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Edited by
Krimsa
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Oh and Eljay, it’s an "isolated incident"? Come on now. What about your famous "virgin Mary" Why would it be so important for Mary to be considered a "virgin"? Because it implies that god had some kind of role in knocking her up. It would have been yucky and "unholy" for her to become pregnant in the traditional manner. My guess is it wasn't Joseph. It was another man who impregnated her and it may have been rape. Joseph probably knew what would happen if this got out and became common knowledge. A stoning more than likely. So the two of them concocted this story to spare Mary's life and get out of dodge before those crazy villagers got wind of it. It was considered "important" for Mary to be a virgin because it was prophised she would be thousands of years previous to this. It was stated first that the saviour would be born to a virgin. It is one of the 3,000+ fullfilled prophecies of the Old Testiment which told of the coming of Jesus. But seriously - is this something that you are unfamiliar with? Just not buying it. At least not from a logical perspective. Tell me with a straight face that Mary was a "virgin". By definition of virgin, let’s just say a person who has not been intimate with one of the opposite sex. Do you think this was actually the case? Not to mention, why would it be “bad” or “unholy” if a man had actually impregnated Mary? Isn’t that the way it’s normally done? You have had sex before correct? I don’t want to jump to conclusions here. Mary was a virgin. Your "not buying it" has no bearing on it's validity. Please don't confuse this with the "perpetuality of virginity" as described in Catholicism though - I don't buy into that. Mary had other children after Jesus - and that would have ended the "virginity" status at that point. I wouldn't say that you are jumping to conclusions - but I am curious as to how much you are limiting God. Do you think that the God of scripture - who fashioned Adam from the earth, and Eve from his rib - incapable of impregnating a virgin by mere thought? Mary was not a "virgin". She had to have sex with someone. I don’t know who it was but I don’t think it was Joseph however. My theory is she was sexually assaulted but she might have confessed this to Joseph because she was a young girl and she was frightened of what these villagers would do to her if they found out she had been raped. Stoning most likley in public. I am not confusing anything. She had sex and Jesus was the result. Jesus was a man. Jesus more than likely had descendants of his own also. I am not limiting god. I am simply stating that there is no way he got Mary pregnant telekinetically. So are you suggesting that god had sex with Mary? There are also no ribs forming human beings. That is just a fictitious account from the bible. |
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  WHEW! Done. I did it, I read the whole thing.  doh! I could have been cleaning up my office. Oh well!  By the way it was a pleasure to read you Krimsa and I will look forward to seeing you in other threads. Everyone - later now! Yes Krimsa was the only one in the entire thread who actually stuck to the rules. She used only the Bible to show that it contradicts itself, and she succeeded with sound arguments that could not be refuted by using the same rules. A toast to Krimsa! 
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Fri 08/08/08 02:17 PM
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I couldn't agree more Abra, Hats off to Krimsa for using reason!
I just wish it was contagious . . . |
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To Krimsa
WHO WON, ANYWAY? |
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WHO WON, ANYWAY? Jessie Lee, Artgurl, and Anoasis all won telepathically. 
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You guys are cool but I dont think anyone "won" per se. Its just been endless arguing.
 Red we have just been trying to point out inconsistent statements and contradictions in the bible. There are a lot in my opinion but then you have many people of faith who dont see it that way and everyone's opinion needs to be respected of course.
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Dear redy......so many times I have put up proof and then I hear nothing from anyone....is that indicating that I have silenced the masses.....Yep.
Scripture doesn't change redy man/women do. the only thing that has truly changed is that Christ came and thus the old law no longer applied....However just like with Jesus it doesn't mean that it can't be used to teach, to learn....it just mean that the law itself is no longer warranted as the only way now to the Father God is throught he Son.....CHRIST Twist is and turn like all of you do.....It doesn't change a gosh darn thing.. |
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Dear redy......so many times I have put up proof and then I hear nothing from anyone....is that indicating that I have silenced the masses.....Yep. Evidently you must be having a lot of dreams about posting on forums.  Scripture doesn't change redy man/women do. the only thing that has truly changed is that Christ came and thus the old law no longer applied.... It hasn't changed Redy, it's just that God changed it. The man who did not come to change the law changed them. Hmmmmm? However just like with Jesus it doesn't mean that it can't be used to teach, to learn....it just mean that the law itself is no longer warranted as the only way now to the Father God is throught he Son.....CHRIST So if they old laws are no longer warranted then why do Christians preach against homosexuality? Twist is and turn like all of you do.....It doesn't change a gosh darn thing.. You look like you're doing enough twisting for everyone.  ~~~~ Well, shake it up, baby, now, (shake it up, baby) Twist and shout. (twist and shout) Cmon cmon, cmon, cmon, baby, now, (come on baby) Come on and work it on out. (work it on out) Well, work it on out, honey. (work it on out) You know you look so good. (look so good) You know you got me goin, now, (got me goin) Just like I knew you would. (like I knew you would) Well, shake it up, baby, now, (shake it up, baby) Twist and shout. (twist and shout) Cmon, cmon, cmon, cmon, baby, now, (come on baby) Come on and work it on out. (work it on out) You know you twist your little girl, (twist, little girl) You know you twist so fine. (twist so fine) Come on and twist a little closer, now, (twist a little closer) And let me know that youre mine. (let me know youre mine) Well, shake it up, baby, now, (shake it up, baby) Twist and shout. (twist and shout) Cmon, cmon, cmon, cmon, baby, now, (come on baby) Come on and work it on out. (work it on out) You know you twist your little girl, (twist, little girl) You know you twist so fine. (twist so fine) Come on and twist a little closer, now, (twist a little closer) And let me know that youre mine. (let me know youre mine) Well, shake it, shake it, shake it, baby, now. (shake it up baby) Well, shake it, shake it, shake it, baby, now. (shake it up baby) Well, shake it, shake it, shake it, baby, now. (shake it up baby) |
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BIBLE INCONSISTENCIES --JB GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created. 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. ************************************ GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created. Genesis 2:4-9 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) 4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. |
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BIBLE INCONSISTENCIES
GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created. Genesis 1:24-27 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) 24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created. Genesis 2:7 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. |
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GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. |
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I thought man and animals were created by evolution? You cant have it both ways!
So that would mean god did it, yet he is inconsistent or else it was evolution....that would take all of the blame off god. Which is it?
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GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.
31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. ****************************** GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation. (Note: That God should be displeased is inconsistent with the concept of omniscience.) 5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. |
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I thought man and animals were created by evolution? You cant have it both ways! So that would mean god did it, yet he is inconsistent or else it was evolution....that would take all of the blame off god. Which is it? I am going strictly by what the Bible says, posting Bible inconsistencies. |
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wrong on all counts - JB, - the creation story is two fold the first 6 day setting is from gods view, the second from mans - adams view - we have already been through this. the other i let you hammer our with spider.
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 08/08/08 04:35 PM
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GE 2:15-17, 3:4-6 It is wrong to want to be able to tell good from evil.
15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. *************************************** HE 5:13-14 It is immature to be unable to tell good from evil. 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. |
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wrong on all counts - JB, - the creation story is two fold the first 6 day setting is from gods view, the second from mans - adams view - we have already been through this. the other i let you hammer our with spider. Since the claim is that God wrote the Bible and the Bible is "God's word" then it should all be from God's view. Who is claiming that Adam wrote any of it? Please tell me where you came to that conclusion? JB |
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GE 10:5, 20, 31
There were many languages before the Tower of Babel. 5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. ************************ GE 11:1 There was only one language before the Tower of Babel. Genesis 11 1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. |
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Edited by
Abracadabra
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Fri 08/08/08 04:51 PM
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17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. This one reminds me of a debate that took place a while back. Someone was arguing that God lied to Adam and Eve telling them that they would surely die if they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil The argument from the non-believer was that they didn't die. The argument from the believer was that they did die eventually. The argument being that they would have never died had they not eaten the fruit. But that's not what the verse says,... It clearly says,... "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" That means that they would die the same day they ate it. Clearly that didn't happen. This means that God lied when he threatened them that they would die in the day that they ate it. Either that or he changed his mind. Bingo! God either lies or changes his mind. There's no way out of that one. |
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wrong on all counts - JB, - the creation story is two fold the first 6 day setting is from gods view, the second from mans - adams view - we have already been through this. the other i let you hammer our with spider. Since the claim is that God wrote the Bible and the Bible is "God's word" then it should all be from God's view. Who is claiming that Adam wrote any of it? Please tell me where you came to that conclusion? JB misunderstanding JB, adam did not write it, supposedly moses did, but what i meant is that the first is a view of gods creativity, the second is from the perspective of what was going on in the world and especially in the garden of eden its not the original telling, it is after the fact of creation. seperate gen 1 from gen 2 and you will see this. |
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