There are plenty of records of Jesus the man, though.

In the Qu'ran, he is all over the book as a prophet of Allah.

He is the second ranked prophet after Mohd

Yea i will Tribo. not sure when tommorrow night will probally be my eariest time to look into it but i will try to come up with some kind of explanation this weekend.. Shalom..Miles

Did I say that I decided who is reputable? No, I didn't. But scholars do. They reject the Panthera story you were just pushing. And just so you know, even atheist historians accept that the gospels and the New Testament as a whole is a valid historical record. While they don't accept the claims of Jesus' healings or miracles, they do believe that the Gospels were written about a real man named "Jesus". I'm not making this up, you can easily see that for yourself. Google "Historicity of Jesus". That's tons of material out there.

Those religions are off shoots of Christianity. When was the Qu'ran written in relation to when the Gospels were written?

Who were they written by? Where did they get their information?

JB

JB......ALL shall find every word in the bible was true, just INTERPRETED completely wrong and thru FEAR which made for a hellish story, lol........

there is no other book that completely describes the events of cililization when heard without fear, lol.....

the things spoken and preached it means are sooooooooooo far from the whole truth it is amazing it cannot be seen........peace

Jesus and Mithra

Christianity is the religion of Babylon

Clearly Constantine, and the Brotherhood which controlled the emperors, saw political advantage in supporting the Christian movement. And the people would have had no problem encompassing Jesus into their belief system because the story matched that of the other Sun gods of the time, including Mithra. Christianity picked up many followers of Mithra because to them it was no different to what they already believed except for the name.

Constantine ended the persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire by issuing his Edict of Milan, but this was not specific to Christianity, though it stopped the persecution against all one-God religions.

Anyway, as one persecution ended another was soon to begin, as the Roman Church persecuted, burned and tortured anyone who refused to believe in the Christian faith, or even their version of the faith.

Tens of millions of people have died in the name of the so-called ‘Prince of Peace’. Appropriately, Constantine murdered his wife and elder son before making the journey in 325 AD to his palace at Nicaea (now Iznik in Turkey) to decide what Christians to this day must believe. He wanted to end the conflict between the Paulines and the Arians and install a single Christian creed. He called 318 bishops (another mystical number) together at Nicaea to tell them what their creed was going to be.

Bitter arguments erupted between the factions on the burning issue for the future of the world: Was Jesus part of a trinity of Father, Son and Holy Ghost?

Holy ****. Documents were torn up and blows were struck. If you are a Christian, this is how your faith was decided. The Arians lost the day and out of this mayhem and Roman dictatorship came the foundation belief of Christianity, the Nicene Creed.

This dog’s breakfast was as follows. I hope you are concentrating, I’ll be asking questions later:

“We believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of all things, both visible and invisible; and in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the son of God, begotten of the Father, only begotten, that is to say, of the same substance of the Father, God of God and Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the father, by whom all things were made, both things in heaven and things on earth; who, for us men and our salvation, came down and made flesh, made man, suffered and rose again on the third day, went up to the heavens, and is to come again to judge the quick and the dead; and in the holy ghost.”

Simple eh? It was decided that Jesus was the same substance as the father because in ancient Babylon it was said that Nimrod and his son, Tammuz, were the same person.

His mother, Queen Semiramis, was titled the Holy Spirit. So the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, are in fact Nimrod-Tammuz and Semiramis.

Christianity is the religion of Babylon and has been from the start.

Today Rome and Italy remain a major Brotherhood centre, as I detail in .. And The Truth Shall Set You Free. The Vatican itself is wholly controlled by the Brotherhood and one of its most important bases.

jb

Tribo.

In my search thier is very little. I did find some more that spoke of Yahshua and Joesph and Mary.

Now when i was young I had red hair. By 20 during the summer some people would mistake my hair as strawberry blonde or some even Blonde depending on how much sun and being in the water I had been.

So i will leave you with this thought. If this description took place at the end of summer and we know bathing was in the open to the sun.

Could his hair of changed color just for that period of time??

joseph is describtion is said to be because of being sunburn't apperently before not then.

Yahshua is discribed as taking on more of his mothers traits.

I do not know. But different people see people differently at different times whether close to them faraway or indoors or out doors.

Your guess is as good as mine. Sorry i could not find more on the subject. blessings of Shalom Tribo...Miles

The first source of evidence comes from The Archko Volume (or the Archaeological Writings of the Sanheidrim & Talmuds of the Judeans). These are the Official Documents made in These Courts in the days of Jesus Christ; translated by Drs. McIntosh and Twyman in 1887 of the Antiquarian Lodge, Genoa, Italy, From Manuscripts in Constantinople and the Records of the Senatorial Docket taken from the Vatican in Rome; Published by Keats Publishing (1975).

Chapter V - Gamaliel - Interview With Joseph And Mary And Others Concerning Jesus; The hagiographa or holy writings, found in the St. Sophia Mosque at Constantinople, made by Gamaliel, in the Talmuds of the Jews, 27 B.C. It seems Gamaliel was sent by the Sanhedrim to interrogate Joseph and Mary in regard to this child Jesus. Gamaliel is recorded as reporting:

I found Joseph and Mary in the land of Mecca. ...Joseph is a wood-workman. He is very tall. His hair looks as though it might have been dark auburn when young. His eyes are grey, Jesus, He is the picture of his mother, only He has not her smooth, round face. His hair is a little more golden than hers, though it is as much from sunburn as anything else. He is tall. His visage is thin and of a swarthy complexion, though this is from exposure. His eyes are large and soft blue, the lashes are long and his eyebrows are large.

The Archo Volume, further records a description of Jesus Christ in Chapter VIII - Valleus‘s Notes. — Acta Pilati, or Pilate 'A Report to Caesar of the Arrest, Trial, and Crucifixion of Jesus'.

Among the various rumors that came to my ears there was one in particular that attracted my attention. A young man, it was said, had appeared in Galilee preaching with a noble function a new law in the name of the God that had sent him. At first I was apprehensive that his design was to stir up the people against the Romans, but my fears were soon dispelled. Jesus of Nazareth spoke rather as a friend of the Romans than of the Judeans. One day in passing by the place of Siloe, where there was a great concourse of people, I observed in the midst of the group a young man who was leaning against a tree, calmly addressing the multitude. I was told it was Jesus. This I could have easily suspected, so great was the difference between him and those listening to him. His golden-colored hair and beard gave to his appearance a celestial aspect. He appeared to be about thirty years of age. Never had I seen a sweeter or more serene countenance.

One final historically recorded description of Christ which shall be mentioned is to be found in a letter written to the monarch of Rome by Publius Lentrelus who was a resident of Judea in the days of Tiberius Caesar. This letter first appeared in the writings of Saint Anselm of Canterbury in the eleventh century A.D.

There lives at this time in Judea a man of singular virtue whose name is Jesus Christ... his followers love and adore him as the offspring of the Immortal God. He calls back the dead from the graves and heals all sorts of diseases with a word, or a touch. He is a tall man, well-shaped, and of an amiable and reverend aspect; his hair of a color that can barely be matched, falling into graceful curls, waving about and very agreeable.... His forehead high, large and imposing, his cheeks without spot or wrinkle, beautiful with a lovely red; his nose and mouth formed with exquisite symmetry; his beard and of a color suitable to his hair...his eyes bright and blue, clear and serene. Look innocent, dignified, manly, and mature; his arms and hands delectable to behold. (Taken from page 75, Appendix B of The Resurrection Tomb, by E. Raymond Capt.)

JB

You are very correct in what you posted. Zorastrism was the religion of most Roman Soldiers with Mithra being thier savior. This was all merged to make everybody happy and make it easy for constantine to control. For now since he had a centralized religion that the pagans and soldiers could live with. Anyone teaching any other such thing were easily turned in for execution for treason i think that is what thye called it. But we can see in futher writings where several church fathers had to run for thier lives because of people turning them in.

This happened during Hitlers Rule.

This is happening in the United states or starting to get us used to it as being spies as they were in both those dinesties.. Shalom...Miles

thnx Miles very interesting - i find it strange that he had both grey and blue eyes from 2 diff observers. Really it fits my picture of other worldly or inter dimensional beings both as to looks described and differences in height as compared to the average Jew, as well as the demeanor and attitude and knowledge he shared - your help in this matter is much appreciated, by chance if you run across anything else out of the ordinary - please let me know - you seem a good source for a wealth of info on this. I wish we both could have met at the library of Alexandria and discussed this over a cup of tea - hahaha

shalom my friend.

Now I could handle That Tribo

I'm sure that there were many crucified, it was the death de jour in many cultures. But how many got back up ??

You know you speak about the library of Alexandria.

I can remember quite well when i 1st went into studying the scriptures in depth.

I would sit at our kitchen table which seated 8. I was fairly good size. I had picked up books here and thier as reference material.

But thinking back to how our forfathers had to study was some what as i did. The table as i had the bible in front of me would have 15 or 20 books spread out to different pages as i would try to make sence of it all.

Our forefathers had to have a great faith to search and study as they did.

Now I can have it all on my computer and with a easy search find about anything i want.

Who would of ever of thought the average joe could do what carrer scholars did.

1 Book in particular i need tpo find again as i got it through the library loan program from Layola University to which i have checked and it is nowhere to be found anywhere when it comes to the library loan system.

Is a Book just called The Walldesians.

A movement in the 100 and 1200 hundreds who were slaughtered for preaching what the church called Heresy.

The leader apperently had a scribe of such who wrote down his sermons.

What i liked about this book is on one page it translated it to English on the oppisite page you could see the actual sermons/writings of this man.

This was the 1st place i found the name Yahshua.
As names do not transcribe but are transliterated.

On the english side you would see JC on the french side you could tell it was Yahshua.

I plan on going over to the s of France someday where thier is a musseum to these people.

After thier slaughter and the ones who did run came in compliance with the Pope to save thier heads.

800,000 are reported to have died.

Luther almost 400 years later is called the man who was the reformists from Catholic dogma.

When History proves that these people probally in estimation the 1st to go against the Pope as they sent Letters to Him Demanding he Repent of his Wickedness.

I doubt most people that this religion went on to be even realize what they believed back then

They are the Methodists Church of Today..Blessings..Miles

ive read of the waldens instudying the popes histories in the catholic encyclopedias your correct. Most catholics are not even aware of the popes own histories and how wicked and vile many were. aything than what they proclaimed to be by far.

good luck with your search, and if you run into any antideluvian books befoe the flood let me know ok-

No matter... some never want to be confused with the facts.

Now thats going to be hard to do Tribo. It probally got water logged and the pages are all stuck together. Any ideas on how to get those old pages unstuck?

yes im a conservator i have the means to do so - just get me them first - hahahaha

pure truth lie not within words.

According to an unconcerned creative force, truth is just information, nothing more or less.

JB

well really its not concerned with truth at all- that is not its purpose, just bringing forth creative matter.