So you have one? Hmmm

Why? Im being nice to you. I said I wasn't totally in disagreement with what you were saying. Not at all.

Your right. I wasnt neccessarily disagreeing with you. It was my mistake. I shouldve known better. Im not gonna play this silly game anymore. Just forget it.

well now im dissapointed -

i was looking forward to your knowledge on this issue. dont go away MM, just tell us how this fact you have came about, how did your teacher reach these conclusions?

Mirror, why are you so mad. Cant we disagree about anything? That is how people learn and grow is they look at different perspectives and points of view. If I just agreed with ever single one of your premises, then how would that prompt either one of us to research or investigate anything new?

Ok Tribo. It was merely a summary of what I learned in religion class. I wasnt trying to get one over on anyone or anything like that. I wasnt neccessarly disagreeing with anyone. I just thought the discussion was interesting. I didnt know I was required to do a works cited page. Where was anything I said wrong? Nevermind friend, I dont even know what the heck the point of what I was trying to say now lol

ok here's what relly happened - my source? the first people of the Iroquois nation.

Native American Legends
The Creation Story
An Iroquois Legend
In the beginning, the world was not as we know it now. It was a water world inhabited only by animals and creatures of the air who could survive without land.

Up above, the Sky World was quite different. Human-type beings lived there with infinite types of plants and animals to enjoy.

In the Sky World, there was a Tree of Life that was very special to the people of the Sky World. They knew that it grew at the entrance to the world below and forbade anyone to tamper with the Tree. One woman who was soon to give birth was curious about the Tree and convinced her brother to uproot the Tree.

Beneath the Tree was a great hole. The woman peered from the edge into the hole and suddenly fell off the edge. As she was falling she grasped at the edge and clutched in her hand some of the earth from the Sky World. As she fell, the birds of the world below were disturbed and alerted to her distress. The birds responded and gathered a great many of their kind to break her fall and cradle her to the back of a great sea turtle. The creatures of the water believed that she needed land to live on, so they set about to collect some for her. They dove to the great depths of the world's oceans to gather earth to make her a place to live. Many of the animals tried to gather the earth from the ocean floor, only the muskrat was successful. With only a small bit of earth brought onto turtle's back from his small paws, Turtle Island began to grow.

The Sky Woman soon gave birth to a daughter on Turtle Island. The daughter grew fast. There were no man-beings on Turtle Island, but a being known as the West Wind married the daughter of Sky Woman.

Soon the daughter of Sky Woman gave birth to Twins. One was born the natural way, and he was called the Right-Handed Twin. The other was born in a way that caused the death of the mother. He was called the Left-Handed Twin. When their mother died, their grandmother, Sky Woman, placed the fistful of earth that she grasped from the edge of the Sky World, and placed it on her daughter's grave. The earth carried special seeds from the Sky World that were nourished by the earth over her daughter. So from the body of her daughter came the Sacred Tobacco, Strawberry and Sweetgrass. We call these Kionhekwa. The Life Givers.

The Right and Left-Handed Twins were endowed with special creative powers. The Right-Handed Twin created gentle hills, beautiful smelling flowers, quiet brooks, butterflies and numerous creatures, plants and earth formations. His brother the Left-Handed Twin made snakes, thorns on rose bushes, thunder and lightning and other more disturbing attributes of today's world. Together, they created man and his many attributes. The Right-Handed Twin believed in diplomacy and conflict resolution. The Left-Handed Twin believed in conflict as resolution. They were very different, but all that they created is an integral part of this Earth's Creation.

Their Grandmother, Sky Woman, now came to the end of her life. When she died, the Twins fought over her body and pulled it apart, throwing her head into the sky. As part of the Sky World, there her head remained to shine upon the world as Grandmother Moon. The Twins could not live together without fighting. They agreed to dwell in different realms of the earth. The Right-Handed Twin continued to live in the daylight and the Left-Handed Twin became a dweller of the night. Both of them continue their special duties to their Mother the Earth.

tribo:

now how can anyone refute this

But mirrorr, did you read what I had posted? It actually addressed the " skygods" and their theory about what had taken place. You are free to refute until the cows come home but fact for fact, detail for detail, source for source. I mean thats generally how its done. Am I being unreasonable here?

I was talking about ALL religions Tribo. An good example of skygods Im talking about would be the Olympians. And other similar pantheons.

i understand - "oginali" [my friend]

i took it as a summary of all religions as you state, i was just hoping you might expand on what you have read or is this all you have left of your notes? if so i understand - no harm done, thnx

you are now called by me:

saquu gago hagata gosohi [one who looks back]

cherokee.

or if you prefer:

daseti ( dah say tee) [mirror]