I've been seeing science for and against evolution, just as many thoughts and theroies in the science community involving evolution it seems as there are in the religious community involving scripture, we therefore, must all, read, study and pray/strive that we can come to our own conclusions while trying to remain open minded, its a hard row to hoe.

If one is happy and content with their beliefs and mindsets on the Who, What, Whys and Wheres of things, then more power to you/them/us.

Rejoice and be happy in your beliefs, whatever they are. Share and discuss with all who want to do so, Respect each others beliefs, for it is theirs and you are not required to follow. Never condemn one who does not see as you do, but pray/strive/hope that you continue to learn and can share your knowledge with others in a positive way. And if a Christian, that Gods will be done, not yours, We can plant a seed, only God can make it grow

I would only add,

"also dont ask that people pray who dont pray."

c'mon man, she's not helping Satan. She has a very enquiring and analytical mind and when and if God touches her heart, that same mind will be just as strong in spreading Gods word and truth. One who doesn't know yet isn't evil, One who knows in their heart and then refuses God, this can be more evil

c'mon, cut me some slack this morning, wasn't suggesting a non believer pray, just those that choose to do so, how about pray, or hope as one sees fit

there, i did a re-write

I would rather get back to the topic honestly and enough of this crap brought on by Ark. He does this every morning.

Weellll Sharp, you are correct, She is not helping satan, even though that is what she said she was doing. Whatever satan does, God takes and turns around a thousand fold for the betterment of his kingdom! I will, continue to pray for myself as well as Krimsa, and you! love ya

You guys certainly dont need to speak as if I cant see you. If you feel the need to discuss such foolishness, take it private or something. Show some decorum.

What a heap of condescending crap!

Two people who ASSUME they know the whole ballgame before the plays.... and then decide if another poster is evil/satanic or not...just because she chooses not to buy into the whole religious propaganda crap!!!

Disgusting!

wow, all that cause I said I didn't believe someone was trying to help satan, geez, lighten up

was a reply to a comment made to the one that said it, sorry I didn't ask permission or something. don't know what assumptions ole Jess is speaking of . If I talk to someone else about a comment it is not that i am acting if you are not there, i was simply talking to someone else

I think its better dropped. This is what Ark does. He starts arguments. Just ignore it.

So. when did I assume to know the whole ballgame before it plays? I will state what I believe and things, but have never said, I have all the answers and you better believe me or else. I have never knocked anyone for not believing in God or Religion, haven't decided as to someone being evil or satanic, you read far more into the comment than was there. I am happy in my beliefs and hope you are as well.

no prob, i'm about to play vid games online anyway, just thought i'd look around a bit.

Hope your having a good evenin

Jess was speaking up and that was very nice of her but I feel the fault lies on Ark and not you. I am going to get the topic back on track. That is crap you posted Sharp. I am addressing Lucy next. When was this written, the 1950s??

LUCY



Here are some links to actually show what this thing looks like.

http://www.sacred-destinations.com/ethiopia/images/addis/resized/lucy2-cc-giustino.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lucy_(Frankfurt_am_Main).jpg


The two above are Lucy.

This is a chimp.

http://www.fallingpixel.com/products/5486/mains/Chimpanzee-skeleton1.jpg

Australopithicus afarensis is a recently discovered Hominid species which lived in north east Africa, in the Hadar region of Ethiopia). Until 1995, this species was the earliest known member of the Hominid family. Australopithicus afarensis lived from approximately 4 to 2.7 million years ago along the northern Rift valley of east Africa, and perhaps even earlier.

Fragments of more than 300 individuals of Australopithicus afarensis have been discovered so far, including a remarkably complete skeleton of an adult female (nick- named "Lucy") shown above and to the right. "Lucy" was found in 1974 near Hadar in Ethiopia. Her skeleton has provided a wealth of information about the ancestral line of human beings, some of it quite surprising. The illustration on the right shows "Lucy" in comparison with a modern human female. She was only about 3 feet, 8 inches tall. Males were somewhat taller and twice as robust.

A. afarensis is classified as an ape, not a human. It is a Hominid--that is, an ape closely related to human beings. In terms of overall body size, brain size and skull shape, "Lucy" resembles a chimpanzee. However, A. afarensis has some surprisingly human characteristics. For example, the way the hip joint and pelvis articulate indicates that "Lucy" walked upright like a human, not like a chimp . This means that upright posture and bi-pedalism preceded the development of what we would recognize as human beings and human intelligence. At near left is a reconstruction of Lucy's full skeleton.

Until 1994, A. afarensis was the earliest Hominid species yet discovered. At that time, remains of another species, tentatively called Australopithicus anamensis, was discovered in the Lake Turkana region of east Africa and appears contemporary with afarensis, dating to approximately 4.2 million years ago. A. anamensis is also an erect, bi-pedal species, and its discovery pushes direct evidence of our distinctive Hominid form of locomotion back to over 4 million years ago. The first studies of this species are still in progress and more information will be forthcoming. There is evidence that, contrary to previous assumptions, these early Hominids had developed bi-pedalism prior to the disappearance of woodlands and forests in eastern Africa--that is, our Hominid ancestors were by chance "pre-adapted" to the conditions of drier, more open country that came to prevail in eastern Africa later on. Even more interesting is a discovery in 1995 in Ethiopia, at Aramis, just south of Hadar, of a creature possibly ancestral to A. afarensis. Its teeth and other bones are even more chimp-like than "Lucy's" (A. afarensis). The species name for this creature is ramidus, after an Ethiopian word meaning "root." From the surviving bones, it is not possible to tell if ramidus was bi-pedal and therefore a Hominid australopithicine. It is still being intensively studied. Some scholars have proposed a new genus name, Ardipithicus, on the assumption that it was not bi-pedal. It appears that A. ramidus (whether properly named Ardipithicus or Australopithicus), lived in a forest environment.

The last several years have thus produced several dramatic finds which are likely to modify our view of Hominid evolution significantly when their implications are more fully understood.


Also, I have another point of contention with your article. In describing Lucy they act like oh my god! All they have is a mosaic of bones, we cant possibly piece this together. Oh for pete's sake. Ever heard of a matriculating skeleton? These people are not very sophisticated who post this nonsense. There is a significant lack of critical thinking skills demonstrated.

Talk abotu crap! know thyself first, then look around at the rest of the world!

So Im not allowed to look for the origins of humans (or any life) on earth. What if I am curious about these things? What if I studied them in school. Actually many of the biological sciences are interrelated. I dont expect you to have much interest in these things though.

You're allowed to do whatever you want to!

Thank you. I will do that. Hopefully I wont be stoned for it either.