Ok I had to laugh at Va Beach being descibed as a "faded seaside resort" What the hell is that about?

Have you been there lately? Unfortunately, it's a pretty apt description in a lot of ways.

Oh really? Ex navy wife here that knows better. That may be on the books, but certainly isn't enforced unless thier are other reasons they want you out.

Actully it's been about 8 years, what happened? Is the 700 club still there?

Just saw the time,need to go to work, I'll check in later Suzy. Have a nice afternoon everyone.

Don't know, never been there. It's just kind of headed downhill. Not being kept up so well. We go there for day trips, the occasional short weekend (one night) but I wouldn't go for longer than that, not much there anymore and what is, is not so great. Beach is still nice, though.

Duh she didnt file for divorce

McCain lost five U.S. Navy aircraft.


Navy pilot John Sidney McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.

His father John S. "Junior" McCain was commander of U.S. forces in Europe later becoming commander of American forces in Vietnam while McCain III was being held prisoner of war. McCain III's grandfather John S. McCain, Sr. commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.

During his relative short stunt on flight status, McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft, four in accidents and one in combat.

Robert Timberg, author of The Nightingale's Song, a book about Annapolis graduates and their tours in Vietnam, wrote that McCain "learned to fly at Pensacola, though his performance was below par, at best good enough to get by. He liked flying, but didn't love it."

McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings. He was knocked unconscious by the impact coming to as the plane settled to the bottom.

McCain's second crash occurred while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. "Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula," Timberg wrote, "he took out some power lines [reminiscent of the 1998 incident in which a Marine Corps jet sliced through the cables of a gondola at an Italian ski resort, killing 20] which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral."

McCain's third crash three occurred when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game.

Timberg reported that McCain radioed, "I've got a flameout" and went through standard relight procedures three times before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain landed on a deserted beach moments before the plane slammed into a clump of trees.

McCain's fourth aircraft loss occurred July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot. While seated in the cockpit of his aircraft waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain's plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.

McCain's fifth loss happened during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, when McCain's A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. McCain ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi.

After being drug from the lake, a mob gathered around McCain, spit on him, kicked him and stripped him of his clothing. He was bayoneted in his left foot and his shoulder crushed by a rifle butt. He was then transported to the Hoa Lo Prison, also known as the Hanoi Hilton.

After being periodically slapped around for "three or four days" by his captors who wanted military information, McCain called for an officer on his fourth day of captivity. He told the officer, "O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital." -U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain.

"Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant." Page 193-194, Faith of My Fathers by John McCain.

When the communist learned that McCain's father was Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific, he was rushed to Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable for U.S. POWs.

The communist Vietnamese figured, because POW McCain's father was of such high military rank, that he was of royalty or the governing circle. Thereafter the communist bragged that they had captured "the crown prince."

For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals.

"McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat," explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs -- the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam since the 1973 fall of Saigon. "Since McCain got 28 medals," Bell continues, "that equals out to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I'm sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down."

For years, McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator, has managed to gloss over his failures as a pilot and collaborations with the enemy by exaggerating his military service and lying about his feats of heroism.

McCain has sprouted a halo and wings to become America's POW-hero presidential candidate.


JOHN MCCAIN was directly responsible for the
DEATHS of
FELLOW AMERICAN PILOTS in VIETNAM
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The War Secrets Senator John McCain Hides
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Laws may vary, but she may not have been legally able to file for a divorce. In cases of missing persons, you usually have to wait anywhere from 5 to 7 years. Given that this was a military thing, laws may be different but you'd have to do some research to find out if she COULD have, if she wanted to.

now, something like THAT (if true) is something to shake your head about and change your vote to obama.

It's not about leaving his wife. It's about having a gf while he was married and preaching family values. It's being a hypocrite.

I found this. It explains some time.

In 1979 – while still married to Carol – he met Cindy at a cocktail party in Hawaii. Over the next six months he pursued her, flying around the country to see her. Then he began to push to end his marriage. He married Cindy right after the divorce.

kinda like clinton

all the clinton should run again backers

should vote mccain then

I missed have missed something back then.

I didn't see Clinton running for President and preaching family and Christian values.

Oh I dont know why I bother Obama allready has it in the bag anyhow.

Thank you. If this is, indeed, accurate then it puts things into a different perspective regarding his morals and integrity. However, if the sole reason he left his wife was because of her accident, I think perhaps he did her a favor. I know I wouldn't want to be with someone if the only reason they were there was a sense of obligation. But, that still wouldn't excuse an affair, if one did occur.

Oh she was also rich asides from being a hotty, you can of course draw your own conclusions

Oh she was also rich asides from being a hotty, you can of course draw your own conclusions


Thank you for giving me permission to draw my own conclusions

My conclusion is this. There isn't enough factual information out there, there's a lot of speculation, a lot of gossip and a lot of conclusion drawn from that. But, no real fact, as none of us lived in their home and no what really went on.

I personally do not think there's a politician alive whose morals, ethics, principles and integrity aren't in question for one reason or another.

I'm not questioning the veracity of the reports. I'm just saying that there are lots and lots of shades of gray and all we get to see is the black and white.

And I wouldn't vote for McCain if he were running against the devil himself, regardless of his morals or lack thereof.

I think that CSI could solve this case in one episode with the evidence available. Paint a big red "A" on his chest and run him out of town

and what does that prove

it proves she did not file

you do not know what she did while she was waiting

who knows if or how many affairs may or may not of taken place