You are heavyly leaning 'nut...', that has been observed, and they're
working on the theory !!!

Stay tuned!!!

As was I at first. Believe me when I say that skepticism has been my
greatest lead to the truth.

Ah, voileazur, but 'nut's feed the squirls giving them food for life.

This is great thought provoking interesting envolement, where is the
chat room?????

Hi there, sorry I've been away so long - but thought does go on with out
me. Wow - Voil, not many I've spoken with know anything about the
gnostic beliefs. I had to read your posts a couple times - very nice.
I think I'd like to add or disagree or maybe just offer an opinion about
the gnostics. I had to dig pretty deep to get info on this subject,
because at the time I was researching it there was barely an internet
and no such thing at google. So the library's offerings were what I
dealt with. However, I got the idea that the gnostics lived their
religion, like a culture, say the Japaneese. That was what kept me
interested in finding out more. With the Thomas Gospel several years
ago, making some news, there was even more information. Some even
linking the religion/culture and Thomas to the Essenes.
I don't think there is any real proof, only logical decuction.
Well that's all on that, just wanted to say, glad to hear you are a
Thomas reader and actually GET the gnostic view. Thanks.

Now for Net - I'm with Voil, was reading these posts furiously to see
where your scientific information came from. Did I miss it?

Many years ago I had a bible study group trying to prove to me that God
is - well whatever you believe the Bible says it is. One of the ways
they use to "prove" this is by pinpointing miracles in the Bible. So I
asked if they could pinpoint any miracles in real life, something
actually witnessed by one of them. Now a miracle is supposed to be
something that can never be repeated in a controlled environment. The
problem I had with their miracles was that would have been no way to
repeat them, because there were too many varying viewpoints of the
actual events. I for one do not see the miracles in nature, only the
unexplained.

So being unconvinced so far, Net, what can you offer me that would make
me EVEN question if there is a God?

Actually, there is some evidence that Lucy may have been an early nurse,
her head was found a mileaway from her body...clearly she was trying to
take the temperature of something big...

Well trans, there's a theory if I ever heard one.

Ah, fossils and scientific "facts" are like politicians, none of them
are really unquestionable, might as well poke fun at em.

Wasn't too long ago that the tomato was considered poisonous, the heart
was supposed to be the center of thought and the atom was the smallest
thing around...

Myself, I'm intrigued with granite halos. When granite is cut, it
produces a small reaction because it's radioactive. Granite is one of
the few minerals that doesn't form from anything, doesn't come from any
other state.

yup. granite is radioactive. so are you. i and everything actually, to
some extent. we couldent survive without it.

Has anyone ever heard of atomic vibration?? EVERYTHING can not be summed
up in just a few words on a post.

Doctrine of serpent's seed: Eve had sex with Satan who then became a
snake. We all have his evil blood. He is the missing link never to be
found- he was snaked.

www.geocities.com/sarcaphar

'Redykeulous',

to yours,

"... I think I'd like to add or disagree or maybe just offer an opinion
about the gnostics."


absolutely, in a context of EXPLORATION. I'm fascinated by the subject
as you seem to be, and far from being an expert, or a 'believer', or any
other form of cultish fanatic on the question. As I trust you might
share similar contextual views on the matter, I'd love to'EXPLORE' and
exchange notes on this one with you!!!

By the way, always wanted to slip-in the fact that I love your
Pseudonym!!! Profound convictions and brillant ability to defend them,
without taking any of it too seriously!!! Let's play!!!

this is a good topic. glad i posted it.

okay so creationists are ahead 1 to 0, and the evolutionists are behind.
so there.

Its hard for me to believe in a theory that itself is always
evolving to fit the lack of evidence for itself. also the astronomical
odds against it make it laughable in my opinion. theres your religion...
evolution.
Im not basing my opinion on faith, but good science. was once a
confirmed christian/ evolutionist... but i got over it when i really
studied the matter with an impartial eye.

look the monkeys are still ahead, so give it up for the monkeys, and let
them have some peace.

Duffy, if you want to end this duel, you have to load the gun!

To try to apply scientific reason to spirituality is the mistake I see
from page one to now. The two concepts are totaly alien, and it cant be
done. If you say, "they found human fossils with no resemblance to us
today." Religion can say, " maybe god put those fossils there for men to
find, so as to test the faith of his people." Science could not prove
this wasnt so, without first disproving Gods exsitence. How can you do
that, did he drop a coin, or lose a name tag off his robe that a
scientist might discover? You get the point dont you? If god exists or
not cannot be proved or disproved by science. You either have faith or
you have doubt, and that pretty much sums up my feelings about this
debate, Its a useless waste of time and energy.

I believe in evolution of the species AND I believe in creationism.

God created EVERYTHING. And most every species, over the centuries, has
evolved -- including man.

However, man evolved from earlier forms of man; we didn't evolve from
apes.

Arguing the TOE in order to disprove the existence of God is rather
lame, IMO.