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Topic: The true authorship of the New Testament
Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Tue 08/19/08 08:09 PM
Professor Bruno Bauer, in his work of 1877 "Christ and the Caesars", stated that he had concluded that the Romans had authored the New Testament and that Flavius Josephus was the inventor of Jesus. James Ballantyne Hannay next wrote about the Roman authorship of the New Testament in his 1925 work "The Rise, Decline & Fall of the Roman Religion (Christianity)." Abelard Reuchlin found the key to unraveling just who the actual authors were, and that the authors were to be found in the Roman Piso family, who were a part of the Piso/Flavian dynasty. He authored a booklet that came out in 1979 and is available from The Roman Piso Homepage. In 2003 Joseph Atwill discovered that the Roman emperor Titus Flavius, working with Flavius Josephus and other authors in his patrimony wrote the New Testament. Atwill deduced this by comparing The 'Judean War' to the New Testament. The 'Judean War', written by Flavius Josephus, was originally part of the Christian Bible, and was removed around 1100 CE. 'The Roman Origin of Christianity', released as 'Caesar's Messiah' by Joseph Atwill documents the creation of the New Testament as a Roman satire devised to win over Judean dissidents by deceiving them into believing that the emperor Titus Flavius Vespasiani was Jesus! I know, it sounds strange, but that seems to be the way it was. Titus took great pleasure in calling himself "the greatest forger in history." There are now several million persons who know about the Piso Theory, Atwill's book and the true authorship of the New Testament. This page is dedicated to the ongoing discussion, discovery and presentation of deductive proofs that establish, as much as possible, the authorship and motives for the creation of the New Testament. http://www.fargonasphere.com/piso/#top

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Tue 08/19/08 08:19 PM
Professor Bruno Bauer, in his work of 1877 "Christ and the Caesars", stated that he had concluded that the Romans had authored the New Testament and that Flavius Josephus was the inventor of Jesus. James Ballantyne Hannay next wrote about the Roman authorship of the New Testament in his 1925 work "The Rise, Decline & Fall of the Roman Religion (Christianity)." Abelard Reuchlin found the key to unraveling just who the actual authors were, and that the authors were to be found in the Roman Piso family, who were a part of the Piso/Flavian dynasty. He authored a booklet that came out in 1979 and is available from The Roman Piso Homepage. In 2003 Joseph Atwill discovered that the Roman emperor Titus Flavius, working with Flavius Josephus and other authors in his patrimony wrote the New Testament. Atwill deduced this by comparing The 'Judean War' to the New Testament. The 'Judean War', written by Flavius Josephus, was originally part of the Christian Bible, and was removed around 1100 CE. 'The Roman Origin of Christianity', released as 'Caesar's Messiah' by Joseph Atwill documents the creation of the New Testament as a Roman satire devised to win over Judean dissidents by deceiving them into believing that the emperor Titus Flavius Vespasiani was Jesus! I know, it sounds strange, but that seems to be the way it was. Titus took great pleasure in calling himself "the greatest forger in history." There are now several million persons who know about the Piso Theory, Atwill's book and the true authorship of the New Testament. This page is dedicated to the ongoing discussion, discovery and presentation of deductive proofs that establish, as much as possible, the authorship and motives for the creation of the New Testament. http://www.fargonasphere.com/piso/#top i'll loo into that JB, thnx i have some questions but i will wait til i read and know more about this person/family thing you talk of here.

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Tue 08/19/08 08:19 PM Edited by MirrorMirror on Tue 08/19/08 08:20 PM
The New Testament (aka Bible II: Electric Boogaloo) is the second book in the series and is, as its name suggests, newer than the Old Testament. Its authors are unknown, but the book claims it was written by the disciples of the book's protagonist, another twist in the story's plot. The New Testament is unique in that it introduces a new character to the series known as Jesus Christ, who serves as the main character in the book. In it, Jesus is the "Son of God", birthed by his virgin mother, Mary. How? Throughout the first four sections of the book, Jesus plays the role of a messiah-like figure with strong moral values, such as the value of the family, pacifism, and looking like a hippie. As mentionned he gets himself nailed to something. That's a bit of a climax. http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/New_Testament#New_Testament

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Tue 08/19/08 08:20 PM Edited by MirrorMirror on Tue 08/19/08 08:21 PM
In the later parts of the book the deciples of Jesus go round looking like hippies and doing things and writing boring letters. The tone of the New Testament, in contrast, is entirely more gentle gentile. Overall, the New Testament is far less controversial in that it has less scenes of unnecessary killing and sex, and instead focuses on alcohol use and torture. But that is also why critics agree it is "less interesting than its predecessor." For the most part, Jews (strong fans of the Old Testament) have labeled the book as a rip-off and unoriginal and reject it outright. Fans of the Old Testament also claim that the New Testament portrays God as being far too soft, and that it "just doesn't have that scary biblical feeling." One Jewish critic stated that he felt that "God could not have inspired the writing of the New Testement. My God is not that much of a *****." One of the more interesting chapters in the New Testament is the Book of Revelation. That chapter comes just after all those tedious letters. Unfortunately many readers may be discouraged before they reach Revelations. There is a full revelation about the Scarlet Woman of Babylon who was clearly a whore. Revelations is a chapter full of imagery and symbolism used to describe a fictional event known as the Apocalypse and the events preceding it. A very entertaining section indeed, the Book of Revelation, some believe, suggests the particular number "666" as being the mark of the beast. More confusing riff-raff is abundant in this chapter as well concerning the anti-Christ and Israel, but nobody cares. http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/New_Testament#New_Testament

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Tue 08/19/08 08:35 PM
Do you think it could be the work of the Draco?

wouldee Joined Sun 10/07/07 Posts: 5335	Tue 08/19/08 08:39 PM
yup. the pink ones.

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Tue 08/19/08 08:41 PM
And to think that so many people thought it could never be determined to be true or false. Looks like Jeanniebean spilled the beans. It's sad in a way because many people had been romanticizing this fantasy. But I'm sure they will continue to do so in spite of this obvious evidence that it was all a hoax. People just love a good fantasy and a little bit of reality isn't about to stop them now.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Tue 08/19/08 08:42 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 08/19/08 08:43 PM
I am putting the proof out there for those who want it. The truth will set you free. I have always suspected that the new testament is a forgery. It is obvious that it is a plagiarized myth. Anyone can see that. The story of Mithra is the same almost as the story of Jesus. You be the judge. I am seriously looking into it. I'm just revealing what I find. I'm just doing God's work. JB

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Tue 08/19/08 09:00 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 08/19/08 09:01 PM
The truth is I only hate the liars. I love the Christians, they are good people. I want them to at least have the choice to find the truth. I want them to be free. The truth will set you free. Yes, I hate the liars who make fun of people who believe their lies. They laugh behind your back. Then put you into slavery. Free yourself from the lie, if you are brave enough. JB

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Tue 08/19/08 09:11 PM
The Christians say, "Love the sinner, hate the sin" The Non-Christians say, "Love the Christians, hate the Christianity"

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Tue 08/19/08 09:12 PM
Maybe L.Ron Hubbard and his friends wrote it just like Scientology ,Wicca and Eckankar?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Tue 08/19/08 09:22 PM
The Christians say, "Love the sinner, hate the sin" The Non-Christians say, "Love the Christians, hate the Christianity" Yes, exactly. You got it James!

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Tue 08/19/08 09:25 PM
Maybe L.Ron Hubbard and his friends wrote it just like Scientology ,Wicca and Eckankar? Monkey brains are a delicacy in some countries ya know...

fdp1177 Joined Tue 07/01/08 Posts: 190	Tue 08/19/08 09:29 PM
I say worship Gandalf... if we are going to cleave to long-bearded old-fellows that is. Hell, the LOTR trilogy is easier to follow and has just as much colorful good vs. evil imagery.

Belushi Joined Sat 04/07/07 Posts: 2995	Tue 08/19/08 09:33 PM
Im waiting for Spider to do his thing ... [sits down, grabs another biscuit for his morning coffee]

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Tue 08/19/08 09:37 PM
Im waiting for Spider to do his thing ... [sits down, grabs another biscuit for his morning coffee] Is it morning over there already! Damn, I better get to bed!

Donnar Joined Mon 09/17/07 Posts: 874	Tue 08/19/08 10:38 PM
Professor Bruno Bauer, in his work of 1877 "Christ and the Caesars", stated that he had concluded that the Romans had authored the New Testament and that Flavius Josephus was the inventor of Jesus. James Ballantyne Hannay next wrote about the Roman authorship of the New Testament in his 1925 work "The Rise, Decline & Fall of the Roman Religion (Christianity)." Abelard Reuchlin found the key to unraveling just who the actual authors were, and that the authors were to be found in the Roman Piso family, who were a part of the Piso/Flavian dynasty. He authored a booklet that came out in 1979 and is available from The Roman Piso Homepage. In 2003 Joseph Atwill discovered that the Roman emperor Titus Flavius, working with Flavius Josephus and other authors in his patrimony wrote the New Testament. Atwill deduced this by comparing The 'Judean War' to the New Testament. The 'Judean War', written by Flavius Josephus, was originally part of the Christian Bible, and was removed around 1100 CE. 'The Roman Origin of Christianity', released as 'Caesar's Messiah' by Joseph Atwill documents the creation of the New Testament as a Roman satire devised to win over Judean dissidents by deceiving them into believing that the emperor Titus Flavius Vespasiani was Jesus! I know, it sounds strange, but that seems to be the way it was. Titus took great pleasure in calling himself "the greatest forger in history." There are now several million persons who know about the Piso Theory, Atwill's book and the true authorship of the New Testament. This page is dedicated to the ongoing discussion, discovery and presentation of deductive proofs that establish, as much as possible, the authorship and motives for the creation of the New Testament. http://www.fargonasphere.com/piso/#top You are cute and popular and maybe sweet, not sure of that. You know not of what you speak. No one said the New Testament was written in order, nor, was the Old Testament. You take what is given and use your brain to figure it out. Try The New American Bible, Translated from the original languages with critical use of all the ancient sources, and the Revised New Testament Authorized by the Board of Trustees of The confraternity of Christian Doctrine and Approved by the Administrative Committe Board of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops and the United States Catholic Conference. They take in the Priestly connection, the Greek traditions, the Israeli conversant among others, many others.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Tue 08/19/08 10:48 PM
The following was taken from the book: The True Authorship Of The New Testament by Abelard Reuchlin, '>>The main authors of the New Testament books were Arius Calpurnius Piso (Josephus); his son, Fabius Justus; his granddaughter’s husband, Pliny the Younger; and his son, Julius. Following is a list of the actual authorship of each of the books of the New Testament: The original Mark , written in year 60 CE by Lucius Calpurnius Piso Matthew, written year 70-75 by Arius Calpurnius Piso The present Mark written 75-80 by Arius Calpurnius Piso Luke written year 85-90 by Arius Calpurnius Piso with Pliny’s help John written year 105 by Justus Calpurnius Piso Acts of the Apostles written year 96-100 Chapters 1-15, by A. C. Piso with Justus’ help; chapters 16-17, written by Justus; chapters 18-28, some written by Justus, some by Pliny Romans , written year 100 by Proculus Calpurnius Piso I corinthians, Galatians and Ephesians written year 100-103 Pliny II Corinthians, Ephesians written year 103-105 Justus Colossians , written year 106-107 by Justus with his son with Julianus’ help I Timothy , written year 105 by Pliny II Timothy , written year 107 by Justus Titus, written year 103-105 Pliny Philemon written year 105-110 by Justus with help of Julianus James written year 110 by Justus I and II Peter written year 110-115 by Proculus I, II, and III John written year 110-115 by Julius Calpurnius Piso Jude written year 110-115 by Julius Revelation written year 136-137 by Julius Hebrews written year 140 by Flavius Arrianus (Arrian), aka Appian, younger"<<

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Tue 08/19/08 10:58 PM
You are cute and popular and maybe sweet, not sure of that. You know not of what you speak. No one said the New Testament was written in order, nor, was the Old Testament. I did not say it had anything to do with what order the books were written in. I am just doing some research. You take what is given and use your brain to figure it out. Try The New American Bible, Translated from the original languages with critical use of all the ancient sources, and the Revised New Testament Authorized by the Board of Trustees of The confraternity of Christian Doctrine and Approved by the Administrative Committe Board of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops and the United States Catholic Conference. They take in the Priestly connection, the Greek traditions, the Israeli conversant among others, many others. What would be the point of that? If the entire New Testament is a forgery why would I be interested in any books that have been further tampered with and approved of by Catholic Bishops or the Board of Trustees of the confraternity of Christian Doctrine? You have to understand I am a person who does not trust in the least, those who claim to be trusted authorities over this kind of information. The lies have been perpetrated by trusted authorities from the very beginning. You tell me I "know not of what I speak.." Why would you say that? How do you know you have not been lied to? I am only looking for truth because there is something very wrong with religion today. It is splintered, it comes from a bloody past, it is confusing, it is at odds with itself. It is the cause of war and strife. There is something wrong with it at the core, at its beginning. There are those who will find the truth and the truth will be revealed. The truth will set you free. JB

Eljay Joined Tue 05/08/07 Posts: 2426	Tue 08/19/08 11:52 PM
I am putting the proof out there for those who want it. The truth will set you free. I have always suspected that the new testament is a forgery. It is obvious that it is a plagiarized myth. Anyone can see that. The story of Mithra is the same almost as the story of Jesus. You be the judge. I am seriously looking into it. I'm just revealing what I find. I'm just doing God's work. JB Whoa there Jeannie. Let's not go as far as to say that this is "proof". It is interesting conjecture though. I'm not sure what evidence exists to support the "obviousness" of it being plagerised. As to the accounts you've cited - most are hypothesis developed by contemporaries. Anything a little closer to the 1st century to substanciate these claims - since we do have actual texts that exist from the first century. Would that kind of quash this Pico claim? How do those manuscripts get explained away?