar, a real relationship both party's have the right to a say in a matter like that. Its an unfortunate situation for some women when they have an unwanted pregnancy but I'm afraid that at that point if they don't want the baby they need to look at adoption or giving up custody of the child to the other party in the relationship. After all it takes two to make a baby and the woman is just as responsible for the pregnancy as the man is. getting an abortion to me in that situation is simply taking the childish way out. You want to talk about human dignity and autonomy, what about that baby sure maybe at the point of an abortion it doesn't possess any such things, but what are you going to tell the next child you do keep? "You're lucky you didn't come first johnny, you'da wound up in the incinerator! you see daddy wanted to keep your sibling but mommy just wasn't ready for responsibility! Who knows why, maybe she wanted to save her vagina for a few more years, ah well run along son.". Course at that point that relationship would probably already have ended. Oh well. Oh and I suppose an abortion is far better for a woman's health, you know all that mental anguish and stuff is way better than bigger hips and some extra weight. Wow!! Someone here doesn't think very highly of women. Yikes. "mommy just wasn't ready for responsibility! Who knows why, maybe she wanted to save her vagina for a few more years" "bigger hips and some extra weight". Do you realize that women have died during childbirth? It's not even about the extra weight!!! 
Not ready for the responsibility? You are obviously oblivious to the responsibilities that women have.
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I"m pro life inless it has to do with insest or rape. But that is my Opion and i don't judge others that think diff of me. Everyone has thier own opions and you can't judge someone when you don't know what thier siutaion is/was Um, I'm pretty sure that is called pro choice darling. I agree. Besides I hate that term "pro-life" It implies a false sense of righteousness. I prefer "anti-choice." 
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Really? You stood by her decision with honor and respect? Then woudnt you be making a point of STATING that very fact on forum instead of continuously whining about a past pregnancy that she CHOSE not to carry to term? All I am and several others have done here is called you on your selfish and immature behavior. You want us to feel sympathy. Maybe some will, but I certainly wont. Stop attempting to explain and re-explain your argument. I understand exactly what went down and the position you are taking now and I disagree which is my prerogative. It is a WOMAN'S BODY and HER DECISION. What is so terribly difficult for you to understand here as it relates to human dignity and autonomy? You as a male surely have come to expect this right in your day to day life. I see no difference except that women are very often subjugated throughout the world both historically and in our modern society. As a male, it would never even cross your mind to expect any less than the right to control your own body irregardless of the selfish needs and desires of others. You are a sperm donor. Thats it. When two consenting adults engage in sexual intercourse and a pregnancy occurs, regardless of circumstance or what took place exactly, the woman is now left with that burden. She can either decide to have that child or not. It is obviously not an easy task to carry and deliver a baby. It has PERMANENT physiological repercussions on a woman's body. If you dont want to face the potential risk of involving yourself with child support then dont have sex! How incredibly insensitive and ignorant of you. You think because were male that we have no emotional investment in this at all? Your lack of consideration is astounding. When your in a relationship, and I'm not talking some one you just picked up at a bar, a real relationship both party's have the right to a say in a matter like that. Its an unfortunate situation for some women when they have an unwanted pregnancy but I'm afraid that at that point if they don't want the baby they need to look at adoption or giving up custody of the child to the other party in the relationship. After all it takes two to make a baby and the woman is just as responsible for the pregnancy as the man is. getting an abortion to me in that situation is simply taking the childish way out. You want to talk about human dignity and autonomy, what about that baby sure maybe at the point of an abortion it doesn't possess any such things, but what are you going to tell the next child you do keep? "You're lucky you didn't come first johnny, you'da wound up in the incinerator! you see daddy wanted to keep your sibling but mommy just wasn't ready for responsibility! Who knows why, maybe she wanted to save her vagina for a few more years, ah well run along son.". Course at that point that relationship would probably already have ended. Oh well. Oh and I suppose an abortion is far better for a woman's health, you know all that mental anguish and stuff is way better than bigger hips and some extra weight. Wow , that is the biggest load of bull**** Ive read in a few posts.. Lets address what you said one idiotic opinion at a time shall we.... No one said you didnt have an emotional investment in it all.. but let me tell you something its NOTHING compared to the emotional investment a WOMAN has... Getting an abortion is the childish way out...yet another unfounded unintelligent comment...read some abortion stats and find out who does it and why before you start thinking you know everything.. (obviously NOT the case) What are you going to tell the next child you keep? NOTHING!!!! Its not dinner table conversation. Its an extremely personal, emotional, decision. Not something you discuss with children... Do you have children btw??? Do you have a uterus?? Are you able to carry a baby 40 weeks inside of your body??? I think the chances of a woman having an abortion to avoid gaining weight is STUPID!!!!!!!! 1 in a trillion... |
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Really? You stood by her decision with honor and respect? Then woudnt you be making a point of STATING that very fact on forum instead of continuously whining about a past pregnancy that she CHOSE not to carry to term? All I am and several others have done here is called you on your selfish and immature behavior. You want us to feel sympathy. Maybe some will, but I certainly wont. Stop attempting to explain and re-explain your argument. I understand exactly what went down and the position you are taking now and I disagree which is my prerogative. It is a WOMAN'S BODY and HER DECISION. What is so terribly difficult for you to understand here as it relates to human dignity and autonomy? You as a male surely have come to expect this right in your day to day life. I see no difference except that women are very often subjugated throughout the world both historically and in our modern society. As a male, it would never even cross your mind to expect any less than the right to control your own body irregardless of the selfish needs and desires of others. You are a sperm donor. Thats it. When two consenting adults engage in sexual intercourse and a pregnancy occurs, regardless of circumstance or what took place exactly, the woman is now left with that burden. She can either decide to have that child or not. It is obviously not an easy task to carry and deliver a baby. It has PERMANENT physiological repercussions on a woman's body. If you dont want to face the potential risk of involving yourself with child support then dont have sex! How incredibly insensitive and ignorant of you. You think because were male that we have no emotional investment in this at all? Your lack of consideration is astounding. When your in a relationship, and I'm not talking some one you just picked up at a bar, a real relationship both party's have the right to a say in a matter like that. Its an unfortunate situation for some women when they have an unwanted pregnancy but I'm afraid that at that point if they don't want the baby they need to look at adoption or giving up custody of the child to the other party in the relationship. After all it takes two to make a baby and the woman is just as responsible for the pregnancy as the man is. getting an abortion to me in that situation is simply taking the childish way out. You want to talk about human dignity and autonomy, what about that baby sure maybe at the point of an abortion it doesn't possess any such things, but what are you going to tell the next child you do keep? "You're lucky you didn't come first johnny, you'da wound up in the incinerator! you see daddy wanted to keep your sibling but mommy just wasn't ready for responsibility! Who knows why, maybe she wanted to save her vagina for a few more years, ah well run along son.". Course at that point that relationship would probably already have ended. Oh well. Oh and I suppose an abortion is far better for a woman's health, you know all that mental anguish and stuff is way better than bigger hips and some extra weight. Wow...I have said some pretty shallow things... But this is the WORST I have ever seen! Seriously...grow up |
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ok lets all start fresh shall we? lol. i am pro-choice. whos next? :)
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Really? You stood by her decision with honor and respect? Then woudnt you be making a point of STATING that very fact on forum instead of continuously whining about a past pregnancy that she CHOSE not to carry to term? All I am and several others have done here is called you on your selfish and immature behavior. You want us to feel sympathy. Maybe some will, but I certainly wont. Stop attempting to explain and re-explain your argument. I understand exactly what went down and the position you are taking now and I disagree which is my prerogative. It is a WOMAN'S BODY and HER DECISION. What is so terribly difficult for you to understand here as it relates to human dignity and autonomy? You as a male surely have come to expect this right in your day to day life. I see no difference except that women are very often subjugated throughout the world both historically and in our modern society. As a male, it would never even cross your mind to expect any less than the right to control your own body irregardless of the selfish needs and desires of others. You are a sperm donor. Thats it. When two consenting adults engage in sexual intercourse and a pregnancy occurs, regardless of circumstance or what took place exactly, the woman is now left with that burden. She can either decide to have that child or not. It is obviously not an easy task to carry and deliver a baby. It has PERMANENT physiological repercussions on a woman's body. If you dont want to face the potential risk of involving yourself with child support then dont have sex! How incredibly insensitive and ignorant of you. You think because were male that we have no emotional investment in this at all? Your lack of consideration is astounding. When your in a relationship, and I'm not talking some one you just picked up at a bar, a real relationship both party's have the right to a say in a matter like that. Its an unfortunate situation for some women when they have an unwanted pregnancy but I'm afraid that at that point if they don't want the baby they need to look at adoption or giving up custody of the child to the other party in the relationship. After all it takes two to make a baby and the woman is just as responsible for the pregnancy as the man is. getting an abortion to me in that situation is simply taking the childish way out. You want to talk about human dignity and autonomy, what about that baby sure maybe at the point of an abortion it doesn't possess any such things, but what are you going to tell the next child you do keep? "You're lucky you didn't come first johnny, you'da wound up in the incinerator! you see daddy wanted to keep your sibling but mommy just wasn't ready for responsibility! Who knows why, maybe she wanted to save her vagina for a few more years, ah well run along son.". Course at that point that relationship would probably already have ended. Oh well. Oh and I suppose an abortion is far better for a woman's health, you know all that mental anguish and stuff is way better than bigger hips and some extra weight. Wow...I have said some pretty shallow things... But this is the WORST I have ever seen! Seriously...grow up I agree Jim. This poster made some terrible remarks. It was clearly an emotional and retaliatory response and not based in any kind of logic or rationalization. |
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c'mon lets start fresh, no more arguing it all,ok? weve all even agreed on pro-choice! there aint a lifer posting! lol.
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There has been several pro-lifers. Also that whiny guy but I forget his nick. I would have to scroll back. The one from Alabama who is resentful of his exes decision to abort though he claims he "supported her"
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come on now, were all entitled to our opinions. even if you feel its wrong what he says has merit to HIM.
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come on now, were all entitled to our opinions. even if you feel its wrong what he says has merit to HIM. Oh I know. I never implied otherwise. |
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for me. it hurts to think if i were in a relationship with one of oyu women, my opinion on this would mean absolutely nothing, women have a wonderful ability that when coupled with men they make new humans a life. i love having a choice and if i were w oman i would want that freedom, but just constantly saying we dont get it , or , its not our bodies isnt constructive to making men feel like theyre a part of your life or even in the equation, we might as well be sperm banks by you guys' reckoning. thats kind of painful to hear.
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for me. it hurts to think if i were in a relationship with one of oyu women, my opinion on this would mean absolutely nothing, women have a wonderful ability that when coupled with men they make new humans a life. i love having a choice and if i were w oman i would want that freedom, but just constantly saying we dont get it , or , its not our bodies isnt constructive to making men feel like theyre a part of your life or even in the equation, we might as well be sperm banks by you guys' reckoning. thats kind of painful to hear. I never made that comment. Not sure who did. Im sure some women feel that way. Not all of course. I feel we need to have male opinions and feedback on the matter because many of the politicians and supreme court justices who will have to decide these issues are in fact male. |
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im pretty sure every woman BUT you said that in so many words,lol.
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im pretty sure every woman BUT you said that in so many words,lol. No, not every woman. |
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im pretty sure every woman BUT you said that in so many words,lol. Well I think the female perspective is that it is our bodies. Of course Im 36 now so Im not having children but I still feel strongly that the right to choice is very important. It would be a huge step backward for women if we were to lose this right. However the worst that could happen is certain states may limit the abortion procedure and in what cases. Then you cross state lines. The legislation will fall under state jurisdiction I think but Im not certain on that. Im guessing that because a couple states have already put limits on it. |
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i love owmen and teir bodies. dont egt me wrong. i just would like ot know im appreciated and more than just a bank card or sperm donor.
oh and for future reference lily is an idiot. i never said i wouldnt for obama cause hes black, i said too many are voting for him only because he is. |
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