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well iwill agree that archeology has shown goddess worship to predate god worship so cant rule this out either. interesting find K. Only in terms of "documentation" though. Since archeology is anything but exhaustive - this conclusion is nothing but subjective. hmmm - is not your statement also??  Actually - no. Without all of the information in, I can state as fact that the original premise of goddess worship predating God worship is unacceptable as an absolute. And I can state this absolutely! |
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Well of course, everything is subjective. Its just one take on it based on supportive evidence. Not unlike the theory of evolution.  Correct. The best way to put it is - given the evidence at hand, the conclusion that Goddess worship predates God worship (as in scripture) cannot be disproved as a valid presumption. That's a tad different than what Tribo posted. |
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Or do you believe as funches states that man was just another animal with no more intellegnce than an ant or a bird? Intelligence has little to do with good and evil or knowing the difference. Some of the most intelligent people in the world are what could be described has the most heartless, cruel and "evil" people. The "tree" of the knowledge of good and evil is simply love and compassion. They ate of that tree when they had sex with each other. (It was a cherry tree) (The Naga snake man showed them how.) (Hence the term "I lost my cherry..") After that, Adam loved Eve a lot.  And Eve discovered she had something he wanted and learned how to lead him around by the nose.  Loved it 
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Thu 09/11/08 03:58 PM
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We would hardly expect much less from you. Well we will see you again in 8 months when you have read up on all of this. Eljay it is one theory and we were utilizing it to try to have a better understanding of what might have been going on in the Garden of Eden exactly and the motivations behind writing this story. Arguably it is one of the most crucial in the bible.
And besides, I would not expect you to be interested in it not only because it invites the element of the female principle into spirituality, but they are discussing history and people's pre-dating the advent of Christianity so I thought you would not even give any of that information the time of day? Since in your opinion, its ALL based on inaccurate radiocarbon dating. 
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Thu 09/11/08 04:00 PM
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Well of course, everything is subjective. Its just one take on it based on supportive evidence. Not unlike the theory of evolution. Correct. The best way to put it is - given the evidence at hand, the conclusion that Goddess worship predates God worship (as in scripture) cannot be disproved as a valid presumption. That's a tad different than what Tribo posted.  Your right. There is no evidence of "Goddess" worship before "God" worship.  Heres what really happened. In the begining man worshiped many gods found throughout nature.These were the Earth gods. This was when humans were nomadic hunter/gatherers. Then when humans obtained agriculture and built communities, these Earth gods were supplanted by the Sky gods. In time, one Sky god gained ascendancy above all of the other Skygods and so we have what is called the "One God". This is the true history of religion.
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I heard this along my way of spiritual enlightenment so I cannot claim it as my own but the fact that worshipping of female deities was a precursor to the one male god premise is evident in the fact that eve was the "bad influence" in the bible.
The men of the creation of the christian religion or bible religion, if indeed it is the same, wanted the women figure of mystery and power to be removed from the thoughts of people and wanted the power structure to me male dominated. Therefore make the woman gullible to evil and influential over man and she becomes dangerous and evil. Because of women's "power" to create life, women have held a place of mystery and power in the communities of old. She was therefore a healer and a spring of life. This was the way for many peoples predating the bible. I have to say that even today the mystery of woman holds true. Men really do not "get" women very well at all. Complexity and mystery make a powerful drink to swallow...lol |
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and GOD has spoken! It shall be written for all time!
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Dragon did you get a chance to read what was posted there on Goddess worship? Its sort of paraphrased but fascinating as hell. Scroll up a bit if you didn't see it. Its basically what you just said.
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Thu 09/11/08 04:08 PM
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I heard this along my way of spiritual enlightenment so I cannot claim it as my own but the fact that worshipping of female deities was a precursor to the one male god premise is evident in the fact that eve was the "bad influence" in the bible. The men of the creation of the christian religion or bible religion, if indeed it is the same, wanted the women figure of mystery and power to be removed from the thoughts of people and wanted the power structure to me male dominated. Therefore make the woman gullible to evil and influential over man and she becomes dangerous and evil. Because of women's "power" to create life, women have held a place of mystery and power in the communities of old. She was therefore a healer and a spring of life. This was the way for many peoples predating the bible. I have to say that even today the mystery of woman holds true. Men really do not "get" women very well at all. Complexity and mystery make a powerful drink to swallow...lol Your not exactly wrong, but your missing the forest for the trees. It wasnt about male deity/female deity.Most deities were both male and female. The true history of religion began with the Earth Gods.This is when humans were hunter/gatherers. Humans appealed to this set of deitys for assistance in survival. When humans discovered agriculture and began to plant crops, the weather became the most important. So the earth gods were cast out and replaced by the Sky gods. The deity that we know as "The One", the god of monotheism, was one of these Skygods. This particular deity became more popular and replaced the other sky gods. This is the true history of religion. .
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I heard this along my way of spiritual enlightenment so I cannot claim it as my own but the fact that worshipping of female deities was a precursor to the one male god premise is evident in the fact that eve was the "bad influence" in the bible. The men of the creation of the christian religion or bible religion, if indeed it is the same, wanted the women figure of mystery and power to be removed from the thoughts of people and wanted the power structure to me male dominated. Therefore make the woman gullible to evil and influential over man and she becomes dangerous and evil. Because of women's "power" to create life, women have held a place of mystery and power in the communities of old. She was therefore a healer and a spring of life. This was the way for many peoples predating the bible. I have to say that even today the mystery of woman holds true. Men really do not "get" women very well at all. Complexity and mystery make a powerful drink to swallow...lol what do you mean i don't understand woman!!! i resemble that remark - 
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Well yeah. These are just guesses from both perspectives. I think where I was going with this is that the snake itself, if we can at least agree that it was a snake. Maybe it wasn't but we seem to feel it was. The snake was also associated with these Pre-Christian religions. I think we have established that beyond a shadow of a doubt here. So we have both sides. Its also possible that the snake (symbol of Paganism) was twisted and "dethroned" so to speak and associated with pure evil or Satan. Hmmm.  no, the snake symbolizes an earth god that was defeated and cast down by a skygod.
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Someday (when I got the time)Im gonna have to make a thread and explain the true history of religion to some of you folks and answer some of these ever lingering questions and clear up some of these misconceptions.
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Well yeah. These are just guesses from both perspectives. I think where I was going with this is that the snake itself, if we can at least agree that it was a snake. Maybe it wasn't but we seem to feel it was. The snake was also associated with these Pre-Christian religions. I think we have established that beyond a shadow of a doubt here. So we have both sides. Its also possible that the snake (symbol of Paganism) was twisted and "dethroned" so to speak and associated with pure evil or Satan. Hmmm. no, the snake symbolizes an earth god that was cast down by a skygod. SKY GOD?? Have you become native american MM?? awina didanuwisgi --- nuwadohiyadu -
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Well yeah. These are just guesses from both perspectives. I think where I was going with this is that the snake itself, if we can at least agree that it was a snake. Maybe it wasn't but we seem to feel it was. The snake was also associated with these Pre-Christian religions. I think we have established that beyond a shadow of a doubt here. So we have both sides. Its also possible that the snake (symbol of Paganism) was twisted and "dethroned" so to speak and associated with pure evil or Satan. Hmmm. no, the snake symbolizes an earth god that was cast down by a skygod. SKY GOD?? Have you become native american MM?? awina didanuwisgi --- nuwadohiyadu - No youve got it all wrong Tribo. Im telling the true history of religion. See my previous posts on this page for more details. I would post one of my many essays on here to make it easier to understand but I dont think most people would sit and read it so Ive summarized it the best way I can.
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Someday (when I got the time)Im gonna have to make a thread and explain the true history of religion to some of you folks and answer some of these ever lingering questions and clear up some of these misconceptions. well i for one would appreciate that MM go right ahead - just dont make it pages and pages - be concise please -the core material that can be expandeed on from their, thnx. now - egasinu
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Well yeah. These are just guesses from both perspectives. I think where I was going with this is that the snake itself, if we can at least agree that it was a snake. Maybe it wasn't but we seem to feel it was. The snake was also associated with these Pre-Christian religions. I think we have established that beyond a shadow of a doubt here. So we have both sides. Its also possible that the snake (symbol of Paganism) was twisted and "dethroned" so to speak and associated with pure evil or Satan. Hmmm. no, the snake symbolizes an earth god that was cast down by a skygod. SKY GOD?? Have you become native american MM?? awina didanuwisgi --- nuwadohiyadu -  Are you just kidding Tribo, or do you really not know what Im talking about? Im using the correct terminology.
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Well yeah. These are just guesses from both perspectives. I think where I was going with this is that the snake itself, if we can at least agree that it was a snake. Maybe it wasn't but we seem to feel it was. The snake was also associated with these Pre-Christian religions. I think we have established that beyond a shadow of a doubt here. So we have both sides. Its also possible that the snake (symbol of Paganism) was twisted and "dethroned" so to speak and associated with pure evil or Satan. Hmmm. no, the snake symbolizes an earth god that was cast down by a skygod. SKY GOD?? Have you become native american MM?? awina didanuwisgi --- nuwadohiyadu - No youve got it all wrong Tribo. Im telling the true history of religion. See my previous posts on this page for more details. I would post one of my many essays on here to make it easier to understand but I dont think most people would sit and read it so Ive summarized it the best way I can. well its my post MM - feel free to post all you want i will read it and comment if need be or ask questions - my first will be for the authors of your work and their credentials - can you give those? |
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Someday (when I got the time)Im gonna have to make a thread and explain the true history of religion to some of you folks and answer some of these ever lingering questions and clear up some of these misconceptions. An so sayeth the flock!
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Edited by
tribo
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Thu 09/11/08 04:33 PM
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Well yeah. These are just guesses from both perspectives. I think where I was going with this is that the snake itself, if we can at least agree that it was a snake. Maybe it wasn't but we seem to feel it was. The snake was also associated with these Pre-Christian religions. I think we have established that beyond a shadow of a doubt here. So we have both sides. Its also possible that the snake (symbol of Paganism) was twisted and "dethroned" so to speak and associated with pure evil or Satan. Hmmm. no, the snake symbolizes an earth god that was cast down by a skygod. SKY GOD?? Have you become native american MM?? awina didanuwisgi --- nuwadohiyadu - Are you just kidding Tribo, or do you really not know what Im talking about? Im using the correct terminology. no im not kidding the first people have "sky god" but i doubt that is what your reffering to correct? |
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In the begining, humans were hunter/gatherers. Humans were at the mercy of nature. Therefore, man found some aspects of nature to be beneficial and others to be harmful. Humans appealed to these phenomena for aid and mercy. These were the earth gods. When humans discovered agriculture and built the first permanent settlement, the weather became the most important and so man found new gods to worship;the sky gods. The sky gods supplanted the primitive earth gods. As time went by, one particular sky god became more popular than the others and eventually replaced all of the others. This is the One God of monotheism. And the rest is history.
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