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Well yeah. These are just guesses from both perspectives. I think where I was going with this is that the snake itself, if we can at least agree that it was a snake. Maybe it wasn't but we seem to feel it was. The snake was also associated with these Pre-Christian religions. I think we have established that beyond a shadow of a doubt here. So we have both sides. Its also possible that the snake (symbol of Paganism) was twisted and "dethroned" so to speak and associated with pure evil or Satan. Hmmm.   no, the snake symbolizes an earth god that was cast down by a skygod. SKY GOD?? Have you become native american MM?? awina didanuwisgi --- nuwadohiyadu -   Are you just kidding Tribo, or do you really not know what Im talking about? Im using the correct terminology. no im not kidding the first people have "sky god" but i doubt that is what your reffering to correct?  Im using academic terminology.
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MirrorMirror
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THE TRUE HISTORY OF RELIGION (in a nutshell).
In the begining, humans were hunter/gatherers. Humans were at the mercy of nature. Therefore, man found some aspects of nature to be beneficial and others to be harmful. Humans appealed to these phenomena for aid and mercy. These were the earth gods. When humans discovered agriculture and built the first permanent settlements, the weather became the most important and so man found new gods to worship; the sky gods. The sky gods supplanted the primitive earth gods. As time went by, one particular sky god became more popular than the others and eventually replaced all of the others. This is the One God of monotheism. And the rest is history. |
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tribo
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Well yeah. These are just guesses from both perspectives. I think where I was going with this is that the snake itself, if we can at least agree that it was a snake. Maybe it wasn't but we seem to feel it was. The snake was also associated with these Pre-Christian religions. I think we have established that beyond a shadow of a doubt here. So we have both sides. Its also possible that the snake (symbol of Paganism) was twisted and "dethroned" so to speak and associated with pure evil or Satan. Hmmm. no, the snake symbolizes an earth god that was cast down by a skygod. SKY GOD?? Have you become native american MM?? awina didanuwisgi --- nuwadohiyadu - Are you just kidding Tribo, or do you really not know what Im talking about? Im using the correct terminology. no im not kidding the first people have "sky god" but i doubt that is what your reffering to correct? Im using academic terminology. as long as you can sight your sources and give their credentials i will be more than happy to read it MM. |
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Which "academic terminology" Did you actually read that snippet on Goddess religion Mirror?
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Which "academic terminology" Did you actually read that snippet on Goddess religion Mirror? This is what I meant. Its not my opinion its the facts THE TRUE HISTORY OF RELIGION (in a nutshell). In the begining, humans were hunter/gatherers. Humans were at the mercy of nature. Therefore, man found some aspects of nature to be beneficial and others to be harmful. Humans appealed to these phenomena for aid and mercy. These were the earth gods. When humans discovered agriculture and built the first permanent settlements, the weather became the most important and so man found new gods to worship; the sky gods. The sky gods supplanted the primitive earth gods. As time went by, one particular sky god became more popular than the others and eventually replaced all of the others. This is the One God of monotheism. And the rest is history. |
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That is the second time you have posted the same thing....
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Well yeah. These are just guesses from both perspectives. I think where I was going with this is that the snake itself, if we can at least agree that it was a snake. Maybe it wasn't but we seem to feel it was. The snake was also associated with these Pre-Christian religions. I think we have established that beyond a shadow of a doubt here. So we have both sides. Its also possible that the snake (symbol of Paganism) was twisted and "dethroned" so to speak and associated with pure evil or Satan. Hmmm. no, the snake symbolizes an earth god that was cast down by a skygod. SKY GOD?? Have you become native american MM?? awina didanuwisgi --- nuwadohiyadu - Are you just kidding Tribo, or do you really not know what Im talking about? Im using the correct terminology. no im not kidding the first people have "sky god" but i doubt that is what your reffering to correct? Im using academic terminology. as long as you can sight your sources and give their credentials i will be more than happy to read it MM. Im just trying to help you folks out. Im showing you the big picture. THE TRUE HISTORY OF RELIGION (in a nutshell). In the begining, humans were hunter/gatherers. Humans were at the mercy of nature. Therefore, man found some aspects of nature to be beneficial and others to be harmful. Humans appealed to these phenomena for aid and mercy. These were the earth gods. When humans discovered agriculture and built the first permanent settlements, the weather became the most important and so man found new gods to worship; the sky gods. The sky gods supplanted the primitive earth gods. As time went by, one particular sky god became more popular than the others and eventually replaced all of the others. This is the One God of monotheism. And the rest is history. |
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MirrorMirror
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Which "academic terminology" Did you actually read that snippet on Goddess religion Mirror? This is what I meant. Its not my opinion its the facts THE TRUE HISTORY OF RELIGION (in a nutshell). In the begining, humans were hunter/gatherers. Humans were at the mercy of nature. Therefore, man found some aspects of nature to be beneficial and others to be harmful. Humans appealed to these phenomena for aid and mercy. These were the earth gods. When humans discovered agriculture and built the first permanent settlements, the weather became the most important and so man found new gods to worship; the sky gods. The sky gods supplanted the primitive earth gods. As time went by, one particular sky god became more popular than the others and eventually replaced all of the others. This is the One God of monotheism. And the rest is history. i understand the statement MM, im looking for where it came from and who decded this? or are you saying this is what you were taught in school? if so who is the one resposible for these thoughts? archeologist? historians? spider? funches? |
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Krimsa
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Look, no, Im totally willing to hear you out, but its the same comment. Im not sure if you noticed or not. The difference is the information I posted is from several accredited researchers in their various fields. In fact one is male that Im aware of anyway. It should not emasculate you. Im not cutting your balls off here.
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Which "academic terminology" Did you actually read that snippet on Goddess religion Mirror? This is what I meant. Its not my opinion its the facts THE TRUE HISTORY OF RELIGION (in a nutshell). In the begining, humans were hunter/gatherers. Humans were at the mercy of nature. Therefore, man found some aspects of nature to be beneficial and others to be harmful. Humans appealed to these phenomena for aid and mercy. These were the earth gods. When humans discovered agriculture and built the first permanent settlements, the weather became the most important and so man found new gods to worship; the sky gods. The sky gods supplanted the primitive earth gods. As time went by, one particular sky god became more popular than the others and eventually replaced all of the others. This is the One God of monotheism. And the rest is history. i understand the statement MM, im looking for where it came from and who decded this? or are you saying this is what you were taught in school? if so who is the one resposible for these thoughts? archeologist? historians? spider? funches? yes it comes from the historians, and archeologists and college textbooks, etc. Im making some source citations right now. I'll post the citations when I get them done.
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Okay, here are mine while we are waiting on Mirror's.
Works Consulted Campbell, Joseph. The Masks of God: Occidental Mythology. NY: Penguin, 1964. Chapters 1 &3. Condren, Mary. The Serpent and the Goddess: Women, Religion, and Power in Celtic Ireland. San Francisco: HarperCollins, 1989. Eisler, Riane. "Our Lost Heritage: New Facts on How God Became a Man." Writing About the World. Ed. Susan McLeod et al. Fort Worth: Harcourt Brace. 550-555. Leeming, David, and Jake Page. Goddess: Myths of the Female Divine. NY: Oxford University Press, 1994. Stone, Merlin. When God Was a Woman. NY: Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, Pub., 1976. |
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Bushidobillyclub
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Good and bad can be considered a mathematical assessment of the efficiency of a system to produce results that match the desired* outcome.
If survival is the desired outcome, then food which is a necessity would be good, how good would depend on the quality of the food which is proportional to the quantities of needed material within said food. *Desire is subjective, if something matches that desire it is good, if not it is less good, if it causes an undesirable outcome then it is bad. Name something. Then name a desire regarding that thing. If no desire, then no good, no bad. Apathy = neutrality? |
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Look, no, Im totally willing to hear you out, but its the same comment. Im not sure if you noticed or not. The difference is the information I posted is from several accredited researchers in their various fields. In fact one is male that Im aware of anyway. It should not emasculate you. Im not cutting your balls off here. You people keep talking about a male/female schism in ancient religion but actually its an earth/sky schism. Im just trying to point that out.A deities gender can vary and change from culture to culture.
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Look, no, Im totally willing to hear you out, but its the same comment. Im not sure if you noticed or not. The difference is the information I posted is from several accredited researchers in their various fields. In fact one is male that Im aware of anyway. It should not emasculate you. Im not cutting your balls off here. You people keep talking about a male/female schism in ancient religion but actually its an earth/sky schism. Im just trying to point that out.A deities gender can vary and change from culture to culture. I dont think I ever argued that Mirror. Sheesh. I just said that based on some of this research, it could possibly lead one to conclude that Christianity is not very old relatively speaking and something else was definitely going on before it. Now we can argue until the cow's come home what that "something" was exactly. I simply presented some evidence to support the theory that what happened in the Garden of Eden as premised in Genesis may have been agenda driven and provoked. |
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Okay, here are mine while we are waiting on Mirror's. Works Consulted Campbell, Joseph. The Masks of God: Occidental Mythology. NY: Penguin, 1964. Chapters 1 &3. Condren, Mary. The Serpent and the Goddess: Women, Religion, and Power in Celtic Ireland. San Francisco: HarperCollins, 1989. Eisler, Riane. "Our Lost Heritage: New Facts on How God Became a Man." Writing About the World. Ed. Susan McLeod et al. Fort Worth: Harcourt Brace. 550-555. Leeming, David, and Jake Page. Goddess: Myths of the Female Divine. NY: Oxford University Press, 1994. Stone, Merlin. When God Was a Woman. NY: Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, Pub., 1976. Matthews, Warren. World Religion. Fifth Edition. Belmont, CA: Thomson & Wadsworth, 2007. |
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So you have one? Hmmm
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Thu 09/11/08 05:11 PM
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So you have one? Hmmm Your sources are old and mine is new and I can get others.
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Okay, here are mine while we are waiting on Mirror's. Works Consulted Campbell, Joseph. The Masks of God: Occidental Mythology. NY: Penguin, 1964. Chapters 1 &3. Condren, Mary. The Serpent and the Goddess: Women, Religion, and Power in Celtic Ireland. San Francisco: HarperCollins, 1989. Eisler, Riane. "Our Lost Heritage: New Facts on How God Became a Man." Writing About the World. Ed. Susan McLeod et al. Fort Worth: Harcourt Brace. 550-555. Leeming, David, and Jake Page. Goddess: Myths of the Female Divine. NY: Oxford University Press, 1994. Stone, Merlin. When God Was a Woman. NY: Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, Pub., 1976. Matthews, Warren. World Religion. Fifth Edition. Belmont, CA: Thomson & Wadsworth, 2007. keep looking MM, if it's just him, then look at who his sources were for the info he's stated.
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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 To Tribo and Krimsa
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