JB,

I didn't call you delusional, I believe you misread my post. My point is that one of the 16 is Krishna. Krishna wasn't crucified. I don't have the book, but from the review I read, almost every point made in the book can be easily refuted. Those that are truth (some Christians celebrate Jesus birthday on Dec 25 and Dec 25 is the birthday of the Roman sun gods), the author ignores the most important details. For instance, while some Christians celebrate December 25 as Jesus' birthday, that tradition is hundreds of years younger than Christianity. The author tries to blur the line before the foundation of Christianity and the development of Christianity.

I tuned into a local t.v. station Sunday and it was airing a local church service. They were singing a song. (The worst singing I had ever heard) and the song was, "Nothing but the blood of Jesus."

I found the song to be offensive to my sensitivities.

The words of the song caused me to envision a scene where people were covered with the blood of Jesus .... They were smiling and reveling in this bloody scene, rubbing blood all over themselves as behind them, their savior hung on a cross bleeding for them.

If I were to walk into a room with this sort of thing happening, I would be traumatized for life. Wouldn't you?

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What can wash away my sin?

Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

What can make me whole again?

Nothing but the blood of Jesus.


Oh, precious is the flow,

That makes me white as snow;

No other fount I know,

Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

For my pardon this I see,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
For my cleansing this my plea,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Nothing can for sin atone,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
Naught of good that I have done,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

This is all my hope and peace,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
This is all my righteousness,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

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To me, this is the song of a multitude of people who are demanding the sacrifice of Jesus so that they can be cleansed of their sins.

And this looks like a blood cult in my eyes. It just does, I'm sorry if that offends.

JB

I did not misread your post, and I believe you were talking to me because you quoted my previous post.

You began with a hypothetical ...."IF YOU THINK THAT..." (which I don't and was not discussing Krishna) ending with.....then you are delusional."

So no, you were not calling me delusional because clearly we were not discussing Krishna. But I fail to see the relevance of your post, except to pick out something in the book I mentioned that was said to be "untrue" by your website review.

You say Krishna was not crucified. I won't argue that point. Any further discussion on this subject will require more research on my part. In any case, I will leave you to your conclusions and your faith.

JB

to all that are really interested in this i ask you to watch this 2hr movie.

especially you JB ok? thnx


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197


believe me if you watch nothig else this is very convincing to those not steeped in religiosity.

I've seen it and I have been preaching this stuff and reading about this stuff for years.

If you want to know the truth, take a look at this film. The first part takes about religion, and the last part talks about world control.

You can pause the film or make it big to fit you entire screen or move a slider around to different parts of it.

This is a documentary everyone should see, if you can handle the truth. Not everyone can handle the truth.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197

what is truth?

by the way, the concept of the blood covering one's sins actually comes from slaying a "blameless" animal. It's not about pouring blood on yourself but rather the animal taking the place of the offender so that he/she doesn't have to pay the price for their sin; in the case of christianity and judaism, the price of sin is death. Christ also being called the lamb of God, took the sins of all humanity on Himself and was killed so that we would be spared.
If you understand the passover Jewish people celebrate, look at it as the forerunner for what Christ did for us now...

This particular film is about where religion (Christianity) originated from, then it goes into the plan of the elite world bankers plan for the New World order.

JB

That is not always the case. There is a religious ritual I saw practiced in some other third world country where a calf was butchered and a woman below it was bathed in its blood. I'm not sure what the reason for it was but it was yucky.
All I can saw is ewwww!

The idea of the blood of Jesus washing someone's sins away still paints a picture of people with blood all over them in my mind. Its not a pretty picture.

The only reason someone has to pay the price for the sins of man is because of their god's law which states that "the wages of sin it death."

Sin is defined only within religious doctrine and it means basically to defy or disobey your lord and master creator ("god") Sin is disobedience.

People are the slaves or servants of their Lord. If they disobey, the penalty is death. Their Lord God is the one who made this rule in the first place for his slaves. Since all mankind are considered sinners, they are all on death row.

The sacrifice of Jesus gives them pardon according to god's own law for his slaves.

I am not Christian, therefore I do not accept the roll of "sinner" and I declared myself a free soul, I am not a slave to anyone who claims to be a god. I did not sell my soul. I came to the earth by choice and incarnated here by choice. I am my own authority. Religion is a sham.

JB

Just because someone makes a movie doesn't mean that they are right...
There's "proof" on both sides. It's too bad that there are people who use religion for their own agenda; but it's just as bad that there are people who use science for their own agenda...
Lucky for you that you're a free soul and don't have to worry about these things...I on the other hand get to carry a cross around everyday and live a fulfilled life.....

I find it hard to believe that you can live a fulfilled life while carrying around a cross. Sounds like a heavy burden. I am sorry.

But you sound like a small child who does not want to believe that there is no Santa Claus.

I don't ask people to believe anything, I just ask them to think for themselves. They usually are afraid to do that.

I put the link there for people who are interested in truth, not to engage people in religious arguments. Do as thou wilt. You can't handle truth, and what's more, you don't want it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197

JB

That's a fair point, but then should you believe the word of the bible who said that jesus was crucified, buried and then rose up, or of the Qu'ran who said Isa (jesus) was none of those things and he didnt die, he ascended to Allah.


... and one more time, a christian uses the phrase "hates chrisitanity"

Do you think I hate christianity because I am an atheist? What about Abra, or JB? Do they hate christianity?

Why do you assume that there is hatred for your religion coming from atheists?

It seems only you lot use that phrase. Because I certainly dont.

2 John 1:7

For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.

I've seen the movie....so the question still remains: what is truth?
I see part I as separate from parts II and III, because one is about discrediting christianity without much substantial evidence, and the other is about a handful of men trying to take over the world.
Obviously, you neither of you, Belushi and JB, have actually "tried" Christianity and still don't have a clue what it's about. I admit though that it has been used to manipulate people for centuries...very very regrettably. Nothing is further from REAL christianity.
Belushi, WHO wrote that you hate christianity? I sure didn't, and that's not what I believe either. But it is a documented fact that Muhammed, the "founder" of Islam, hated jews and christians. No wonder the Qu'ran tells muslims to kill them and discredits the jewish and christian faiths, saying that they got it wrong. Oh, and the Qu'ran was written 600 years AFTER Jesus walked the earth...hmmmmmm

Thanks for that, Black Jesus! You know, In the movie it talks about 10 men being that group of people that "runs the show" - where now have i read about a beast having 10 heads? Only time will tell if my source is correct.

What is there to try?
You want me to give up all reasoned thinking in favour of a belief system that is contradictory and uses a book that encourages denigration of women, uses slavery and has a god that eradicates populations because of a fit of temper?
I think not.


I didnt say you did. but many so-called christians use the word hate when referring to an atheist's view of christianity.



... and the bible you read is how old? probably 1500 years after he was born. If I remember correctly, didnt you christians have a meeting to see which books to put in to the finished product.

Jesus was a prophet of Allah.
He is the second ranked prophet after Mohammed (pbuh)

Mohammed didnt found Islam. Allah, in a miracle, gave him the ability to write and Gabriel guided his writings of the Qu'ran.

To get your facts straight about the discreditings of the christian faith, you would also need to be equally fair about the christian faith discrediting Islam and even judaism.

Both christianity and islam are from judaism to start with, so it is like the sons discrediting the father.

All three religions are warmongering and spiteful and the people that follow each of the religions follow blindly as much as the others.

Three sides of the same coin

So you're an atheist...
does that mean that you're just being respectful of Islam by writing (pbuh) after Mohammed's name?
What exactly do YOU believe? It seems very evident to me what you believe NOT to be true. What exactly DO you believe?

As far as I'm concerned the whole notion of paying for sins with the blood of an innocent animals is utterly ludicrous in the first place.

Sin is disobedience to God.

All this says is that it's ok to disobey God as long as you're willing to slaughter an innocent animal to play for your disobedience. You can basically purchase the right to disobey God and not have to pay for the consequence of your actions other than by simply slaughtering an innocent animal. That makes your disobedience to God ok.

Theoretically a serial killer could go around raping and murdering women his entire life, as long as he comes home and slaughters an innocent animal to pay for his sins it's not a problem because he has paid for his sins.

That's utterly absurd. Anyone who buys into these ancient superstitions can't even be thinking about what they are believing. It's nothing short of ludicrous.

The whole idea of paying for disobedience via the slaughter of an innocent animals is truly a sick demented idea.

The fact that so many people actually believe these ancient superstitions is truly sad.

And the whole idea of the crucifixion of Jesus to pay for the sins of man is based entirely on this very absurd idea.

It's utterly ludicrous.

It's a seriously sick demented picture of a God. Truly it is.

Belushi,

You, JB and Abra all post things about Christianity that I wouldn't ever post about another's religion. All three of you have openly mocked Christianity on many occasions. I assume that hate would drive you to treat your fellow man with such contempt, hate for their beliefs. Are you saying that the hate is actually personal? I don't think so. So what is it that you believe drives your, Abra's and JB's mocking derision towards Christianity? What is it inside of you that causes you to so carelessly insult the beliefs held by others?