As i said spidy, you are held to a higher standard than me - just as wouldee and ferral, i'm just a troll -

Im not in the business of defining words, I leave that up to dictionaries, the most relevant definition I found that applies to the topic at hand would be . . .

Miracle:
"a marvelous event manifesting a supernatural act of a divine agent"

Where the word Supernatural would be to my thought process the kicker . . . . .

FREE choice tribo...would you prefer that God make you & mind numb robot instead? Think about it!!!

It is you that have continually ignored my arguments spider. I can not tell if you are giving up or what you want me to do about that exactly. You tell me. I have been waiting here. Whenever you feel square, jump.

My argument was stronger than more supported by evidence than Abras. Period. Abra's argument depended on the assumption that humanity acted the same way before the flood as before the coming of Jesus. That is a fallacy, because the only evidence we have of those times presents them as completely different. Abras argument is that "They were the same and it's just not in the Bible". Any fair and reasonable person would see the problem with that argument.

If you find yourself becoming frustrated because you can't convince other people that your picture of God is the right picture then perhaps it's time to ask yourself if you're really barking up the right tree in the first place.

No one should ever become frustrated if they are truly preaching the word of the creator of this universe. That very idea is an oxymoronic idea.

Spider...if she wants to insist on playing this little diversion game, just ignore her. She'll just go away soon enough.

does god not state that he "hates'? you think he did not feel pain or suffering in his death on the cross? did he not sweat tears of blood asking himself to take this cup away from himself??

Right. I agree with that comment.

Also Feralcatlady . . pointing to a book and saying this is my evidence does not hold up in court for a good reason, it also in even the loosest terms . . . is NOT evidence.

how old do you think the earth is? How long do you think it took to form? (Im assuming from your post you take a very literal view of the bible)

I'll wait until your reason is no longer clouded by feelings of outrage. I would hate to be having a nice discussion only to be interrupted by you claiming I yelled at you in a previous post.

Jesus was a man. How could he not feel pain during crucifixion? That’s illogical. He had nails through his hands. I think his feet also. Do you realize that over the course of hours you suffocate with your arms tied like that to your side because it forces you to lift your own body weight in order to take a breath. How could the man not feel pain! It’s a terrible way to go.

LOL...Waaaaaaa!!!!! LOL

I wonder if she would like a little cheese with that whine??? LOL

You brought that up with your ridiculous comment that the Christians were being so well mannered and I pointed out your own loss of temper and that of your friends. I am not in the slightest bit angry. Nor have I ever been.

Tribo,

You are twisting the meanings of my words. Did Jesus experience pain? Yes. Does Jesus experience your pain when you skin your knee? No. Your and Abra's claim is that God must experience everything in order to be God. What verse supports that statement? What definition of Omnipotence or Omniscience supports that position? You had to create a new word to even describe the phenomena. I'm sure your intentions are pure (although you did assure me you are only a troll), but your arguments have left the realm of rationality.

I was discussing Tribo's theory that God experiences everything. Not trying to be offensive, but do you keep context into mind when reading my posts and responding to them?

You are mimicking what I just said about feral. She uses these insults as a digrestionary tactic. At least be original instead of simply reiterating what others have commented on. Thanks.

Do you even read my comments? I am also wondering why we should believe that you speak directly for god? You seem to be implying that?

no - thats why i'm no longer a christian.

If your mind wasn't clouded with feelings of outrage, you wouldn't still be claiming that I "yelled" at you. And I never once said that Christians are "well mannered" (although anyone would have to admit that Eljay is a truly stand-up guy with a very even temper), my point was that Christians get called on their bad behavior while non-Christians usually get away with it.

I think I know now. You remind me of my ex. When I would get mad at her, she would fall back to some perceived insult, so that she could switch the argument around. You are doing the same thing. I commented that you shouldn't insult Christians, so you are trying to find something I have done wrong so that you can hang that on me.