QS....

lol......nice how you interpret my words as saying "others" are rebellious against god......

seems to me if any is rebellious against god, then that is rebellious toward fellow man, as god was said "to be within" even the the smallest and seeimgly most insignificant one to the greatest and most percieved wicked, lol......

rebellion toward god is the incredible power of worshipping being "right", which makes one rebellious toward any other that speaks a different belief, so powerful when this coat is fully worn, that this feeling would even be ok with millions being killed, all in the name of "right" interpretation of "god"..........

it seems easy to say as well, who can know any text and not see this is a accursed feeling, and feelings come from belief, and if belief produce this, then it is not love for all, but rather only for some, and even the love of some is not true love, but rather a love of recieving adulation, and praise most, that make one "believe" they "feel" love, which does not match the "key" that is spoken as to WHAT be as the sight or perspective of god........

this holy perception is most suited for undying love of "rightness" and is nothing more than a holy spirit that just loooooooove's percieved self holiness and goodness and rightness more than people.......

it is the worship of even a "holy spirit" as god, and does not even worship jesus, but only half of all the words spoken, the half that suite this feeling the greatest.........

it does not even worship what one has done unto the least of these thuo hast done unto me.......

it does not worship KNOW you are equal to your neighbor....

it does not even worship no no man can resist the will of god...

it does not worship love thy enemy as yourself......

how can onelove their enemy and call him rebellious is beyond me, but oh yes, the reaosn is seen with clarity......

it is the white robe of self righteousness, and is NOT the coat of many colors, for in this day nothing except the coat of many colors will have love for all, and still yet any that profess to speak as self professed mouthpiece's of god, ignore there are TWO spirits mentioned time and again in text, EACH having different characteristics and called as TWO seperate entities.......

if even this were acknowldged as simple truth, then some INVESTIGATION of these TWO would be had........

and so each that profess a holy spirit bring more this accursed feeling of "rightness" and do not see it lead to a path of seeing one was uttering and totally guilty of the condemnation of all their fellow man, and this indeed break a heart into a million pieces when seen, but produce a fertile ground for true love to be born, so it's purpose is for good and perfect....

it is not easy to miss a holy spirit filled christian, as they walk with the love of rightness held up in front of the eyes, as a red carpet of blood, trampling over "god in all" to get themselves into the door of self-righteoussness...........

this is not an appealing truth, or one that any is not better when not having, but as you see fit, as it is not hard to see that if any words change anything, it can only be destiny, or the truth, or "god" doing so, and that no man has power to create even a blade of grass, so certainally no power to change perception..........

Um...David? Is all that coming from someone who believes or not?

If not, then maybe it's not true to assume that. Yu think?

What does the word "Believe" mean?

I think it has a myriad of meanings.

In the context of...

Son, you're going to Hell (because you don't truly "believe") and my heart goes out to you...

...it's meaning is narrowed into a corner. A corner that leads to nowhere.

There are many ways in which to believe. No one way is more right than another. In the long run, do we not all reach the same conclusion? One that eludes us 'til it's time to know? Does that time come at the time of THE Rapture? Or is Rapture what we ALL eventually experience (regardless of prescribed or subscribed to belief)?

Am I just a lost soul here, or might this make some sense?

truth is in the eye of the beholder.......

words are as words written.....

there is no word ever taken lightly after the knowing that all life and death lay on the tongue.......

there is no "state of being" that if professed, is not lost or left immediately, as a signal "this is contained" is sent to the mind of that being, rendering any human heart closed for the business of learning more, leaving only figments of the mind for food.......



all things, even most the ones looking like dung, are creating bliss for all.........

Well if your talking about something like "Will that chair hold me up?" Of course...

Every road leads to somewhere...even if it's nowhere. That's really the point...where are people going when they make decisions & why shouldn't the road to nowhere be called for what it is...BEFORE someone takes that path?

Is the societal road that says "we have to pick up for those who are a drag on themselves & everyone else" the only road to take anymore? Is anything else like maybe "the road of individual responsibility" a curse we have to live with...for the sake of "compassion"? Sounds pretty phoney to me.

I think that is the only thing that is intellectually dishonest. Call it for what it is.

So, should I now consider myself an intellectually dishonest lost soul?

Only for people who can't see the validity in what is being said. Would that be you? Only you can tell.

...but let's not make it personal. Many are on this road of this sort of thinking. Maybe instead of resisting, another way of looking at it would be to ask what is the best way of success? Yu think?

QS.........

"IF" the world is lost as a huge ship, and is sinking, so are all that are onboard, except for those that say they are saved?

does not a "feeling" that seek to cut others out of a lifeboat called the truth, do so to procure bliss for itself?

does not this feeling when fully birthed and given opportunity endorse murder and chaos and war?

is not "one interpretation" of anything as the "whole truth" what has made EVERY WAR EVER FOUGHT?

could this by why the biblical text is written as it is, totally ambiguous as to meaning?

does it not strike the heart when hearing ones words......GOD HAS SPOKEN, YOU ARE DAMED AND SHALL DIE?

does not this "feeling" even wish for evil neighbors to be destroyed, to make for oneself bliss?

is not the "spirit" or "feeling" behind such things painfully obvious?

many say that "god" was as vengfull and murderous in text, but who indeed did the killing?

was god ever in text as anything more than people?

when time for vengence come, will you be the first to pick up arms, to follow the guy from the sky on a horse come that has come to slay all the evil beings?

was it not all the "faithfull followers" doing the killing in each and every story written within biblical text?

the interpretations thus far have created all misery the world has ever seen, and as such are NOT THE WHOLE TRUTH.

to say it simple QS, it was a trick, a deception, to make all that really believed they met the requirements, and believed they loved unconditionally, see they did not, by living it and doing it, as who would not profess they love others that profess, lol.........

to see and admit it, one has to DO IT, as NONE IS BORN WITH UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, and seeing this impossibiltity allow true love to BE BORN...............

show me one that love unconditonally?

does not uncondtionally mean with NO STRINGS ATTACHED?

is this not said to be the only thing raptured?

perfect love?

so any that are honest enough to admit they meet no religious requirements are the blessed, not the professors?

a perfect fulfillment of many stories from times past?

jesus, born in a manger, when all thought and wanted a KING!

it is a swith girl, whether you believe it or not, and this will NEVER BE PROVEN TO BE UNTRUE.

but indeed, you are already saved, heading for the prommised land, while your neighbors are left?

would not true love give up their own spot on any rescue boat for all those they love?

who do we love, only those that say all we want to hear?

those that give so graciously what we want to recieve?

there is only one "saving", and that is saying all one truly is and not what they wish to be, PERIOD.

any truth that make people afraid to admit with honesty what they are, who they are, and what they HONESTLY think, is onlny twisting words into a perception of god that is not the whole picture........

was not the very first act of running from "what we are" in the story of the garden, where hiding from truth or god was done, and tunics of ego were made for covering..........

the ego's shall disolve to nothing, and this is happening all around, and is MORE LOVE, not less, and is only percieved as less by a HOLY perception of love.........

it takes more courage to freely admit what one IS then all self professing words of christianity combined, and the will to make oneself a better person a decepetion, which make one believe they are what they are TRYING WITH ALL HONEST EFFORT TO BE, but is not what they are, or it would take no effort.....

what one wish themself "to be" spoken is the only INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY......

words spoken from such dishonesty do not create courage and freedom on others to admit what one is, and each word believed actually seperate oneself longer from themself, where the truth lie within, trying to whisper, but VAIN TEACHINGS WITH FEAR, keep the truth of "all one is" from being spoken, which let out the GOOD THINGS PEOPLE ARE!!!!!!!!!!!

give me a child that can honestly say what they are without fear, over all the well mannnered OBEDIENT fear serving kids taught flattery and words of pleasing any day, and you will see a child that is never overun by their own mind and pier pressure, and create things from nothing!

please, this is a god, but not the god i recognize, and so now since you asked what i believe, you have it, lol.........

your still the best just in case you think that love is all kind words, lol........i totally know that you love, but if you love the love you have now, what about a larger love that could love the whole world, as would not that be a 10 times bigger picture, so likewise a 10 times bigger feeling?

peace

Your arguement is not with me. That's what God says. This is not a love thing...it's warning people about the choices they make that violate what God's word says. That's all...

It's twisted to think that Christians lack love because they use God's word to point out what His will is for humanity. LOL...

That's like putting me in jail for trying to save someone's life. LOL Ridiculous!

is not an argument only percieved by one that believes there is no other opinion worthy but their own, making all words heard as an attack?

what words then can allow for any other wisdom of others to be added, and can be heard after this assessment?

does this not show any such speaker as believing they are already as all wise and all knowing?

what wisdom does not grow more each day?

does this not show it is not wisdom?

does this not show a mind that does not increase in any learning?

does this not deny any responsibility of any words spoken as needing sound judgment and wisdom?

if ones make professions and assertions in a public domain, and declares what GOD say, when many created believe in a higher power and god, then does not as well WELCOME All RESPONSES from others, does not show only a wish to defame others, and only come into a house to condem all that sit and try to eat.....

whom is to blame for reactions but the speaker who spoke the words that brought such reactions?

Right on target DB!

You can believe in anything you want. If we disagree, we are not attacking you. Its not all about you. It is all just opinions and that is what makes us who we think we are.

JB

i concur precisely dear jeaniebeanie.....

have i accused someone of attacking me?

it is all about each, making it as much about me, as it is about each one eqaully, so what meaning does your statment have?

QS.....

It's twisted to think that Christians lack love because they use God's word to point out what His will is for humanity. LOL...

That's like putting me in jail for trying to save someone's life. LOL Ridiculous!


it is not more twisted to believe the meaning of christianity is taking interpretations of perception and trying to impose them upon all makind which were said by your text professed to believe to be created as FREE MORAL AGENTS?

is it not the speaker which try to put into jail all those that don't follow such imposed guidelines?

how can any one perception be a guide for all humanity?

if there is such a thing as gods interpretation, would it not have to be one that would not go against the free will of the people by decision?

is god a dictator?

does not one whom seeks to impose will upon others violate all concepts of civil rights and humanity?

then if man is this caring, how can a god believed to have created man not be MUCH more caring and considerate?

No...I'm saying exactly what you ARE saying...that anything that doesn't agree with you is an attack.

That's EXACTLY what YOU mean.

I know what YOU mean & I'm not buying it....short & sweet. I don't feel the need to be anything but direct.

Well, let's all take a moment and turn to page 514....

" Stand up, stand up for Jesus,
ye soldiers of the cross;
lift high his royal banner,
it must not suffer loss.
From victory unto victory
his army shall he lead,
till every foe is vanquished,
and Christ is Lord indeed!"

There. Now don't you feel better? Not to mention, like kicking some Unbeliever butt?

Truly.

When the name of Jesus is used as an excuse to go to war, even if only a philosophical war, has not the cause already been lost?

Philosophical wars are between brains while religious wars are between nations and groups .
However they get the same outcome in the eyes of the fanatics .

Such violence in these Christian hymns. Another reason I never liked going to Church.

If I recall correctly, James, you're from same general area as I, so I'm sure you've happened across a Quaker or two. And you know how the mainstream Christians treated them many years ago.

See, I can't imagine ANY Quaker employing some of the violent Fundy rhetoric often seen here, can you?

I wish more Christians were like the Friends.

-Kerry O.

I know. I was raised with this stuff and couldn't wait to get away from it.

Here's another:

"Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war, with the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;forward into battle see his banners go!"

And you just know that someone's going to say, "It's just a METAPHOR, stupid!"

I wonder.

-Kerry O.