Topic: REBEL FLAG
thumper95's photo
Tue 07/29/08 04:08 PM
if people had half the guts that the south did when they seceded from the union this country would be so strong no onw would ever dream of messing with us, or our people or anything that has anything to do with us. i fully belive in walk softly and carry a big stick, and damn a government that wont let you do soemthing that might cause you to have a better life,, god forbid,, a poor man that breaks his back finds a way to make his and his familys life better. perish the thought.

Fanta46's photo
Tue 07/29/08 04:30 PM
Many Yankees might learn from this man,


Saturday, March 15, 2008
Black Man Proud Of Confederate Flag
Many heads turned in Ringgold Wednesday when they saw an African-American man dressed in a Confederate soldier's uniform, carrying a Confederate flag.


It wasn't a joke. H.K. Edgerton came to Ringgold to make a bold statement - he opposes city leader's removing the Confederate flag from the city's flag pole.


Edgerton says the Confederate flag is misunderstood, feared and hated because people are trying to be politically correct - which he says desecrates the honor and real meaning of the Civil War era emblem.


"I'm here because your town council climbed into bed with all the politically correct folks who are practicing social, cultural genocide here in the south land of America," Edgerton said.


Edgerton is marching against that cultural genocide as he calls it, and is getting a warm welcome from people in Ringgold who support his fight for the Confederate flag.


Jim Caldwell meet Edgerton carrying the flag and said "it's history, part of history and it don't need to be swept under the rug."


Edgerton is from Asheville, North Carolina, where he's also the immediate past president of the N.A.A.C.P. there. His visit to Ringgold marks the five-year anniversary of the same march he made from Asheville to Austin Texas - 20 miles a day, six days a week.


He says he has no respect for modern day civil rights activists who as he puts it, trash the Confederate flag.


"Just pointing to those scally-wags like Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton, who climbed into bed with these folks to increase their coffers to continue tainting and disturbing history," Edgerton said.


Two years ago many people packed Ringgold's city hall to protest the move by city leaders to get rid of the Confederate flag. It flies no more on the town poles.


Edgerton says many people don't understand that black men, alongside whites, fought for the Confederacy and the principals it was founded on.


"So here I am, trying to bring an understanding that there was folks who look like me who earned a place of honor and dignity here under this flag. And this flag is just as much for folks who look like me as any white man in the south land of America," Edgerton said.

Fanta46's photo
Tue 07/29/08 04:34 PM
And he's not alone,


I thought I’d only see Caucasians attending a controversial Confederate flag raising ceremony, early on Saturday morning in Tampa, Florida. That’s what I get for thinking.

But there they were- a smattering of African Americans, mixing it up with Caucasian bikers wearing Confederate flag jean jackets and caps. But what really caught my eye was seeing some of those same African American folks also sporting the controversial symbol on their bodies too.

Right smack dab at the politically powerful junction of Interstate 4 and I-75… hoisted 139 feet up in the in the air, was what most Americans call the flag of the Confederacy, but what is more correctly referred to by historians as “a soldiers flag.”

And that flag is huge, 50 feet by 30 feet, about the same size as the U.S. flag, flown over over mega-sized car lots across the country. Car dealers fly the stars and stripes partly out of patriotism, and partly for publicity. And the sons of Confederate veterans, Florida division, is no different.

Throughout the morning, motorcycles rumbled in and out of the parking lot, making it hard to hear, and these folks wanted to be heard. Marion Lambert told me he wants people to notice the flag, wants people to ask, “Why is that huge flag being flown here in Tampa.”

Lamberts answer was simple enough: “I want people to talk to us, let us tell ‘em we’re not for slavery, we’re not for racism, we don’t hate minorities. We just want to show pride and reverence to our ancestors. We don’t agree with the slavery part, it was wrong, but we can’t ignore this flag. It represents our southern heritage, the good that we want to remember, and the bad part we should never forget.”

So there it was, white and black folks, some sitting on cinder blocks, smoking pipes. One elderly African American man wearing a suit and a Confederate tie, back-slapping and joking with a younger Caucasian man wearing so many Confederate symbols, he looked like the poster child for the event. The local NAACP has called these Confederate flag-supporting blacks “out of touch,” saying they don’t represent black America.

I asked the older black man in the Confederate tie, what he thought about the NAACP’s comment, he said “I’m about as black as it gets, I’m the grandson of slaves, I’m a U.S. war veteran, and I’m just as proud of this (Confederate) flag, because it represents my heritage too. And the NAACP doesn’t represent all of black America either.”

Sure wasn’t what I expected to hear.

http://onthescene.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/06/16/controversial-confederate-flag-raising-ceremony/

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Tue 07/29/08 04:39 PM
The Confederate Flag is that. A flag. It was not born from racism. That was Mr Linclon's invention.Unfortunatly, enough white trash have adopted his view.To skew the ideal and dishonor the flag with their bigotry.

Fanta46's photo
Tue 07/29/08 04:39 PM
Just goes to show you how effective propaganda can be!

I see and hear more racism today in the North than I do here in the South!

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Tue 07/29/08 04:45 PM
Come to the west coast.grumble

thumper95's photo
Tue 07/29/08 05:03 PM
the color of a mans skin does not make him a man. its the heart and soul that make him what he is. if he is the type that thinks tha the world owes him something cause of something that happened well over a hundred years ago, well,, he just wants something for free. aint a damn thing in this life free. black, white, asian, hispanic, all of the races have a what is called a bad seed to them. its the ones that will rise above the stereotype and say the only one responsible for what happens to me is me, they are the good people that should always get what they want. but it dont work out that way. the ones that work the hardest are the ones that get screwed the hardest. we have to support the ones that think we owe them something. laziness should be a national crime. just my thoughts though

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Tue 07/29/08 05:08 PM
We all bleed the same color, red.

willing2's photo
Tue 07/29/08 08:28 PM
I proudly display mine as a tattoo on my right forearm.
It, for me is about heritage and having a rebel spirit.
Question the Union, distrust Politicians, don't roll over to losing freedoms.
BTW, not everyone back then could afford to keep slaves. Most folks were just getting by.
There are more slaves being held today than through most of history.
Look at China, India, Pakistan the U.S. All slave holders.
I say the U.S. because of the hiring and exploitation of slave labor using the Illegal Worker over Legal Migrants and Citizens. Illegals cost the employer less, can't afford to b1tch much and are more easily manipulated.

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Tue 07/29/08 10:04 PM
very simply put, yes it is a part of history, however it is also a historical part of these fmailies lives and families. They have the legal right to fly the "southern" flag as it IS historically a part of the United States.

You have the right to place lawn decorations in your yard, even if someone else thinks they look silly and ridiculous. Let him fly his flag, as it is his right to do so.

MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 07/30/08 04:44 AM
glasses The rebel flag does indeed stand for rascism.glasses I dont know how it cant.glasses It was the flag of a nation slave built upon the horrors of human slavery.glasses A vile practice.sick

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Wed 07/30/08 07:08 AM
This could be said of the whole nation pre civil war, & other nations as well. As far back as the revolution there were many differences between the North & South,many compromises to bring them together to form the union. "Freedom" is always the battle cry used as justication for war.

thumper95's photo
Wed 07/30/08 03:27 PM
mirror, while i will agree that slavery is vile, from the rest of your statement its shows and butt good that your very ignorant of the actual reasons for the civil war. seems like it would behoove you to get a history lesson

jewels126's photo
Wed 07/30/08 04:03 PM
i do beg to differ on that because i dont see any snooty people sporting it... it is all country people i am living out in the country as do all my redneck friends... it is more of a country redneck thing

I BEG TO DIFFER WITH YOU HERE MY DEAR I LIVE IN THE CITY IN A MIXED NEIGHBORHOOD AND I FLY MY FLAG RIGHT UP THERE WITH MY AMERICAN FLAG...it has nothing to do with hate or being a redneck it has everything to do with heratiage and what our four fathers greatgrandparents and other family members fought for and lost there life for....
it makes me sick that people think it is a hate thing it is against black people it is against slavery hello people wake up it is 2008 no one give a **** about slavery that was way back when before any of us where born and i am sick of it being thrown in my face all the time the white people did this the white people did that to the blacks ok hello look at what has been done to american indians which i happen to be i am not out there crying about what was done to us and i am not out there begging the us to apoligize to me for what was done to my people.... i say if you have that confederate flag fly it high and proud.

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Wed 07/30/08 04:10 PM

i do beg to differ on that because i dont see any snooty people sporting it... it is all country people i am living out in the country as do all my redneck friends... it is more of a country redneck thing

I BEG TO DIFFER WITH YOU HERE MY DEAR I LIVE IN THE CITY IN A MIXED NEIGHBORHOOD AND I FLY MY FLAG RIGHT UP THERE WITH MY AMERICAN FLAG...it has nothing to do with hate or being a redneck it has everything to do with heratiage and what our four fathers greatgrandparents and other family members fought for and lost there life for....
it makes me sick that people think it is a hate thing it is against black people it is against slavery hello people wake up it is 2008 no one give a **** about slavery that was way back when before any of us where born and i am sick of it being thrown in my face all the time the white people did this the white people did that to the blacks ok hello look at what has been done to american indians which i happen to be i am not out there crying about what was done to us and i am not out there begging the us to apoligize to me for what was done to my people.... i say if you have that confederate flag fly it high and proud.


In total agreement jewels. I refuse to be burdened by the sins of my fathers. They may have had slaves, they may have driven indians off their land. But that was before i was born. I have no connection to that behavior in the present and will continue like that in the future.

thumper95's photo
Thu 07/31/08 05:25 AM

i do beg to differ on that because i dont see any snooty people sporting it... it is all country people i am living out in the country as do all my redneck friends... it is more of a country redneck thing

I BEG TO DIFFER WITH YOU HERE MY DEAR I LIVE IN THE CITY IN A MIXED NEIGHBORHOOD AND I FLY MY FLAG RIGHT UP THERE WITH MY AMERICAN FLAG...it has nothing to do with hate or being a redneck it has everything to do with heratiage and what our four fathers greatgrandparents and other family members fought for and lost there life for....
it makes me sick that people think it is a hate thing it is against black people it is against slavery hello people wake up it is 2008 no one give a **** about slavery that was way back when before any of us where born and i am sick of it being thrown in my face all the time the white people did this the white people did that to the blacks ok hello look at what has been done to american indians which i happen to be i am not out there crying about what was done to us and i am not out there begging the us to apoligize to me for what was done to my people.... i say if you have that confederate flag fly it high and proud.



AMEN PREACH IT SISTER!!!!!!!!!!!

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 07/31/08 06:48 AM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Thu 07/31/08 07:05 AM

i do beg to differ on that because i dont see any snooty people sporting it... it is all country people i am living out in the country as do all my redneck friends... it is more of a country redneck thing

I BEG TO DIFFER WITH YOU HERE MY DEAR I LIVE IN THE CITY IN A MIXED NEIGHBORHOOD AND I FLY MY FLAG RIGHT UP THERE WITH MY AMERICAN FLAG...it has nothing to do with hate or being a redneck it has everything to do with heratiage and what our four fathers greatgrandparents and other family members fought for and lost there life for....
it makes me sick that people think it is a hate thing it is against black people it is against slavery hello people wake up it is 2008 no one give a **** about slavery that was way back when before any of us where born and i am sick of it being thrown in my face all the time the white people did this the white people did that to the blacks ok hello look at what has been done to american indians which i happen to be i am not out there crying about what was done to us and i am not out there begging the us to apoligize to me for what was done to my people.... i say if you have that confederate flag fly it high and proud.
glasses I have to disagree. Only someone that doesnt know their history doesnt care about the demonic institution that was slavery. It is the dark shame of this nations past.Would you be comfortable with someone flying a swastika? Millions of people where brutalized and murdered in the most viscious fashion and had to watch the same thing happen to their children for hundreds of years. I cant think of anything more evil than slavery and human trafficking. glasses

thumper95's photo
Thu 07/31/08 06:57 AM
then you have just demonstrated that you dont know your history.

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 07/31/08 07:13 AM

then you have just demonstrated that you dont know your history.
laugh NOTlaugh Heres the source citation for my college American history textbook. glasses This is where Im getting my history from:

Kennedy, David M., and Lizabeth Cohen. The American Pageant. 13th edition. Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company, 2006.


glasses Im a history major.glasses

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Thu 07/31/08 07:15 AM


i do beg to differ on that because i dont see any snooty people sporting it... it is all country people i am living out in the country as do all my redneck friends... it is more of a country redneck thing

I BEG TO DIFFER WITH YOU HERE MY DEAR I LIVE IN THE CITY IN A MIXED NEIGHBORHOOD AND I FLY MY FLAG RIGHT UP THERE WITH MY AMERICAN FLAG...it has nothing to do with hate or being a redneck it has everything to do with heratiage and what our four fathers greatgrandparents and other family members fought for and lost there life for....
it makes me sick that people think it is a hate thing it is against black people it is against slavery hello people wake up it is 2008 no one give a **** about slavery that was way back when before any of us where born and i am sick of it being thrown in my face all the time the white people did this the white people did that to the blacks ok hello look at what has been done to american indians which i happen to be i am not out there crying about what was done to us and i am not out there begging the us to apoligize to me for what was done to my people.... i say if you have that confederate flag fly it high and proud.


In total agreement jewels. I refuse to be burdened by the sins of my fathers. They may have had slaves, they may have driven indians off their land. But that was before i was born. I have no connection to that behavior in the present and will continue like that in the future.


So, you fly the flag to be connected to your heritage, yet you don't want to be connected to their behavior?