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S1owhand slowly posted the following:
the Abrahamic god does not have to be considered in this way unless you take a literal interpretation of the bible or quran which is wholly unnecessary and limiting there is nothing to prevent the Abrahamic god from being considered to be equivalent to a pantheistic interpretation of god - they may be considered the same - as long as one does not insist on a literal view of these early theological writings. the notion of sacrifice may be considered to be allegorical. it is much more interesting and appropriate to treat the bible and quran as metaphorical. then "scary stories" can be used to teach a moral lesson or serve to spark debate. sort of like the fables "the boy who cried wolf" or more gruesome "hansel and gretel" the value of the lessons do not lie in a literal interpretation of the wolf or the witch. so - what's the big deal? 
Sure, I have no problem with the Bible being taken allegorically. But let's face it, this is not the way the bulk of Christians teach it. Not only that, but how many "Christians" are going to accept that the virgin birth of Jesus, and his ressurection are mere allegories? I think it's pretty hard to accept the Bible as allegories and try to claim that Jesus was actually the divine son of God sent via a virgin birth to pay for our sins. It's pretty much an 'all or nothing' religion isn't it? If you take the whole thing as an allegory, then you'd have to fit the story of Jesus in as an allegory too. That would imply that Jesus never even really lived but rather the whole story is just an allegory. I think from a personal religious point of view individuals could get value from that. In fact, I would love to see a new religion created where people basically tossed out the Old Testament as a total fraud. Then took just the moral teachings of Jesus, and the moral teachings of Buddha and create a whole new religion just based on the moral teachings of these men. Then they could have a standard of morals that isn't attached to jusitifcations for bigotry. If Christians actually followed the teachings of Christ instead of contantly using the Old Testament to club people over the head with it might not be a bad religion. Also Jesus told people not to Judge others, yet almost EVERY Christian will Judge anyone who doesn't view Jesus as God, as being "unsaved" or even impure of heart! Well, damn! There's a really HUGE judgement right there! What a bunch of hypocrites! The very first thing any follow of Christ should do is learn not to judge others on any level, and that INCLUDES whether or not they believe that Jesus was God! well i have always taken it as basically allegory although it is perfectly believable that the various people of the bible really existed. actually i find it easier to accept the old testament as metaphor without the new testament. but jesus can be rationalized as a man who embodied godliness and in that sense divine. the virginity of his birth not literally that he had no biological father but that the essence of him was divine exceeding the merely biological. i'll admit it is a stretch but it is doable. i think a lot of christians think this way although there are also many who will insist on literal interpretation which i personally cannot abide. |
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I get told I am going to hell on average about 7-8 times a day.I have received hate mail and death threats. I have been called a Witch, a whore, viper, swine...the list goes on. I dont care. It makes no difference. I still have the right to ask questions. Its a free electronic relay interface open to users worldwide. If anyone is upset by this, then perhaps one of the many other forums would be better suited to their sensibilities. YOU TOO???? Hey that's great!!! At least I am not going to be on my own! The usual suspects normally get to fill my inbox with stuff trying to save me, convert me and then condemn me. I think its hilarious. |
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I'll try to find early post where christians called me a nazi demon from hell, a heritic, a stealer of childrens souls, and a continous reference of being a troll. and yes it was some christians who called her a witch. You HAVE to love those "loving" xtians! After all most of them have "intimate" knowledge of how the old boy upstairs thinks, so they know we are going to be playing "pass the sun-tan oil" down the firey pits of hell and be damned! |
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I'll try to find early post where christians called me a nazi demon from hell, a heritic, a stealer of childrens souls, and a continous reference of being a troll. and yes it was some christians who called her a witch. You HAVE to love those "loving" xtians! After all most of them have "intimate" knowledge of how the old boy upstairs thinks, so they know we are going to be playing "pass the sun-tan oil" down the firey pits of hell and be damned! |
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The Bible is a picture of God created by humans who lived in the Mediterranean area. This picture of God is strikingly similar to all the other mythologies of the region including Greek mythology. They all asked for blood sacrifices as appeasements for various reasons. The Biblical picture of God is no exception. In fact, the Biblical picture of God is founded on the idea of blood sacrifices to pay for sins, this is the very basis of the sacrificial lamb of God in Jesus Christ. Now the Bible claims that God is all-wise, and unchanging. But then it goes on to tell stories that don't support these premises. Some people claim that there is a devil named Satan who is competing for the souls that God creates. It has been said that Satan has a bet with God that he can turn all mankind against God. But wait! Didn't Satan already basically win that bet at the great flood? God seems to have cheated Satan out of his victory by flushing away all the souls that Satan won and starting the game anew with just a handful of righteous people. God was clearly the loser in that first round. God lost all those souls that he had created. So what happens next? Satan seems to once again get the upper hand in the game turning people against God supposedly. So God once again has to take action. This time he tries a new approach and sends his only begotten son to die for the sins of man. Evidently that didn't work either since sin seems to still be with us in the world even today, over 2000 years later! The Bible even claims that Jesus said that very few will make it to heaven. Well, if that's true then the bulk of humanity is hell-bound. What does this say about God? This says that God is a big time loser! He loses the vast majority of souls that he creates! The Bible clearly depicts God as being an big time loser, by its own proclamations! Jesus said that only few will make it into heaven. That means that the vast majority will be lost. The Biblical picture of God is a picture of a God who loses much more than it wins. Why would anyone want to worship a God that is a proven loser by the very book that claims to be his word? Also, what does this say about the Biblical God's ability to create souls? If the vast major of souls that he creates are lost to Satan, then God isn't creating very good souls. Maybe he should go back to the drawing board and wait until he has a better design? This story is any more credible that the stories of Zeus, Apollo, and all the other ancient Mediterranean Gods. It was written by men. It was clearly not written by any all-wise supreme being capable of creating this entire universe. The god depicted in the Bible is thoroughly inept. As humans we would be nothing more than the victims of a totally inept creator! The Bible even claims that we can't become righteous on our own power! Well duh? If that's true it can only be because we weren't given the proper attributes at the onset by our creator. Clearly not our fault. The Bible holds us hostage as victims to a completely inept God, and then tries to make us feel guilty about it. It's the ultimate guilt trip. But it's such a farce. Even if the story was true we wouldn't be guilty of anything other than having been created by a completely inept God! Why are so many people so bent on keeping this stupid myth alive? It's clearly the heinous work of men. We need to get past this absurdity and move on to something more positive. the Abrahamic god does not have to be considered in this way unless you take a literal interpretation of the bible or quran which is wholly unnecessary and limiting there is nothing to prevent the Abrahamic god from being considered to be equivalent to a pantheistic interpretation of god - they may be considered the same - as long as one does not insist on a literal view of these early theological writings. the notion of sacrifice may be considered to be allegorical. it is much more interesting and appropriate to treat the bible and quran as metaphorical. then "scary stories" can be used to teach a moral lesson or serve to spark debate. sort of like the fables "the boy who cried wolf" or more gruesome "hansel and gretel" the value of the lessons do not lie in a literal interpretation of the wolf or the witch. so - what's the big deal?
It shouldn't be a big deal. If people want to look upon these fables as allegory and metaphor and feel they need them in order to make a distinction between right and wrong, then there should be no problem. Of course dont let any of the Fundamentalist Christians hear you willfully espousing such blasphemy or they will stone your ass.
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No where in the "bible" does it state that God is a loser! It does state that lucifer should not try his plan, that he had already lost!
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No where in the "bible" does it state that God is a loser! It does state that lucifer should not try his plan, that he had already lost! Its been clearly shown to u thru this thread, if u r not of the untelligence to understand wats been said to u, dont keep coming back with crappy lil posts that dont back up wat ur sayin. |
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No where in the "bible" does it state that God is a loser! It does state that lucifer should not try his plan, that he had already lost! Its been clearly shown to u thru this thread, if u r not of the untelligence to understand wats been said to u, dont keep coming back with crappy lil posts that dont back up wat ur sayin. |
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No where in the "bible" does it state that God is a loser! It does state that lucifer should not try his plan, that he had already lost! Its been clearly shown to u thru this thread, if u r not of the untelligence to understand wats been said to u, dont keep coming back with crappy lil posts that dont back up wat ur sayin.
At least my posts r thought out, not just a childish reaction when i dont know wat to say! |
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No where in the "bible" does it state that God is a loser! It does state that lucifer should not try his plan, that he had already lost! Its been clearly shown to u thru this thread, if u r not of the untelligence to understand wats been said to u, dont keep coming back with crappy lil posts that dont back up wat ur sayin. Errrr could I have that in Engrish, prease???? 
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No where in the "bible" does it state that God is a loser! It does state that lucifer should not try his plan, that he had already lost! Its been clearly shown to u thru this thread, if u r not of the untelligence to understand wats been said to u, dont keep coming back with crappy lil posts that dont back up wat ur sayin. Errrr could I have that in Engrish, prease????
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not true god is not a loser.
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I have had my doubts, who doesn't? But as for God being a loser I don't agree. God gives us all free choice which is what you are exercising right now. It is your choice in what you believe. We don't have to agree but we shouldn't put down anyone else's beliefs. I personally know people even in my own family that say they are Christians but sure don't act that way. God is a God of Love not hate. The Bible does talk of his righteous anger. Have you ever been angry for a good reason? We are made in his image so our feelings came from him. I'm sorry that there are so many hypocrites in this world but let's be honest, it isn't just Christians. Every religion has this problem. We are human and no one is perfect or has all the answers. My personal opinion is that a few of the posts here have taken the Bible out of context and used it to further there own belief. Again, my personal opinion. Who am I to say who is right or wrong. I do believe that evil exists and uses whatever means necessary to destroy.
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not true god is not a loser. Based upon what? |
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No where in the "bible" does it state that God is a loser! It does state that lucifer should not try his plan, that he had already lost! Its been clearly shown to u thru this thread, if u r not of the untelligence to understand wats been said to u, dont keep coming back with crappy lil posts that dont back up wat ur sayin.
At least my posts r thought out, not just a childish reaction when i dont know wat to say! maybe thought out, i cannot call that... but surely not organized, look at yourself before you tell people how to act.. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Mon 10/13/08 03:27 AM
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Oh and this comment coming from the guy that about a month ago said that we would "discuss" the causes for stoning found in the Old Testament. You ran away. Have you managed to "organize your own thoughts" yet on that subject matter?
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