Topic: Chavez crackpot Remarks..
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Sun 09/28/08 09:59 AM
Edited by quiet_2008 on Sun 09/28/08 10:01 AM
and some are foolish enough to believe that

the people who continue to frame their whole worldview in a liberal/neocon culture war are going to be left behind

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Sun 09/28/08 10:04 AM

and some are foolish enough to believe that

the people who continue to frame their whole worldview in a liberal/neocon culture war are going to be left behind
There are 68 million acres of offshore leases not being used by the oil industry that is a fact. a moments of googling will confirm this.

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Sun 09/28/08 10:06 AM
What I gathered from what I saw on the news....

Venezuela and Russia are joining forces so to to build an alliance against the U.S. Russia and Venezuela are showing military force in the Caribbean as we speak. It was said that it is mostly to irritate the U.S., but I don't know. They also said that Venezuela is borrowing money from Russia to purchase weapons from Russia. Also that Russia is sharing Nuclear technology with Venezuela. Russia is also building more refineries to accommodate the oil from Venezuela to decrease their dependence on the U.S.

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Sun 09/28/08 10:07 AM
Edited by quiet_2008 on Sun 09/28/08 10:09 AM


and some are foolish enough to believe that

the people who continue to frame their whole worldview in a liberal/neocon culture war are going to be left behind
There are 68 million acres of offshore leases not being used by the oil industry that is a fact. a moments of googling will confirm this.


hahahahaha and under most of that land there is NO oil. You have to lease land to explore it. If you don't find oil you don't drill. But you still have the lease


pleeeeeeease say something new and stop parroting old worn out talking points

madisonman's photo
Sun 09/28/08 10:09 AM



and some are foolish enough to believe that

the people who continue to frame their whole worldview in a liberal/neocon culture war are going to be left behind
There are 68 million acres of offshore leases not being used by the oil industry that is a fact. a moments of googling will confirm this.


hahahahaha and under most of that land there is NO oil. You have to lease land to explore it. If you don't find oil you don't drill. But you still have the lease
so who is to say there is oil under the rest of it? I suppose you dont know untill you drill yet they do not use 68 million acres that are available.

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Sun 09/28/08 10:10 AM

What I gathered from what I saw on the news....

Venezuela and Russia are joining forces so to to build an alliance against the U.S. Russia and Venezuela are showing military force in the Caribbean as we speak. It was said that it is mostly to irritate the U.S., but I don't know. They also said that Venezuela is borrowing money from Russia to purchase weapons from Russia. Also that Russia is sharing Nuclear technology with Venezuela. Russia is also building more refineries to accommodate the oil from Venezuela to decrease their dependence on the U.S.


yup, passing us by while we're still too busy fighting over whether Bush sucks or liberals are evil

madisonman's photo
Sun 09/28/08 10:12 AM
Oil and gas companies hold leases to 68 million acres of federal land and waters that
currently are NOT producing oil or gas, according to the Minerals Management Service
(MMS) and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM).
• 81% of estimated oil and gas resources on federal lands and the Outer Continental Shelf
(OCS) are available for development.
• These reserves are equal to 107 billion barrels of oil and 658 trillion cubic feet of natural
gas -- and are 10 times the amount of the economically recoverable oil that could be
produced from opening up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), and more than
14 years of current U.S. oil consumption (7.5 billion barrels per year). http://majorityleader.house.gov/docUploads/energy-onepager-june2008.pdf

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Sun 09/28/08 10:15 AM




and some are foolish enough to believe that

the people who continue to frame their whole worldview in a liberal/neocon culture war are going to be left behind
There are 68 million acres of offshore leases not being used by the oil industry that is a fact. a moments of googling will confirm this.


hahahahaha and under most of that land there is NO oil. You have to lease land to explore it. If you don't find oil you don't drill. But you still have the lease
so who is to say there is oil under the rest of it? I suppose you dont know untill you drill yet they do not use 68 million acres that are available.


oh

you don't know anything about oil bidness do you

would YOU commit to spending $10 million dollars to drill somewhere that you didnt KNOW there was oil? you don't spend millions of dollars in equuipment time and labor to drill somewhere unless you KNOW there will be oil there

madisonman's photo
Sun 09/28/08 10:16 AM

Oil and gas companies hold leases to 68 million acres of federal land and waters that
currently are NOT producing oil or gas, according to the Minerals Management Service
(MMS) and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM).
• 81% of estimated oil and gas resources on federal lands and the Outer Continental Shelf
(OCS) are available for development.
• These reserves are equal to 107 billion barrels of oil and 658 trillion cubic feet of natural
gas -- and are 10 times the amount of the economically recoverable oil that could be
produced from opening up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), and more than
14 years of current U.S. oil consumption (7.5 billion barrels per year). http://majorityleader.house.gov/docUploads/energy-onepager-june2008.pdf
please read this and be a little more informed and feel free to check other sources as well. I am out have a nice day

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Sun 09/28/08 10:18 AM
Here's a link confirming Russia gave Venezuela 1 billion dollar line of credit to buy weapons to strengthen their military alliance when relations between Russia and the U.S. are worsening.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/09/26/russia.chavez/index.html

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Sun 09/28/08 10:19 AM
Edited by quiet_2008 on Sun 09/28/08 10:21 AM


Oil and gas companies hold leases to 68 million acres of federal land and waters that
currently are NOT producing oil or gas, according to the Minerals Management Service
(MMS) and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM).
• 81% of estimated oil and gas resources on federal lands and the Outer Continental Shelf
(OCS) are available for development.
• These reserves are equal to 107 billion barrels of oil and 658 trillion cubic feet of natural
gas -- and are 10 times the amount of the economically recoverable oil that could be
produced from opening up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), and more than
14 years of current U.S. oil consumption (7.5 billion barrels per year). http://majorityleader.house.gov/docUploads/energy-onepager-june2008.pdf
please read this and be a little more informed and feel free to check other sources as well. I am out have a nice day


hahaha condescending people amuse me

I grew up in the oilfield and know more about the subject than you will be able to google in a week

madisonman's photo
Sun 09/28/08 10:21 AM

Here's a link confirming Russia gave Venezuela 1 billion dollar line of credit to buy weapons to strengthen their military alliance when relations between Russia and the U.S. are worsening.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/09/26/russia.chavez/index.html
The era of American dominance is over
by John Gray

Our gaze might be on the markets melting down, but the upheaval we are experiencing is more than a financial crisis, however large. Here is a historic geopolitical shift, in which the balance of power in the world is being altered irrevocably. The era of American global leadership, reaching back to the Second World War, is over.

You can see it in the way America's dominion has slipped away in its own backyard, with Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez taunting and ridiculing the superpower with impunity. Yet the setback of America's standing at the global level is even more striking. With the nationalisation of crucial parts of the financial system, the American free-market creed has self-destructed while countries that retained overall control of markets have been vindicated. In a change as far-reaching in its implications as the fall of the Soviet Union, an entire model of government and the economy has collapsed.

Ever since the end of the Cold War, successive American administrations have lectured other countries on the necessity of sound finance. Indonesia, Thailand, Argentina and several African states endured severe cuts in spending and deep recessions as the price of aid from the International Monetary Fund, which enforced the American orthodoxy. China in particular was hectored relentlessly on the weakness of its banking system. But China's success has been based on its consistent contempt for Western advice and it is not Chinese banks that are currently going bust. How symbolic yesterday that Chinese astronauts take a spacewalk while the US Treasury Secretary is on his knees.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/09/28

madisonman's photo
Sun 09/28/08 10:22 AM



Oil and gas companies hold leases to 68 million acres of federal land and waters that
currently are NOT producing oil or gas, according to the Minerals Management Service
(MMS) and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM).
• 81% of estimated oil and gas resources on federal lands and the Outer Continental Shelf
(OCS) are available for development.
• These reserves are equal to 107 billion barrels of oil and 658 trillion cubic feet of natural
gas -- and are 10 times the amount of the economically recoverable oil that could be
produced from opening up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), and more than
14 years of current U.S. oil consumption (7.5 billion barrels per year). http://majorityleader.house.gov/docUploads/energy-onepager-june2008.pdf
please read this and be a little more informed and feel free to check other sources as well. I am out have a nice day


hahaha condescending people amuse me

I grew up in the oilfield and know more about the subject than you will be able to google in a week
I am glad you feel your folksy wisdom has more relivance than cold hard facts and data.

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Sun 09/28/08 10:22 AM
EVERYTHING you know is googled

doesnt that scare you?

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Sun 09/28/08 10:24 AM
Edited by quiet_2008 on Sun 09/28/08 10:33 AM
by the way leave off the passive aggresive subtle little insults would ya?

AND its spelled "relevance"

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Sun 09/28/08 10:31 AM
People want to argue 20th century technology in the 21st century..Drilling is only a band aide at best..

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Sun 09/28/08 10:49 AM
I find it hard to believe if it were economically feasable to drill all this oil we are suppose to have access to that it would not have been done.

However; what I do know is I don't want oil companies like Halliburton up in one of the truely fragile eco systems we have screwing it up like I have seen them rape and pillage the midwestern oil fields. I can still remember where they went in drilled sloppy wells; poisoned livestock and water tables for miles, and when they drained the field or collasped the geo-formations they told little property owners to sue them if they could. Halliburton was so hated that they had to quit providing company trucks because when they were found unattended they were burned. The worst thing you could call someone was a Halliburton man and if a young woman dated one of their employees that reputation proceeded her in a very unflattering way. Having them covorting around the world scares the pajeezzus out of me and I knew we were in for a really long haul when their puppets were elected to the oval office.

The ONLY way we are going to get out from under all this to cut back radically on our utility use and stop paveing the one truely precious commodity we have FARMLAND. The thing Americans can not live without is food and we are importing more and more of it. We have destroyed so much of our farmland that a lot of our food is lacking in nutrition and we are poisoning them every time we have flooding which is IMHO because we have destroyed most of the water shed so that even minimal rain creates serious damage.

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Sun 09/28/08 10:51 AM

This coming from a lunatic control freak. Another reason why we Americans need to stick together. Has anyone fitted this guy for a straightjacket yet?


Chavez says crisis-hit U.S. needs new constitution

Reuters - Sunday, September 28LISBON, Sept 27 -
Venezuela's leftist President Hugo Chavez said on Saturday it was the capitalist system that had caused the financial crisis in the United States and the country should come up with a new constitution.

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Speaking to reporters in Lisbon on the last leg of a tour that included visits to China and Russia, he said: "I think the United States should start a constituent process to create a constituent assembly, a new truly democratic model."

A constituent assembly is a body elected to draft and sometimes adopt a new constitution.

"It was capitalism that caused the ruin" in the United States, said Chavez, who is one of Washington's fiercest critics, calling the financial crunch "the worst financial crisis in history".

"Let the U.S. empire end and let a great nation and great republic rise from the ruin ... It's time to shout 'Liberty!' again in the United States," Chavez said, calling for a new government to be free of the "dictatorship of the elite" such as big banks and corporations.

Critics accuse Chavez of running an authoritarian, Cuban-style regime in oil-rich Venezuela.

Chavez, who has signed various deals from weapons to energy this week in China and Russia also signed an agreement with Portugal's Socialist government on Saturday to buy 1 million ultra-cheap laptops for schools and 50,000 pre-fabricated houses in deals worth $3 billion.

They also signed a draft deal between Energias do Portugal <EDP.LS> and Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA for the development of a liquefied natural gas project from the Blanquilla Este reserve in northern Venezuela.

The computers, which the government started distributing in Portuguese primary schools this week at a subsidised price of 50 euros , will be delivered to Venezuela from December. They cost 285 euros in stores in Portugal.



http://sg.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080927/tbs-portugal-venezuela-usa-7318940.html


Oh your so right because us American are all about freedom and the rights to free speech.........Oops forgot about that we invaded a country to get OIL for our dependence ass population............oh and then the Furer (Bush) not only occupies Iraq but then he takes away our right to free speech by the Patriot Act.............carry on about Chavez I think im seeing the difference in political views more............

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Sun 09/28/08 10:56 AM
Edited by quiet_2008 on Sun 09/28/08 10:57 AM
.Oops forgot about that we invaded a country to get OIL for our dependence ass population.........


when?


and where IS all that oil?

Tanzkity's photo
Sun 09/28/08 11:00 AM

.Oops forgot about that we invaded a country to get OIL for our dependence ass population.........


when?


and where IS all that oil?


You must be smokin right.............are Americans so far gone that we are not even intuned with the real world............I will let you answer that but I will give you a hint.........Iraq and past Kuwait................but thats all the research im going to give you............its all in the books..............crack open one and stop reading wikepedia...............yawn yawn