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Topic: If Bush were tried and found guilty of war crimes
kerbear73 Joined Wed 01/02/08 Posts: 3884	Mon 08/18/08 01:11 PM
Just to Jog your memory: The December 1998 bombing of Iraq (code-named Operation Desert Fox) was a major four-day bombing campaign on Iraqi targets from December 16-December 19, 1998 by the United States and United Kingdom. These strikes were officially undertaken in response to Iraq's continued failure to comply with United Nations Security Council resolutions as well as their interference with United Nations Special Commission inspectors. It was a major flare-up in the Iraq disarmament crisis. The stated goal of the cruise missile and bombing attacks was to disrupt Saddam's ability to maintain his grip on power. On October 31, 1998 US President Bill Clinton had signed into law H.R. 4655, the Iraq Liberation Act.[1] The new Act appropriated funds to Iraqi opposition groups in the hope of removing Saddam Hussein from power and replacing his regime with a democracy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Desert_Fox Clinton has done nothing that has killed hundreds of thousands of people regardless to your twisted view. No comparison here at all, move on, if you can. Bush didn't kill hundreds of thousands, where did you get you figures

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Mon 08/18/08 01:13 PM
Just to Jog your memory: The December 1998 bombing of Iraq (code-named Operation Desert Fox) was a major four-day bombing campaign on Iraqi targets from December 16-December 19, 1998 by the United States and United Kingdom. These strikes were officially undertaken in response to Iraq's continued failure to comply with United Nations Security Council resolutions as well as their interference with United Nations Special Commission inspectors. It was a major flare-up in the Iraq disarmament crisis. The stated goal of the cruise missile and bombing attacks was to disrupt Saddam's ability to maintain his grip on power. On October 31, 1998 US President Bill Clinton had signed into law H.R. 4655, the Iraq Liberation Act.[1] The new Act appropriated funds to Iraqi opposition groups in the hope of removing Saddam Hussein from power and replacing his regime with a democracy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Desert_Fox Clinton has done nothing that has killed hundreds of thousands of people regardless to your twisted view. No comparison here at all, move on, if you can. Bush didn't kill hundreds of thousands, where did you get you figures Check the stats man. Iraq and Afghanistan innocents lost and the supposed insurgents and our own, check it.

kerbear73 Joined Wed 01/02/08 Posts: 3884	Mon 08/18/08 01:14 PM
Just to Jog your memory: The December 1998 bombing of Iraq (code-named Operation Desert Fox) was a major four-day bombing campaign on Iraqi targets from December 16-December 19, 1998 by the United States and United Kingdom. These strikes were officially undertaken in response to Iraq's continued failure to comply with United Nations Security Council resolutions as well as their interference with United Nations Special Commission inspectors. It was a major flare-up in the Iraq disarmament crisis. The stated goal of the cruise missile and bombing attacks was to disrupt Saddam's ability to maintain his grip on power. On October 31, 1998 US President Bill Clinton had signed into law H.R. 4655, the Iraq Liberation Act.[1] The new Act appropriated funds to Iraqi opposition groups in the hope of removing Saddam Hussein from power and replacing his regime with a democracy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Desert_Fox Clinton has done nothing that has killed hundreds of thousands of people regardless to your twisted view. No comparison here at all, move on, if you can. Bush didn't kill hundreds of thousands, where did you get you figures Check the stats man. Iraq and Afghanistan innocents lost and the supposed insurgents and our own, check it. I didn't ask that, I want you to show me the figures, I post what I find and then give the link..

madisonman Joined Sun 12/23/07 Posts: 4573	Mon 08/18/08 01:17 PM
The number is shocking and sobering. It is at least 10 times greater than most estimates cited in the US media, yet it is based on a scientific study of violent Iraqi deaths caused by the U.S.-led invasion of March 2003. That study, published in prestigious medical journal The Lancet, estimated that over 600,000 Iraqis had been killed as a result of the invasion as of July 2006. Iraqis have continued to be killed since then. The graphic above provides a rough daily update of this number based on a rate of increase derived from the Iraq Body Count. (See the complete explanation.) The estimate that over a million Iraqis have died received independent confirmation from a prestigious British polling agency in September 2007. Opinion Research Business estimated that 1.2 million Iraqis have been killed violently since the US invasion. This devastating human toll demands greater recognition. It eclipses the Rwandan genocide and our leaders are directly responsible. Little wonder they do not publicly cite it. Here is simple HTML code to post the counter to your website and help spread the word. http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Mon 08/18/08 01:19 PM Edited by Dragoness on Mon 08/18/08 01:21 PM
I posted this link but it is not my job to do your homework for you. If you don't believe me, check it out yourself. Lazy folks. Updated Iraq Study Affirms Earlier Mortality Estimates Study finds as many as 654,965 Iraqis may have died as result of invasion By Tim Parsons School of Public Health As many as 654,965 more Iraqis may have died since hostilities began in Iraq in March 2003 than would have been expected under pre-war conditions, according to a survey conducted by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and Al Mustansiriya University in Baghdad. The deaths from all causes — violent and nonviolent — are over and above the estimated 143,000 deaths per year that occurred from all causes prior to the March 2003 invasion. The estimates were derived from a nationwide survey of 1,849 households throughout Iraq conducted between May and July 2006. The results are consistent with the findings of an October 2004 study of Iraq mortality conducted by the Johns Hopkins researchers. Also, the findings closely reflect the increased mortality trends reported by other organizations that utilized passive methods of counting mortality, such as counting bodies in morgues or deaths reported by the news media. The study is published in the Oct. 12 online edition of the peer-reviewed scientific journal The Lancet. http://www.jhu.edu/~gazette/2006/16oct06/16iraq.html

kerbear73 Joined Wed 01/02/08 Posts: 3884	Mon 08/18/08 01:30 PM
The number is shocking and sobering. It is at least 10 times greater than most estimates cited in the US media, yet it is based on a scientific study of violent Iraqi deaths caused by the U.S.-led invasion of March 2003. That study, published in prestigious medical journal The Lancet, estimated that over 600,000 Iraqis had been killed as a result of the invasion as of July 2006. Iraqis have continued to be killed since then. The graphic above provides a rough daily update of this number based on a rate of increase derived from the Iraq Body Count. (See the complete explanation.) The estimate that over a million Iraqis have died received independent confirmation from a prestigious British polling agency in September 2007. Opinion Research Business estimated that 1.2 million Iraqis have been killed violently since the US invasion. This devastating human toll demands greater recognition. It eclipses the Rwandan genocide and our leaders are directly responsible. Little wonder they do not publicly cite it. Here is simple HTML code to post the counter to your website and help spread the word. http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html What no youtube? I will give you that... You won this round Madisonman

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Mon 08/18/08 01:35 PM
No one is president bashing its reality wether you like it or not. I dont care if it was a dem in office. Since when does america torture people as a policy? Wage wars under false pretences? Lie lie lie thats all they do. Carter failed to act in 1979....that is where this ALL started! carter tortured people? carter started wars based on lies? is it carters fault kids are comeing home from iraq cripled for life because carter lied? Did Carter turn 911 into a 5 year war in Iraq? Please we are all grown ups here. Bush didn't lie, but many leftists have for the past eight years. Delusion an erroneous belief that is held in the face of evidence to the contrary

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Mon 08/18/08 01:42 PM
No one is president bashing its reality wether you like it or not. I dont care if it was a dem in office. Since when does america torture people as a policy? Wage wars under false pretences? Lie lie lie thats all they do. Carter failed to act in 1979....that is where this ALL started! carter tortured people? carter started wars based on lies? is it carters fault kids are comeing home from iraq cripled for life because carter lied? Did Carter turn 911 into a 5 year war in Iraq? Please we are all grown ups here. Bush didn't lie, but many leftists have for the past eight years. Delusion an erroneous belief that is held in the face of evidence to the contrary Are you sharing your delusions with us? Thanks but I choose to live in the real world on this one. But go ahead and skip through fantasy land if you so choose. Too many have finally pulled their rose colored glasses off now. The reality is showing itself to all who look for it. And it is ugly, stomach turning deciet that has cost hundreds of thousands of innocent lives.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Mon 08/18/08 01:44 PM
Are you sharing your delusions with us? Thanks but I choose to live in the real world on this one. But go ahead and skip through fantasy land if you so choose. Too many have finally pulled their rose colored glasses off now. The reality is showing itself to all who look for it. What did Bush lie about? And it is ugly, stomach turning deciet that has cost hundreds of thousands of innocent lives. A grossly over inflated number.

kerbear73 Joined Wed 01/02/08 Posts: 3884	Mon 08/18/08 01:53 PM
Are you sharing your delusions with us? Thanks but I choose to live in the real world on this one. But go ahead and skip through fantasy land if you so choose. Too many have finally pulled their rose colored glasses off now. The reality is showing itself to all who look for it. What did Bush lie about? And it is ugly, stomach turning deciet that has cost hundreds of thousands of innocent lives. A grossly over inflated number. I am still trying to figure out what Bush lied about, but Dragonbreath has a Narrow Vision when it comes to Bush. But I can guarantee that most of the crap that comes out of of the Leftist are a lie..

madisonman Joined Sun 12/23/07 Posts: 4573	Mon 08/18/08 01:54 PM
The number is shocking and sobering. It is at least 10 times greater than most estimates cited in the US media, yet it is based on a scientific study of violent Iraqi deaths caused by the U.S.-led invasion of March 2003. That study, published in prestigious medical journal The Lancet, estimated that over 600,000 Iraqis had been killed as a result of the invasion as of July 2006. Iraqis have continued to be killed since then. The graphic above provides a rough daily update of this number based on a rate of increase derived from the Iraq Body Count. (See the complete explanation.) The estimate that over a million Iraqis have died received independent confirmation from a prestigious British polling agency in September 2007. Opinion Research Business estimated that 1.2 million Iraqis have been killed violently since the US invasion. This devastating human toll demands greater recognition. It eclipses the Rwandan genocide and our leaders are directly responsible. Little wonder they do not publicly cite it. Here is simple HTML code to post the counter to your website and help spread the word. http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html What no youtube? I will give you that... You won this round Madisonman Well you can also factor in disease and malnutriton infant mortality, I am sure there were many deaths due directly to the destruction of the infrastructore.

kerbear73 Joined Wed 01/02/08 Posts: 3884	Mon 08/18/08 01:59 PM Edited by kerbear73 on Mon 08/18/08 02:00 PM
The number is shocking and sobering. It is at least 10 times greater than most estimates cited in the US media, yet it is based on a scientific study of violent Iraqi deaths caused by the U.S.-led invasion of March 2003. That study, published in prestigious medical journal The Lancet, estimated that over 600,000 Iraqis had been killed as a result of the invasion as of July 2006. Iraqis have continued to be killed since then. The graphic above provides a rough daily update of this number based on a rate of increase derived from the Iraq Body Count. (See the complete explanation.) The estimate that over a million Iraqis have died received independent confirmation from a prestigious British polling agency in September 2007. Opinion Research Business estimated that 1.2 million Iraqis have been killed violently since the US invasion. This devastating human toll demands greater recognition. It eclipses the Rwandan genocide and our leaders are directly responsible. Little wonder they do not publicly cite it. Here is simple HTML code to post the counter to your website and help spread the word. http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html What no youtube? I will give you that... You won this round Madisonman Well you can also factor in disease and malnutriton infant mortality, I am sure there were many deaths due directly to the destruction of the infrastructore. Don't Push it Madisonman

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Mon 08/18/08 02:02 PM
Are you sharing your delusions with us? Thanks but I choose to live in the real world on this one. But go ahead and skip through fantasy land if you so choose. Too many have finally pulled their rose colored glasses off now. The reality is showing itself to all who look for it. What did Bush lie about? And it is ugly, stomach turning deciet that has cost hundreds of thousands of innocent lives. A grossly over inflated number. Sharing your delusions with us also? LOL Oh well, keep skipping through la la land. I showed you what you wanted. Now you choose not to believe it.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Mon 08/18/08 02:03 PM
Are you sharing your delusions with us? Thanks but I choose to live in the real world on this one. But go ahead and skip through fantasy land if you so choose. Too many have finally pulled their rose colored glasses off now. The reality is showing itself to all who look for it. What did Bush lie about? And it is ugly, stomach turning deciet that has cost hundreds of thousands of innocent lives. A grossly over inflated number. I am still trying to figure out what Bush lied about, but Dragonbreath has a Narrow Vision when it comes to Bush. But I can guarantee that most of the crap that comes out of of the Leftist are a lie.. Since I am not a leftist, I guess, no offense taken.

kerbear73 Joined Wed 01/02/08 Posts: 3884	Mon 08/18/08 02:09 PM
Are you sharing your delusions with us? Thanks but I choose to live in the real world on this one. But go ahead and skip through fantasy land if you so choose. Too many have finally pulled their rose colored glasses off now. The reality is showing itself to all who look for it. What did Bush lie about? And it is ugly, stomach turning deciet that has cost hundreds of thousands of innocent lives. A grossly over inflated number. Sharing your delusions with us also? LOL Oh well, keep skipping through la la land. I showed you what you wanted. Now you choose not to believe it. But I am sure all their numbers are extremely inflated, all I could find were liberal websites.

kerbear73 Joined Wed 01/02/08 Posts: 3884	Mon 08/18/08 02:11 PM
Are you sharing your delusions with us? Thanks but I choose to live in the real world on this one. But go ahead and skip through fantasy land if you so choose. Too many have finally pulled their rose colored glasses off now. The reality is showing itself to all who look for it. What did Bush lie about? And it is ugly, stomach turning deciet that has cost hundreds of thousands of innocent lives. A grossly over inflated number. I am still trying to figure out what Bush lied about, but Dragonbreath has a Narrow Vision when it comes to Bush. But I can guarantee that most of the crap that comes out of of the Leftist are a lie.. Since I am not a leftist, I guess, no offense taken. See, I told you that the Leftist lie, People like you make me Hate Obama even more

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Mon 08/18/08 02:37 PM
The problem with the whole thread is that Bush is a President, not a Dictator. He is not the reason we went to war. We have 3 branches of government. If Bush gets charged, so should the House and Senate. BTW I don't see a crime committed.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Mon 08/18/08 02:38 PM
Are you sharing your delusions with us? Thanks but I choose to live in the real world on this one. But go ahead and skip through fantasy land if you so choose. Too many have finally pulled their rose colored glasses off now. The reality is showing itself to all who look for it. What did Bush lie about? And it is ugly, stomach turning deciet that has cost hundreds of thousands of innocent lives. A grossly over inflated number. Sharing your delusions with us also? LOL Oh well, keep skipping through la la land. I showed you what you wanted. Now you choose not to believe it. But I am sure all their numbers are extremely inflated, all I could find were liberal websites. From www.iraqbodycount.org 86,658 – 94,553 You have to remember that this website views all deaths as equal. So the murder of innocent civilians by a car bomber is the same as a terrorist being shot by the police. The actual number of civilian deaths is obviously lower than this figure as all US deaths and terrorist deaths are lumped in with civilian deaths.

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