we say Gesundheit!

but I say prost = cheers when someone sneezes!

i just went to - snopes.com rumor has it - there are several explanations on where it may have come from. if interested.


seem's no one knows for sure - hahaha

I still suggest everyone watch the following if they want to know where i or maybe Jb stand on the subject of christ and god as well as whats happening behind the scenes, of course i will expect the christians to tag the last part to the rapture parousia of futurist thinking and teaching, never the less, it may very well come to pass if we stay and act ignorant of these things.




http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197

well i just looked at your profile, and honestly, i see the same attitude there as here - at least your consistant. good luck with getting responses.

Consistent is good, don't you think? I'm the same guy on the forums as I am in my profile. One of my exs said that one thing which attracted her to me immediately is that I used the word "altruistic" in a conversation. I wasn't trying to talk down to her or make her feel inferior, it's just how I talk. Maybe I should copy/paste a couple emails from work, so that you can see I also communicate the same way at work. The difference is that they know me and know that I'm always calm and patient and that when I use a word, it's because I wanted to and not because I have something to prove.

I'm not really sure when my profile became germane to the discussion, but I have gotten several compliments from people who have read my profile. I'm sure it will turn some people off and I don't think that's a bad thing, it's supposed to turn away anyone who wouldn't fit my criteria. At this point in my life, I'm not willing to settle and why should I waste my time or hers?

Tribo,

My profile, how many responses it gets, what I do with my free time, what I do for a living... none of that has anything to do with this discussion. If you want to learn about me, send me an email, I'll answer almost any question you have. I just don't see how it applies to this conversation.

even if all these crucified individuals were real (which I'm not doubting).
none of them have supported or sustained an institution for over 2,000 years.
so if they are real it would be the same as if pigs were flying all over the place.

Tribo

I just watched the video. Pretty interesting. I have believe almost all of part 2 on for a long time and written about it.

Thier I liked how they showed experts in thier fields and showed how thing are not possible to of happened as the ole tv has told us.

The 1st part though i guess they are saying they are using christians and thier beliefs to futher thier goals.

I would agree with that also.

I would not though agree in thier knowledge of the scriptures.

They are like a jack of all trades knowing just enough to make them dangerous.

No scholars at all.. Some wise crack jokes.

They were doing the same thing with the scriptures that they purpot the govt. is doing to us.

A little bit of a doubled standard.

The scriptures say when the Messiah was born and it was not Dec 25th like all the other religions.

The Calf and moses are way more detailed than the delusional mentality they claim is in the scriptures.

The very thing happening was forcast by Daniel. The Atomic Bomb was forcasted.

many many things are thier but they are not seen most because of the dumbing down of the people as the end of the video spoke of.

Yahshua spoke of nieghbor turning on nieghbor before his return.

The video states that is thier plan.

Did they get this plan from the scriptures?


I wished they would of been scholarly when comparing the religions instead of reading something out of the World Book Encyclopedia.

it would of made me think instead of saying so what. The rest of the video pert 2 on was good though and they did that thier..experts.

Why would they lower themselves to useless jokes about religion to prove thier point? Blessings...Miles

The point is, they were not real. But the stories about them all have similarities to the 17th crucified savior, Jesus Christ.

None of these myths are real. They are just stories that represent something.

Watch the first part of this film:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197

JB

I agree with JB on this miles, it's not a direct comparison of person VS person, it's about where ALL the mythology of religion comes from before and up to and including the Israelite text you have and the old/new testament's combined in the book.
To argue over how expert is was or was not is not the point. It's a excellent look at how religious beliefs were before the bible and it raises the question - of how the ressurection, virgin births, 12 deciples,and all else that the book has in common with judeo/christian beliefs which came much later.

It suddenly becomes quite clear that much was taken from other text and earlier beliefs and codes and laws of moses time and earlier. this is why i am no longer of the christian persuasion. and why JB speaks as she does, that we have in common.

I have mentioned numerous times in the past that there has to be similiarity to some of the stories in the bible that can relate to ancient egyptian hieroglyphics and the ressurrection was big in Egypt at its times. They used of course the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Of course what I say is always ridiculed, but hopefully there will be an author who will actually sit down and compare the two religions and see the similiarity. It would be a lifestime work indeed if done.

Just because they had the virgin births means nothing.. The story of the bible depicts 13 tribes not 12. No james refers to the 12 tribes of Israel. But Yahshua was 13 altogether.. the old test. the adopted sons of Joseph made up 13.. they at that time each were a 1/2 tribe untill Dans prophecy of turning to satan happened. Thats why you do not see Dan in Rev 7 thier are 13 with Ephriam being the large crowd as prophesied.

When Judas hanged himself. Barnabas was chosen and the Yahshua chose Paul as his chosen vessel again 13.

Where you may not understand is the christian training of thought is like the saying It's all greek to me.

Which is very true as thats where alot of thier non biblical customs come from.

The 3 kings were not kings they were Priests of Mithra from the East Persia.

They seen a sign and it took them almost 2 years to find Yahshua. They had to of believed this was the rebirth of Mithra to spend this much time and give what they did to him.

Then refusing Herods orders and quickly heading home under fear of death.

So the Zorastrian Religion of Mithra is a fluke the Magi Priests of Mithra did not know who thier own savior was.

Thier are alot of things that seem the same but that is only because the christian leaders have taken on Satans powers to make it look so.

The evidence way out wieghs them being alike Tribo.

You are listen to men who claim Josephuses writings were faked when he was the historian of his time and if anyone was going to leave out Yahshua he would of for sure. The Jews tried to cover it up.

2000 years of worshipping a carpenters son for no more reason that folklore is pretty rediculus to me.

Every religion mentions him as at least a great prophet. Do they anyone else? Does the scriptures refer to Mithra as a great prophet? No they ar stories and thats why thier are only 5000 left practicing today.

The Arabs now they are strong because they claim the 1st born birth right of Ishmael. Who was sent off unto the desert.

Provisions are in the law on how this is done if it is.

See Ishmael was not the 1st born son of Abrahams youth. His wife Sarah.

I could go on and on.. what you are saying is all these other religions are alike and the christian religion is like them also.

I agree totally.

This is not what the scriptures say though. It all goes back to Tradition. Tradition spawned all the religions you speak of.

But not the Creator Yahweh and Yahshua his son who I believe on. They are not those tradionalists fakes.

Blessings...Miles

What we are saying is that many scriptures are simply plagiarized works taken from ancient myth.

Of course you believe what you believe and of course you believe that you are right. But are you so attached to your current belief that you cannot consider that it may not be what you think it is? What makes you so sure that you are right and that your belief is the true? That is what I wonder.

JB

I understand what your saying Miles, and more power to you my friend, I cannot argue some of your points but i am not a follower of either judaism or Christianity. That said my point still remains that "all" religion is first and foremost based on myths. That none, but what ever the first was, can be anymore than man's imagination as to who and what god might be or might be like. From there all else is mythology and as the different myth's evolved they all became quite similar in content. Now since most mythology can be traced back to it's roots we can also see that there is usually a seed of truth that lies within them such as stories of Hercules or other giant men or cyclops etc. When men started finding giant bones in Greece especially and studied them against the myths they saw how the Greek's could easily mistake those dinosaur bones for being other than that, mans imagination is a wonderful thing for dreaming and thinking of what might be behind those things he discovers, proof is we still do it today.

It also comes from a time of the great plague.

Same as the song "ring-a-ring a-roses, a pocket full of posies"

"ring around the rosie, a pocket full of posies

a ring would form around the red spot of the marks of those dieing of the Black plague. soon afterwards they would die and evidentally those who mourned would stich posies in their pockets - hmmm? strange this would become a children's rhyme?

I'm not doing all 16, how many do I have to refute for you to admit that the author is full of crap? I already explained that Krishna was killed by a hunter's arrow. You can look that up yourself or I can post a link to it. How many more do you need refuted?

Killing the messenger does not change the fact that these myths have been around for centuries in other writings. Just because you don't like the author or just because you found fault with his book does not change the fact of these myths.

And they are all just myths, so I wouldn't sweat the details of how one may or may not have died in one of them.

JB

Let me get this straight...

If none of the myths listed are describing savior gods who died for the sins of the world, you will continue to believe the book is correct?

I'm not sure what you are trying to get at... But listen: Krishna is one of the 16, right? Can we agree on that? The MYTHS say that Krishna died from a hunters arrow while meditating under a tree. There are no myths that claim Krishna died for the sins of the world. But Krishna is still a Christ analog in your mind? Is that what you are saying? Or are you saying that regardless of what the myths are today, they might have been different in the past, so you will believe this guys book even if it is contradicted by the Krishna myths of today?

JB

Plagerized.. Why do you think i agree with you all on christianity.

When i write on these forms as i quite cut and pasting scripture as people did not like that.

But when i write the spirit tells me what to write. I remember things at that moment that i do not even remember reading.

I have told people stuff that afterwards i questioned myself. Why did i say that i don't know that.

Yet when i check it is exactly as i said.

What is this? Why does it happen?

I will say one thing i 1st saw the Heavens on fire and a voice being relayed to me when i was around 4.

My parents came out side as it had been raining and was completely dark outside.

What did they say?

They asked me what i saw that they were blinded and the house seemed lit up everywhere.

UFO.huh

No i knew at that age what it was. At that age i did not want childrens books read to me anymore.

My mom read the bible. Thats all i wanted to hear.

As i got older my friends even started noticing that i should of been hurt and my friends and no one was.

They even wrote in my year book that i was the luckiest person they had ever seen.

I refused to go to church. I hated the cross when i was 8 is the 1st time i remember just hating it.

At a easter service i got so upset i had to leave during the service i was stopped from running up front and telling them they were worshipping death.

None of these things had i thought about it just happened my spirit inside me said NO this is wrong.

I have had friends freak out and everyone not say aword the rest of the night not knowing if it was quenseces or what but they were wishing for stuff as we were walking by a lake in the night. They asked me.

I pionted to the heavens and said i wish for a star to go across the heavens.

I took my hand and started to move it and a shooting star just took off following my hand. then when i let it down the heavens lit up with shooting stars lighting up the night sky.

I can not explain alot of things and thier is proof in medical records of me and other people. Of diseases that just disappeared.

You all make alot of racket about the scriptures and i do not really have a problem with it because Yahweh will do what he wishes with all of us.

In the last few years since i got divorced i have went through trial after trial many times people telling me why do you believe. I know. Its not a belief. Through this my knowledge has exploded.

It is not a fairy tale. Hard to believe yes. It is thier.

We know nothing of the brain. we us 10%.. What is the 90% for?

We are to complex for happenstance. How anyone can believe something that is so complex as a human was not created by something way more intelligent than we can even imagine. Is hard for me to believe.

Why do we even want to think we came from apes?

Is that rational thinking? Yet so many WANT to believe it. We are told not to mess with mixing seeds. genetics.

What do we see all the time on tv now? Yet the scriptures say do not do this. We play Hyde and Jeckle with our food supply and this is science.

We need to learn what the book says.

Do these other religions say what we can eat and not eat? Islam does but it is a cousin of Israel.

Pork we are told is an abomination. Eat it and you will bring on diseases on yourself is what that is saying.

Israel did you know the Jewish women ovarian cancer is a rarity? Why is that?

We are told a little wine is good for your stomach.

When the AMA did thier world study for the country or people with the least heart disease.

It was in a place that science says should have the most heart disease. France. Thier custom is to drink a glass of red wine with thier meals.


How long is it going to take for people to wake up?

If something goes along with the scriptures we dismiss it for a scientist that thinks this is good or right.

How many of these messiah's taught this stuff?

What is brought out is simularities and then scripture must have plagerized.

Maybe down through the ages plagerizing has been brought in to dismiss the scriptures.

Is this possible?


I look outside the box. I want to know what is true and what is not.

Thats the reason you find very few people who believe as i do.

To look outside the box is a win win situation.

either you look harder and change what you believe or you find out you are right and strengthen your faith. either way if you want to know what is true you will win.

Well take Care May Yahweh Be With You,,Shalom..Miles

I never stateed that the book is correct. In fact, I told you I never actually read this man's book.

The myths vary in their stories. They are not all the same. These myths and a lot of other mythology based on astrology have been around for centuries.

I am not going to nit pick the details about them. That is not the point. You wanted a reference I gave you one. I am not claiming it to be perfect and I have never actually read that man's book.

The entire point is that scripture is plagiarized from many of these old myths. I believe it is.

JB