what a bunch of loons...

I guese its called paying attention to life. You see our tax money is funding this lunatic war. We have allredy spent enough to shore up social security for 75 years. I dont know if you know many seniors who are struggling to pay for meds and food but all this relates.

QFT. Seriously, this hits the nail on the head.

I agree the dems drove the getaway car for sure. Pelosi sold out verry fast. alot of heads would role on both sides of the isle and they probably should but the bush republicans were the ring leaders.

Wow...this thread still going on? SHEESH!

By the way....death count? Here:

http://icasualties.org/oif/

Robert H. Jackson
Chief of Counsel for the United States
Nuremberg, Germany
November 21, 1945

May it please Your Honors:

The privilege of opening the first trial in history for crimes against the peace of the world imposes a grave responsibility. The wrongs which we seek to condemn and punish have been so calculated, so malignant, and so devastating, that civilization cannot tolerate their being ignored, because it cannot survive their being repeated. That four great nations, flushed with victory and stung with injury stay the hand of vengeance and voluntarily submit their captive enemies to the judgment of the law is one of the most significant tributes that Power has ever paid to Reason.

This Tribunal, while it is novel and experimental, is not the product of abstract speculations nor is it created to vindicate legalistic theories. This inquest represents the practical effort of four of the most mighty of nations, with the support of 17 more, to utilize international law to meet the greatest menace of our times-aggressive war. The common sense of mankind demands that law shall not stop with the punishment of petty crimes by little people. It must also reach men who possess themselves of great power and make deliberate and concerted use of it to set in motion evils which. leave no home in the world untouched. It is a cause of that magnitude that the United Nations will lay before Your Honors.

In the prisoners' dock sit twenty-odd broken men. Reproached by the humiliation of those they have led almost as bitterly as by the desolation of those they have attacked, their personal capacity for evil is forever past. It is hard now to perceive in these men as captives the power by which as Nazi leaders they once dominated much of the world and terrified most of it. Merely as individuals their fate is of little consequence to the world.

http://www.roberthjackson.org/Man/theman2-7-8-1/

Bush's grandfather on his mothers side of the family was the founder of the Church of Satan, Aleister Crowley.

Needs a 3rd term
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Madisonman, how is my Number 1 Fan?

War crimes? Maybe...

Henry Kissinger was a good candidate for a trial.

Speaking of crimes...

Ever look into elections in the U.S.? By our own standards we should have election monitors here in the U.S. Elections with no national standard, voter intimidation, gerrymandering, no paper trail for verification, dead voters on the roles and no standard machines along with many being supplied by a company who's owner made public comments that indicated he was committed to electing his candidate.

Yeah I know...off the issue just a tad but not so much really.

That is fine with me, I will just make myself King of America

Bush pardons himself CNN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBUkxvfL_eE

You need to get away from youtube, all the Crazies upload there. no wonder why you are sooo messed up...

I take it then you didnt watch the CNN broadcast recorded on U tube. Its impossible for you to attack the message so you attack the messenger. Facts are facts wether its on U tube or the new york times. Prove it wrong if you can but I know you cant

intermission

time for refreshments & music

i love this song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVnYRJV_1RA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_9O9_aR1Ms

there are better versions of it
too that he does, i think

one of many songs i like

by Mr. Neil Young


the Loner


Hes a perfect stranger,
Like a cross of himself and a fox.
Hes a feeling arranger
And a changer of the ways he talks.
Hes the unforeseen danger
The keeper of the key to the locks.
Know when you see him,
Nothing can free him.
Step aside, open wide,
Its the loner.

If you see him in the subway,
Hell be down at the end of the car.
Watching you move
Until he knows he knows who you are.
When you get off at your station alone,
Hell know that you are.
Know when you see him,
Nothing can free him.
Step aside, open wide,
Its the loner.

There was a woman he knew
About a year or so ago.
She had something that he needed
And he pleaded with her not to go.
On the day that she left,
He died, but it did not show.
Know when you see him,
Nothing can free him.
Step aside, open wide,
Its the loner.

this is sooo beautiful too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxGcAm0EkTU

There is a town in north Ontario,
With dream comfort memory to spare,
And in my mind
I still need a place to go,
All my changes were there.

Blue, blue windows behind the stars,
Yellow moon on the rise,
Big birds flying across the sky,
Throwing shadows on our eyes.
Leave us

Helpless, helpless, helpless
Baby can you hear me now?
The chains are locked
and tied across the door,
Baby, sing with me somehow.

Blue, blue windows behind the stars,
Yellow moon on the rise,
Big birds flying across the sky,
Throwing shadows on our eyes.
Leave us

Helpless, helpless, helpless.

That's awesome! Thanks for sharing!

of course...Sweet Spaceman ...

anything to change the subject !!!

Spaceman...
since you like my kind of music
i found this one....

this is my favorite < bob seger> tune

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c86lU5KObGg&feature=related

<<< till it shines >>>

Take away my inhibitions
Take away my solitude
Fire me up with your resistance
Put me in the mood
Storm the walls around this prison
Leave the inmates
Free the guards
Deal me up another future
From some brand new deck of cards
Take the chip off of my shoulder
Smooth out all the lines
Take me out among the rustling pines
Till it shines

Like an echo down a canyon
Never coming back as clear
Lately I just judge the distance
Not the words I hear
Ive been too long on these islands
Ive been far too long alone
Ive been too long without summer
In this winter home
Still if we can make the effort
If we take the time
Maybe we can leave this much behind
Till it shines

See the rich man lost and lonely
Watch him as he dines
Sitting there just testing all the wines
Till it shines