Yes, I read your comments, did you read mine?

Jesus felt a great deal of pain on the cross and before while being scourged. But Jesus doesn't experience everyone's pain, which is what Tribo was asserting.

Ick, thats just creepy spider. Im not comfortable with that comment. Judge?

thus sayeth tribo: until you can prove to me that omni does not mean literally "all" there is no way to avoid my questions - a definition outside of christianity. one acceptable to all posting here on this subject- fair enough?

What comment? Me comparing you to my ex? Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable, but that wasn't an argument. I was simply noting your behavior. Your attempts to bring up something, which you had previously stated was a misunderstanding. I wasn't yelling, any reasonable person would come to that conclusion from the little note that I added. I'm really sorry for that misunderstanding, but this is my last time apologizing for it. If you want to hang onto the belief that I "yelled" at you, then that's none of my business.

Tribo...

God is never once called "Omniscient" in the Bible.

God is never once called "Omnipotent" in the Bible.

There is one word used in the Bible, which is translated one time as "omnipotent", but it doesn't really mean that. It means ruler.

Therefore to have a discussion that if the prefix "omni" (for some inexplicable reason ignoring the suffix) is applied to God, we must discuss if God can experiences all things, is just plain ridiculous.

where does it state that jesus does not feel my pain when i skin my knee? Me, Abra, are trying to make you see that if god is "not omni-everything" then he is not a perfect god. For me at least - it's all or nothing spidy, he is either perfect in every way and in all things and in all thought, and in all circumstances - ad infinitum - or - he is not. If your god has flaws - then he is only your god, not mine or anyone elses out side of your beliefs. He is a god for those of supreme faith only.

Good one.

Tribo,

You have once again attempted to redefine God to make God impossible. God must be omni everything? That doesn't make sense and you have to know that. Have you truly run out of all possible logical arguments and are now posting these sorts of things?

Why is God not perfect, unless he experiences all things? How does that make God more "perfect" and what definition of "perfect" are you using? God can't be perfect if he hasn't personally experienced rape from both positions? It's just silly and you know that. Let's ignore this line of thought and pick up somewhere more logical and productive.

Omnipotence and Omniscience etc.

If God is everywhere, then God is in me and in all things.

If God knows everything, then God experiences what I and everyone else experiences and knows what we know.

If God is all powerful then God can do anything It(God) imagines and be anyone.

If these are true, then this describes PANTHEISM. Nothing more, nothing less.

JB

Spoken like a person who completely discounts their faith & God's grace... Now that's what's called rebellion.

again you pick and choose, the word can also mean - all powerfull #5 meaning - thats why i state you guys want to exigis all the words thats fine, the only way i will accept your answers is if you use outside sources that all can look at and make a determination that we can all agree upon. - or - you use -

"better quality lexicons" (like BDAG, Louw & Nida, and TDNT), which will list the specific Biblical texts which use a certain meaning. For instance, if the Greek word for love has three possible meanings, they will list underneath each of those meanings the passages which use the word love in that particular way, and they often give you the grammatical reasoning why they put that text under that particular meaning. That is not always an infallible guide, but it sure beats the guessing game that Strongs puts you into.

your choice - strongs is not reliable as far as i'm concerned.

Pantheism truly is the most beautiful picture of God that mankind has come up with thus far. Nothing surpasses it.

i didn't know faith could be discounted?

grace is not a "free gift" there are way to many strings attached for me to even think about accepting it.

Common sense says if you want information you go to those with the knowledge & experience in it...that would be a Christian.

Certainly not someone who is lacking when it comes to God's word. Right?

That's the point.

There is no reason to rebel against the true source of life.
The only rebellion necessary is against tyranny, bondage, cruelty and slavery.

Therefor if you see rebellion, you might want to closely examine the specifics of the situation. Why would anyone rebel against freedom, love, truth, happiness, and life?

They wouldn't.

So all rebellion is probably against demigods and dictators.

JB

I peed my pants on that one.

No I am asking you to explain the contradiction I brought forward. Is he a vengeful god or is a peaceful, loving god? He seems to go both ways (in a manner of speaking) I do not buy that the bible was written by an omnipotent creature because frankly, there is too much evidence to the contrary. You stated that god has an "unchanging character." I showed you that this was flawed reasoning on your part. How do you know that god feels no fear or doubt? Do you have some kind of telepathic link to the almighty himself? Does he speak to you? That’s what your argument here seems to be based on and I can’t accept that. Please explain how a celestial being of omnipotence can be both loving and hurtful and express these emotions exactly like men do? Doesn’t that sound a little inconsistent with omnipotence? I guess we are still debating that.

Here is another human attribute you can attempt to rationalize away. God as jealous ass. Here we go. Probably a lot like your ex wife though. Don’t go there again with me. It’s creepy and I’m not having it.

Exodus 20:5 (King James Version)

"Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;"

I just choked on my tea.

the "only one" who could possibly have the "right" answers is your god, and he's not talking - here or anywhere else!! there is NO christian that "speaks" for god - none - never will be. You might fancy there are - but your dead wrong.

There's a blatant contradiction right there.

If God is all-loving and all-benevolent then why should anyone hate him?

Yet here he is claiming that people hate him.

Why should they hate him if he's so benevolent and righteous?

Do they just misunderstand him?

If that's the case and he's all-wise, why doesn't he just clear up the misunderstanding?

Clearly there's a huge contradiction here.

No one should have any reason to hate an all-benevolent all-righteous God if they truly understand him. And if they don't truly misunderstand him then who's fault could that be?

Clearly this picture makes no sense at all.

It's totally insane.