just speaking from my experience with monsoons, 40 days and nights of rain can happen, nothing new, again, I dont think it was a worldwide flood for Noah, now the Catabol, when the earth (became) null and void was a different destruction after Satans downfall, yes, The proper translation is the earth (became) null and void, God did not create it that way in the beginning,

Okay so your assertion then is that the bible is wrong in its account of the flood being worldwide? I would agree with that. It’s possible that to these people, it was in fact their entire world so they might have expressed it that way in the bible. Mistakes like that are forgivable. The bible was written by men so has the propensity to be erroneous. I guess that’s a given. It also seems that if god has created everything like the Creationists seem to buy into; couldn’t he have just gotten rid of the earth and started over? Why bother with floods and dragging it out in such a manor. So if we accept your theory which seems plausible that this was only one of many floods in a centralized local, then that sort of dispels all the crazy mysticism and god really had nothing to do with it. It was a natural disaster.

I believe God did cause the flood of Noah, but at that time there were Nephilim (fallen angels) which came to earth, left their place of habitation and refused to be born of woman in the flesh, they took flesh women for mates, cause like me and others, they found them attractive, they had offspring, the Gibur, (or giants, like Goliath) and tried to mess up Gods plan, so, he flooded the area, which in turn took care of that little problem.

Lots of folks can't follow the subject and object of a writing these days, (even so called theologians) thus we have lots of confusion and false teachings which the bible even tells us we will have.

To me, (with blessings from my Heavenly Father) the bible is so simple a child can understand it without (man) messing it up. It is really a letter, or book if you will of the adamic family of Adam and Eve and their bloodline through which Christ would come and their dealings with others that they came in contact with down the line, it just so happens that the lessons and stories are workable with all mankind, my beliefs and such, not trying to convert you, thats not my place nor desire, for when it comes down to it, I am only responsible and answerable for my soul and maybe anyones if i led them astray for some reason.
Each soul or entity is born of woman in the flesh to decide for his or herself wether they want to follow God or Satan basically, in a nutshell so to speak

plus I believe that before the day of judgement that all will know the truth and yet some will refuse still to believe

just food for thought, toss it around, do with it what you will

Fallen angels? That’s the first I've heard of this. This just keeps getting better and better.

Na just kidding, you have your beliefs and no one is arguing that YOU personally have faith in this. I think Tribo and few others were looking for some explanations that might make sense from a scientific or geological standpoint however.

yes, fallen angels, for real, its in there.

God did say, let us create man in (our) image. who was he talking to, the stars (children) of heaven, or Angels, we all existed in the spirit before being born of flesh,

you will, in your lifetime possibley, experience or see fallen angels, Satan is one, they will be what we call super natural, able to snap their fingers and call lightning down from heaven and will fool many into believing he is Christ, returned to save us, and will decieve many, look how crazy people get over a movie or rock star, how do you think they will react when this happens, but we will just have to wait and see, dont expect some to believe me anyway, just, read, study, with understanding and pray, a lot will be given you in understanding this way, and don't listen to someone just cause they say they are a preacher, doesn't mean they know what they are talking about.

any way, its been fun, hope i shed some light on at least the way I see it. Hope all of you find the answers you are seeking,

Take care

I wasn't posting for the ones who don't care, just in case it may have shed a different light on matters for some.

you had asked, just trying to let you know where i was coming from a little,

Because you have already aquiesed to a couple points here where the bible was inacurate.

A. The flood, if it occured at all, was not worldwide but in a centralized location. That must be because there was no documentation nor interuption of culture from that point on.

B. Yes, its possible to rain for 40 days and nights straight as it can in areas of South America and the Amazon rain forest basin, but NOT 6 inches a minute which would have killed everyone. So once again the bible is wrong.

If the bible is contiously wrong then when can we trust it to be accurate in regards to anything?

I dont have a concept of Satan. He or it was invented by Christians and is intertwined in their baseline theology. Kind of ironic huh?

That's the aliens I've been telling you and everyone about. Angels my ass. ALIENS. Non-human intelligent life forms. Reptilians. They love to rape human women.

And the flood did not kill them all. They are still here.

JB

All information has value. What people need to do is forget about the Bible being infallible or literally true in every detail.

JB

I don't believe the bible is wrong, only mans interpretations of the bible, man is wrong, don't blame God, man screws up things, world, etc, we don't need any help from God on that

maybe aliens to you JB, but Angels, good or bad, yes there are both

The classic picture of the devil is red with horns and a tail.

Ironically, Draconian aliens have been described as humanoid creatures with horns and a tail. Some have wings. They come (or have been seen) in three colors. Red, Black, White mostly.

These are Draconians. They are galaxy aliens. They dominate the milky way galaxy. These are not the little gray Zeta clones who have been said to be doing abductions.

These aliens are not our friend. It would be fair to call them "Satan and his demons." They are ruled by a Queen and are a female dominated society, except for the ones who rebelled. The rebellion was and is a male dominated group. Hence, Satan.

You think Satan is a bad boy, well, wait until you meet the Queen. She is ten times worse.

JB

Nope, Satan wasn't created by christians, but by God, and through pride, fell, some may not have a concept of him, makes sense, they don't seem to have a concept of God either. It's okay though, we must all believe what we believe, we are each only responsible for what we do, not others

if anyone believes that Satan is red with horns and has a tail, then they are mistaken, He will look just like we do and will decieve a lot of people. There is no pitchfork, redskinned, horns and all that, the lake of fire is not a literal lake of fire, for heaven to be a place of happiness you can't see uncle Joe roasting in a fire, instead, they will be turned to ashes from within, blotted out, when something is blotted out, it won't even be remembered to be missed

They must first learn to read and comprehend, follow the gist of the writing and not take a verse here and a verse there and try to make sense out of it, doesn't work that way

(((((((((Tom))))))))))))) well this is a pleasant surprise....



And got a handle so will just watch from the sidelines.......congrats by the way.......makes the matchmaker love her job all the more...giggle.

BIBLE INERRANCY!!!

That is the ultimate sand in the gears!!!

The small minority of christians (small minority of christians) whom claim and defend tooth and nail, as the truth for everyone, that there are no ERRORS in the bible. Pretexting that it is the word of god, and that it should be believed word for word by all.

Believe in what you will. It is YOUR privilege. To hypocritically impose your beliefs, as if it were the ultimate truth, to all humanity, will always be a gross perversion; a lie!!!

Many groups have radical beliefs. Quakers and Hamish come to mind. And they have my respect in spite of the fact the I don't share nor do I care to share their belief system.

But I respect, and defend their right to beleive.

Only a small proportion of fundamentalist 'bible inerrancy' 'imposers', very close to imposters, cross the line between personal beliefs, and perpetuate the lie of 'knowing what is true and right for all humanity' !!!

Okay that is perfectly fine but you still have not addressed the issues here at tall. You did agree that the bible was incorrect in this assertion that the flood at the time of Noah was worldwide. So that is one fallacy. The other is that it was raining for 40 days and 40 nights at the rate of 6 inches per minute. This would not be compatible with human life. That is the second erroneous statement found within the scripture. So now how do you account for these two fallacies and what are your theories as to what might have occurred exactly? Any guesses?

Now its perfectly fine for the writers of the bible to exagerate or make false claims because they probably felt like at the time, the whole world is flooding! Thats reasonable. But now we are looking at the bigger picture and no, probaly the entire planet did not flood because there was no break in culture but what did happen?