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http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/catholic.htm I found this to be very interesting. A comparison of Protestant and Catholic views. That was an interesting read. As mythologies go I'd say the Catholics definitely have a better organized mythology. At least they have a spokes person: For Catholics: The pope is Jesus' representative on Earth. Protestants are suppose to turn to the Holy Spirit. For Protestants: The Holy Spirit is Jesus' representative. But if that's true then why do we see so many fruitcakes running around proclaiming that only they have the correct interpretation of the word of God? That very act would be anti-protestantism. They would become nothing more than "Paper Popes". I LOVE THAT TERM!  But the reason why I love it is because it's so TRUE! Any protestant preacher (whether self-proclaimed or ordained) is nothing more than a Paper Pope. But according to the web site you just gave that's against what protestants believe. They believe that only the Holy Spirit can represent Jesus. Therefore anyone who claims to represent Jesus (by the very act of claiming to have the ulimate correct interpretation of his word) would be comitting blaspheme. (i.e. they would be claiming to be the Holy Spirit) So people like Spider would be totally out. He's constantly claiming to know precisely what the word of God says, and he's always claiming to 'correct' everyone else, believers as well as non-believers. I think he seriously had dreams of being the Pope, but since that's not possible he tries to become the self-appointed non-ordained Paper Pope of Protestantism. Quite frankly, if I was still a Christian I'd be denouncing him even more vehemently than I already do.  Clearly, it's the Holy Spirit's job to communicate the word of God to people, not Spider's job. And that's according to the actual religion. (if that web site you gave is deemed credible) I believe it is on this point, but this has always been my understanding too. The Holy Spirit is the only one who can guide a person, and no mortal man has that right, or obligation. In fact, it's completely against the religion because all they would be doing is becoming the Paper Pope of Protestantism. I LOVE that term! It's SO TRUE!!!!
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voileazur
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http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/catholic.htm I found this to be very interesting. A comparison of Protestant and Catholic views.  What exactly did you find interesting in that site??? If protestant fundamentalism persists, the protestant 'blend' of 'christianity' will end-up being a church of ONE !!! All about being 'right', and making everything, and everyone else wrong. There no 'right' or 'wrong' way in the domain of faith. Electing oneself as the judge of what, and who's wrong according to one's way of 'living' one's faith, is the ultimate 'unchristian' thing to do. As some fundamentalists would say about other fellow human beings: '... we love the protestant sinner, it is his arrogant, delusional, divisive and sinful 'way of life' that we 'dislike'!!!...' As I said, would be interested in reading your interpretation of same?!?!? |
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If protestant fundamentalism persists, the protestant 'blend' of 'christianity' will end-up being a church of ONE !!! If Protestants would stick to what they supposedly claim to believe there wouldn't be any fundamentalism. Only the Holy Spirit is supposed to speak for Jesus. No man speaks for Jesus. When was the last time you saw a fundie who didn't claim to have the only correct interpretation of the words of Jesus? As well as the rest of the Bible. Clearly fundamentalists are a spiritual virus that has infested the religion. As I've said, I've denied them even when I was a protestant Christian, and so did my church. I continue to deny them today. They are in violation of the Holy Spirit. |
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If protestant fundamentalism persists, the protestant 'blend' of 'christianity' will end-up being a church of ONE !!! If Protestants would stick to what they supposedly claim to believe there wouldn't be any fundamentalism. Only the Holy Spirit is supposed to speak for Jesus. No man speaks for Jesus. When was the last time you saw a fundie who didn't claim to have the only correct interpretation of the words of Jesus? As well as the rest of the Bible. Clearly fundamentalists are a spiritual virus that has infested the religion. As I've said, I've denied them even when I was a protestant Christian, and so did my church. I continue to deny them today. They are in violation of the Holy Spirit. Couldn't agree more Abra, and that site simply reinforces the notion that the 'virus' gaining grounds!!! |
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http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/catholic.htm I found this to be very interesting. A comparison of Protestant and Catholic views. That was an interesting read. As mythologies go I'd say the Catholics definitely have a better organized mythology. At least they have a spokes person: For Catholics: The pope is Jesus' representative on Earth. Protestants are suppose to turn to the Holy Spirit. For Protestants: The Holy Spirit is Jesus' representative. But if that's true then why do we see so many fruitcakes running around proclaiming that only they have the correct interpretation of the word of God? That very act would be anti-protestantism. They would become nothing more than "Paper Popes". I LOVE THAT TERM! But the reason why I love it is because it's so TRUE! Any protestant preacher (whether self-proclaimed or ordained) is nothing more than a Paper Pope. But according to the web site you just gave that's against what protestants believe. They believe that only the Holy Spirit can represent Jesus. Therefore anyone who claims to represent Jesus (by the very act of claiming to have the ulimate correct interpretation of his word) would be comitting blaspheme. (i.e. they would be claiming to be the Holy Spirit) So people like Spider would be totally out. He's constantly claiming to know precisely what the word of God says, and he's always claiming to 'correct' everyone else, believers as well as non-believers. I think he seriously had dreams of being the Pope, but since that's not possible he tries to become the self-appointed non-ordained Paper Pope of Protestantism. Quite frankly, if I was still a Christian I'd be denouncing him even more vehemently than I already do. Clearly, it's the Holy Spirit's job to communicate the word of God to people, not Spider's job. And that's according to the actual religion. (if that web site you gave is deemed credible) I believe it is on this point, but this has always been my understanding too. The Holy Spirit is the only one who can guide a person, and no mortal man has that right, or obligation. In fact, it's completely against the religion because all they would be doing is becoming the Paper Pope of Protestantism. I LOVE that term! It's SO TRUE!!!! Speaking of fruit cakes, I see the secular world has its share as well. 
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http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/catholic.htm I found this to be very interesting. A comparison of Protestant and Catholic views. What exactly did you find interesting in that site??? If protestant fundamentalism persists, the protestant 'blend' of 'christianity' will end-up being a church of ONE !!! All about being 'right', and making everything, and everyone else wrong. There no 'right' or 'wrong' way in the domain of faith. Electing oneself as the judge of what, and who's wrong according to one's way of 'living' one's faith, is the ultimate 'unchristian' thing to do. As some fundamentalists would say about other fellow human beings: '... we love the protestant sinner, it is his arrogant, delusional, divisive and sinful 'way of life' that we 'dislike'!!!...' As I said, would be interested in reading your interpretation of same?!?!? I found the comparison interesting. I figured that would be obvious to the reader. I was wrong. |
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My feeling is that some people wanted to keep their faith and their religion, but they did not like the governance of the Pope and the Catholic Church, hence they went their separate way. These people were called "heretics" and many of them were killed and persecuted by the Catholic Church.
Catholics and protestants are still killing each other in Ireland. I just don't get it. Over what? A religion that I feel is a false doctrine in the first place. But that's my opinion. How can something good and true create so much hate and violence? It can't. Therefore, it must not be good or true. JB |
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If protestant fundamentalism persists, the protestant 'blend' of 'christianity' will end-up being a church of ONE !!! If Protestants would stick to what they supposedly claim to believe there wouldn't be any fundamentalism. Only the Holy Spirit is supposed to speak for Jesus. No man speaks for Jesus. When was the last time you saw a fundie who didn't claim to have the only correct interpretation of the words of Jesus? As well as the rest of the Bible. Clearly fundamentalists are a spiritual virus that has infested the religion. As I've said, I've denied them even when I was a protestant Christian, and so did my church. I continue to deny them today. They are in violation of the Holy Spirit. Abra, Seriously?  Jesus commanded Christians to spread the word. The apostles, who were Jesus' close friends, spread the word of God. Peter raised the dead and healed the sick. I don't believe that you have ever studied the Bible. If you studied the Bible for 40 years and came away with that, was it printed in a language you can't read? I'm trying to get this to make sense in my mind. You studied the Bible for 40 years, but somehow missed the entire New Testament? |
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Abra, Seriously? Jesus commanded Christians to spread the word. The apostles, who were Jesus' close friends, spread the word of God. Peter raised the dead and healed the sick. I don't believe that you have ever studied the Bible. If you studied the Bible for 40 years and came away with that, was it printed in a language you can't read? I'm trying to get this to make sense in my mind. You studied the Bible for 40 years, but somehow missed the entire New Testament? Here you go again. Claiming what Jesus commanded Christains to do. That's precisely what protestantism says you're not to do. If you believe that a man should speak for Christ, then become a Catholic and listen to what the Pope has to say. We're talking about what Protestantism has decided to abide by. They have decided that only the Holy Spirit can speak on behalf of Jesus. So unless you're the claiming to be the Holy Spirit you have no credentials to speaking for Jesus in the protestant world. It's as simple as that Spider. And what did you just do??? You tried to tell me what Jesus commanded people to do. That's forbidden in protestantism. All you can tell me in protestantism is to read the bible. That's all you can say. You can't interpret it for me, that would be blaspheme by the protestant demand that only the Holy Spirit can speak for Jesus. So your whole attempt at trying to USE CHRIST to push your agenda in the name of protestantism is a farce. It's invalid. Go preach to someone who doesn't know any better.
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How can something good and true create so much hate and violence? It can't. Therefore, it must not be good or true. JB Now that's my kind of argument. It's based on pure reason. Why is something that supposed to be divine cause so much hate and violence. Clearly it's not divine at all. It's just a bunch of Paper Popes.  I LOVE THAT TERM!!! |
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Abra, Seriously? Jesus commanded Christians to spread the word. The apostles, who were Jesus' close friends, spread the word of God. Peter raised the dead and healed the sick. I don't believe that you have ever studied the Bible. If you studied the Bible for 40 years and came away with that, was it printed in a language you can't read? I'm trying to get this to make sense in my mind. You studied the Bible for 40 years, but somehow missed the entire New Testament? Here you go again. Claiming what Jesus commanded Christains to do. That's precisely what protestantism says you're not to do. If you believe that a man should speak for Christ, then become a Catholic and listen to what the Pope has to say. We're talking about what Protestantism has decided to abide by. They have decided that only the Holy Spirit can speak on behalf of Jesus. So unless you're the claiming to be the Holy Spirit you have no credentials to speaking for Jesus in the protestant world. It's as simple as that Spider. And what did you just do??? You tried to tell me what Jesus commanded people to do. That's forbidden in protestantism. All you can tell me in protestantism is to read the bible. That's all you can say. You can't interpret it for me, that would be blaspheme by the protestant demand that only the Holy Spirit can speak for Jesus. So your whole attempt at trying to USE CHRIST to push your agenda in the name of protestantism is a farce. It's invalid. Go preach to someone who doesn't know any better. Abra, It's obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not going to debate with you, you offer no rationalization for what you are saying, you just insist it's true. The majority of the New Testament is people spreading the gospel and those who received it were encouraged to spread it to others. I suppose you are confused, but it's just as likely that you are intentionally being unreasonable, but either way, I'm not interested in arguing this with you. It's like arguing with a tape recording, no matter what I say, you will just keep repeating the same baseless assertions. |
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any one ONE sentence in the bible could be interpreted in many different ways, and who that speaks as though they speak facts has seen wisdom, or tasted wisdom, and speak from wisdom, as does not wisdom see anything that be professed as fact or truth is immediately lost, as the conscious mind has just been signalled to shut down, and to not allow anything more to be heard, and if no hearing, then no more learning, and what can believe that itself has heard and learned of all the mysteries of god of the truth of the creation of all things, lol.....
if such profession be made, then with such proclamation should also come the wisdom and knowledge of god, so also the number of the hairs on each human head, the number of times a flea batts it eye per second, the number of peoples on the earth, the number of days of life of each human, the day of the ending of all human life, as all these things were said to be known by "god", so it would only be fulfilling all text and fitting that any that "profess" itself as knowing "gods personal viewpoint" from text, these would also have accquired all he knows, as to know another is to know their whole mind.......... |
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any one ONE sentence in the bible could be interpreted in many different ways, That's true of just about any sentence, which is why context is important.
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Abra, It's obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not going to debate with you, you offer no rationalization for what you are saying, you just insist it's true. The majority of the New Testament is people spreading the gospel and those who received it were encouraged to spread it to others. I suppose you are confused, but it's just as likely that you are intentionally being unreasonable, but either way, I'm not interested in arguing this with you. It's like arguing with a tape recording, no matter what I say, you will just keep repeating the same baseless assertions. I don't recognize your authority to speak for God or Jesus or even for Protestantism. You a self-appointed Paper Pope with a personal agenda. (I LOVE THAT TERM KERRY!!!) It so fits!!! Spider, you don't speak for God. Buzz off. You're not even an ordained minister. Don't be so arrogant to claim that you know God's word better than anyone else. That's pure arrogance. It's blaspheme as well. I officialy fold you up into a paper airplane and toss you toward the nearest recycle bin.
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Don't be so arrogant to claim that you know God's word better than anyone else. Can you post anything that isn't a strawman fallacy? |
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any one ONE sentence in the bible could be interpreted in many different ways, That's true of just about any sentence, which is why context is important. the context "PERCEIEVED" can be seen in many different ways, and says nothing more than the statment it responded to........ perceievd context must have a map or key that hold true for all context, and the only key ever spoken was all things must add up as truth if the whole perception or proper context is seen, and the greatest keys to that perception be the ones that spoke of how "god" see, so if an interpretation go against one of these, it is only personal interpretation, used to declare oneself as "gods" mouthpiece, gods personal context reader, gods personal "intent" messeneger, lol...... who that ever came from god said their interpretation was as FACT, lol...... seems it is plain to see a different feeling and motive had then, as the same motive must speak in the same essence, and one can quote until the cows no longer moo and this does not change the fact that any mention of an author for proof to vindicate "gods truth" show no comprehension of material digested, but rather only reading and thoughts of, and then rationalizations spoken thinking these are the only way context can be seen....... if any believes in god, and all text is as inspired from god, then would not this make all text as prophecy? how can this be answered, as if this is truly answered, then each that use personal interpretation of commandments to judge all others would find themself guilty, and none wishes to be found guilty, nor out of a self professed job as gods mouthpiece........ |
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Edited by
Quikstepper
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Sun 08/03/08 06:16 AM
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http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/catholic.htm I found this to be very interesting. A comparison of Protestant and Catholic views. That was an interesting read. As mythologies go I'd say the Catholics definitely have a better organized mythology. At least they have a spokes person: For Catholics: The pope is Jesus' representative on Earth. Protestants are suppose to turn to the Holy Spirit. For Protestants: The Holy Spirit is Jesus' representative. But if that's true then why do we see so many fruitcakes running around proclaiming that only they have the correct interpretation of the word of God? That very act would be anti-protestantism. They would become nothing more than "Paper Popes". I LOVE THAT TERM! But the reason why I love it is because it's so TRUE! Any protestant preacher (whether self-proclaimed or ordained) is nothing more than a Paper Pope. But according to the web site you just gave that's against what protestants believe. They believe that only the Holy Spirit can represent Jesus. Therefore anyone who claims to represent Jesus (by the very act of claiming to have the ulimate correct interpretation of his word) would be comitting blaspheme. (i.e. they would be claiming to be the Holy Spirit) So people like Spider would be totally out. He's constantly claiming to know precisely what the word of God says, and he's always claiming to 'correct' everyone else, believers as well as non-believers. I think he seriously had dreams of being the Pope, but since that's not possible he tries to become the self-appointed non-ordained Paper Pope of Protestantism. Quite frankly, if I was still a Christian I'd be denouncing him even more vehemently than I already do. Clearly, it's the Holy Spirit's job to communicate the word of God to people, not Spider's job. And that's according to the actual religion. (if that web site you gave is deemed credible) I believe it is on this point, but this has always been my understanding too. The Holy Spirit is the only one who can guide a person, and no mortal man has that right, or obligation. In fact, it's completely against the religion because all they would be doing is becoming the Paper Pope of Protestantism. I LOVE that term! It's SO TRUE!!!! Speaking of fruit cakes, I see the secular world has its share as well. Now they are calling the power of God a "virus???" LOL so sad...isn't it? LOL...so right Star... it's like "look who's calling the kettle black" now???? DUH! hehehehe |
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any one ONE sentence in the bible could be interpreted in many different ways, That's true of just about any sentence, which is why context is important. the context "PERCEIEVED" can be seen in many different ways, and says nothing more than the statment it responded to........ perceievd context must have a map or key that hold true for all context, and the only key ever spoken was all things must add up as truth if the whole perception or proper context is seen, and the greatest keys to that perception be the ones that spoke of how "god" see, so if an interpretation go against one of these, it is only personal interpretation, used to declare oneself as "gods" mouthpiece, gods personal context reader, gods personal "intent" messeneger, lol...... who that ever came from god said their interpretation was as FACT, lol...... Perception? No. The bible speaks plainly about God's intentions. It's always people who want to move the markers. God does not move...His word remains. I think trusting God is better than trusting men. Spider & Star are correct. I forget that people here are ambiguous about their own beliefs & want to speak to Christians who actually read God's word & believe it & live it, like we don't know what's in it; when they are the ones who don't read it or believe it for themselves or anyone else for that matter, or they wouldn't be so hostile toward it. No offense taken. Thanks for reminding of that some here come from a place of rebellion against God. 
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Just then a woman who had been subject to bleeding for twelve years came up behind him and touched the edge of his cloak. She said to herself, "If I only touch his cloak, I will be healed." Jesus turned and saw her. "Take heart, daughter," he said, "your faith has healed you." And the woman was healed from that moment. Well, what does Jesus say? "your faith has healed you" It wasn't the cloak, it was her faith that God would heal her. And notice that she wasn't healed when she touched the cloak, she was healed after Jesus said "Take heart, daughter, your faith has healed you". She was healed after her hand moved away from the cloak. This is an excellent example of how people are healed by their own faith. Not by God, not by Jesus, not by a healer. BY THEIR OWN FAITH. jb Actually JB... faith believes in what has not transpired yet. We WAIT for the promise with peace & assurance that God will make good. |
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Abra, It's obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not going to debate with you, you offer no rationalization for what you are saying, you just insist it's true. The majority of the New Testament is people spreading the gospel and those who received it were encouraged to spread it to others. I suppose you are confused, but it's just as likely that you are intentionally being unreasonable, but either way, I'm not interested in arguing this with you. It's like arguing with a tape recording, no matter what I say, you will just keep repeating the same baseless assertions. I don't recognize your authority to speak for God or Jesus or even for Protestantism.  Way to go!
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