31 To the Jews who believed in him Jesus said: If you make my word your home you will indeed be my disciples;
32 you will come to know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
33 They answered, 'We are descended from Abraham and we have never been the slaves of anyone; what do you mean, "You will be set free?" '
34 Jesus replied: In all truth I tell you, everyone who commits sin is a slave.
35 Now a slave has no permanent standing in the household, but a son belongs to it for ever.
36 So if the Son sets you free, you will indeed be free.
37 I know that you are descended from Abraham; but you want to kill me because my word finds no place in you.
38 What I speak of is what I have seen at my Father's side, and you too put into action the lessons you have learnt from your father.
39 They repeated, 'Our father is Abraham.' Jesus said to them: If you are Abraham's children, do as Abraham did.
40 As it is, you want to kill me, a man who has told you the truth as I have learnt it from God; that is not what Abraham did.
41 You are doing your father's work. They replied, 'We were not born illegitimate, the only father we have is God.'
42 Jesus answered: If God were your father, you would love me, since I have my origin in God and have come from him; I did not come of my own accord, but he sent me.
43 Why do you not understand what I say? Because you cannot bear to listen to my words.
44 You are from your father, the devil, and you prefer to do what your father wants. He was a murderer from the start; he was never grounded in the truth; there is no truth in him at all. When he lies he is speaking true to his nature, because he is a liar,

the Jesus depicted in the King James Bible.

You usually appear to be a good Christian, but sometimes you make this same mistake. Not every Christian is going to be walking side by side with you. Some are ahead of you and some are behind. That doesn't mean that they aren't Christians. These guys have crazy beliefs, no doubt. But you seem to be trying to get "street cred" by belittling the beliefs of protestants. You have issues with the beliefs of Fundamentalists...guess what? Your beliefs contradict those of many Christians. Grab your Bible and read Romans 14 and tell me if you should continue to put stumbling blocks in front of other Christians. You can't tear a Christian down, you have to build them up. Write about why Catholicism is right, not about why protestants are wrong.

You forgot the Catholic Bible too. Oh and you forgot...every single accurate translation of John 8. But you did manage to get a stab in at the KJV of the Bible.

In other words, I forgot that the bible is so ambigous that eveyone claims that it's saying something different.

Thanks again spider for saying it like it is...

...and for your diplomatic way of saying it too!

God is very plain about His intentions & purposes...except to those in emnity with Him.

this is very sweet.
this reminds me of abra with JB.
they look so sweet when they agree with each other in their views.
lovely and sweet, that i just wanna cry.

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Where’s Debbie and Rapunzel? We’ve got another match.

In other words, I forgot that the bible is so ambigous that eveyone claims that it's saying something different.

No, not really Spider. I didn't forget that at all.

I was just having fun with at least ONE of the myriad of ambigious interpretations of the supposedly infallible word of God.

You know my stance on it. It's all demagogurey anyway.

Who knows what some rabbi who lived 2000 years ago might have actually said? Who knows if he even actually lived at all? The whole story could be a concoction for all we know.

So how can anyone claim what Jesus said when there are so many different ambigious books that claim to contain his word?

Clearly the bible is so ambigious that it isn't even worth reading unless you enjoy fiction.

now spidey and abra are going to start playing, so I can rest a little bit.

let's get back to seriousness.
this is the Jesus I know, this is the Lord I kneel:

Back in my Lord's days who were the righteous people: the pharisees and scribes (translated in modern days the so called "christians" who used christianity to call sinners to other, and they don't see their own sins - me included), and who were the sinners: the publicans, the samaritans, the prostitutes, etc. (translated into modern days those we call pagans, atheists, etc.)

who did my Lord hang out with? the publicans, samaritans, and prostitutes (the sinners).

who did my Lord criticized so harshly? the scribes and pharisees (the righteous)

And whenever He was with the sinners he never judge them telling them they are going to hell or whatever things these "christians" do, He just told them your sins are forgiven, go in peace.

Therefore, the fundamentalist view in which others are not childrens of God just because they are not christians does not fit my view of my Lord.
And if christianity were just that, and not what it really is. I would be the first non-christian.
But since I was a little boy I have been taught the real christianity. I will remain christian.

Thanks again spider for saying it like it is...

...and for your diplomatic way of saying it too!

Do you think that those publicans, samaritans and prostitutes were proud of their sins? Do you think that they rejected God?

You are denying the words of Jesus recorded in John 8 OF YOUR BIBLE and substituting your own words and assertions? Miquel, do you think that is wise? Godly?

i hate quoting.

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Where’s Debbie and Rapunzel? We’ve got another match.

I'm not the one to say if they felt good or bad. That is between God and them. My only mission is to love them as my brothers and sisters regardless.
That is godly wise.

And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee. And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.