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I was asked to name my sources for this information that there were other crucified Saviors. Originally I read about it in a book called "The Book your Church Doesn't want you to read" but the original source is a book by Kersy Graves called: "The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors, Truth Seeker Co. New York, 1875. The book is still in print. If you want to check his resources you can obtain the book from Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/Worlds-Sixteen-Crucified-Saviors-Christianity/dp/1434680401 The story of the crucification of a savior god had been told for centuries before the time of Jesus. It was a fable. It was even performed as a "passion play" back then. Finally someone wrote it down and so now people say it is truth. Not. No, it hasn't. You should check your sources, because that claim doesn't have any credibility. LIST OF SAVIORS Following is a list of those slain saviour-gods, believed by their followers to have lived and died for the sins of the world, together with their countries of origin and approximate dates (Jesus was seventeenth): Osiris, Egypt 3000BC; Bel,Babylon 1750BC; Atys (Attis), Phrygia 1700BC; Tammuz, Syria 1160BC; Dionysius, Greece 11 ODBC; (Looks like a typing error) Krishna, India 1OOOBC; Hesus, Europe 834BC; Quirimus, Rome 753 BC; Indra,Tibet 725BC; Bah, Asia 725BC; lao, Nepal 622BC; Alcestis, Pherae 600BC; Quetzalcoatl, Mexico 587BC; Wittoba, Travancore 552BC; Prometheus, Greece 547BC; Mithra, Persia 400BC. |
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if you beleive that i have some land to sell you.
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if you beleive that i have some land to sell you. It is just information, like any information. I consider all information. What do you believe and why do you believe it? Fess up now. |
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Dionysus is the god of wine, the inspirer of ritual madness and ecstasy, and a major figure of Greek mythology. He represents the intoxicating power of wine.
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I still can't find the bathroom. Anyone?
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I still can't find the bathroom. Anyone? Did you try "Search"?? I saw one profile named "Clean Bathroom" |
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I still can't find the bathroom. Anyone? Did you try "Search"?? I saw one profile named "Clean Bathroom" Go pee somewhere else. |
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Looks like we need a pee savior now.
We'll have to start a whole new religion we cal call it Pianism. And all the followers will be pianists. |
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http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/graves.html
A secular humanist explains why this books is "useless" and he does quite a good job of going point by point and showing many of the author's many failures. I can find no scholarly review or rebuttal of this work being performed. Because the book is so poorly sourced and written, scholars ignore it. But I think the atheist above did a great job, I hope we can all agree that "The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors" is junk and bury this thread. |
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http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/graves.html A secular humanist explains why this books is "useless" and he does quite a good job of going point by point and showing many of the author's many failures. I can find no scholarly review or rebuttal of this work being performed. Because the book is so poorly sourced and written, scholars ignore it. But I think the atheist above did a great job, I hope we can all agree that "The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors" is junk and bury this thread. Yes, I have been to that website. Thanks for the link Spider. I haven't read his book so I cannot comment on it. I don't think it is junk. Naturally the Christian apologists would attack it. That is par for the course. JB |
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http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/graves.html A secular humanist explains why this books is "useless" and he does quite a good job of going point by point and showing many of the author's many failures. I can find no scholarly review or rebuttal of this work being performed. Because the book is so poorly sourced and written, scholars ignore it. But I think the atheist above did a great job, I hope we can all agree that "The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors" is junk and bury this thread. Yes, I have been to that website. Thanks for the link Spider. I haven't read his book so I cannot comment on it. I don't think it is junk. Naturally the Christian apologists would attack it. That is par for the course. JB Spider ... Why would we want to agree that this is junk because you say so? Dont you think that you are being very presumptive and arrogant. I would like to get everyone to agree that the bible is a collection of fairytales, conjecture and outright fallacy. Can we just bury that instead please? |
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I would like to get everyone to agree that the bible is a collection of fairytales, conjecture and outright fallacy. Can we just bury that instead please? Yeah really. I've already given a myriad of indisputable proofs why that book can't possibly be the word of any divine all-wise creator that fits the criteria that the book itself claims that it must possess. So we can surely bury that one safely. |
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No other Saviour but Jesus , steps into a persons heart and transforms that person into a new creature in Christ..only Jesus.
Simply because... There is no other way but Jesus, and no other way by which man can be Saved. No other way. And when you too are born of God one day, you will finally see. Be Blessed Now. |
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No other Saviour but Jesus , steps into a persons heart and transforms that person into a new creature in Christ..only Jesus. Simply because... There is no other way but Jesus, and no other way by which man can be Saved. No other way. And when you too are born of God one day, you will finally see. Be Blessed Now. |
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http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/graves.html A secular humanist explains why this books is "useless" and he does quite a good job of going point by point and showing many of the author's many failures. I can find no scholarly review or rebuttal of this work being performed. Because the book is so poorly sourced and written, scholars ignore it. But I think the atheist above did a great job, I hope we can all agree that "The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors" is junk and bury this thread. Yes, I have been to that website. Thanks for the link Spider. I haven't read his book so I cannot comment on it. I don't think it is junk. Naturally the Christian apologists would attack it. That is par for the course. JB The only review I could find for the book was by an atheist. Atheist != Christian apologist |
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Edited by
Spidercmb
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Tue 07/22/08 06:39 PM
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http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/graves.html A secular humanist explains why this books is "useless" and he does quite a good job of going point by point and showing many of the author's many failures. I can find no scholarly review or rebuttal of this work being performed. Because the book is so poorly sourced and written, scholars ignore it. But I think the atheist above did a great job, I hope we can all agree that "The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors" is junk and bury this thread. Yes, I have been to that website. Thanks for the link Spider. I haven't read his book so I cannot comment on it. I don't think it is junk. Naturally the Christian apologists would attack it. That is par for the course. JB Spider ... Why would we want to agree that this is junk because you say so? Dont you think that you are being very presumptive and arrogant. I would like to get everyone to agree that the bible is a collection of fairytales, conjecture and outright fallacy. Can we just bury that instead please? No, because the only scholar (an atheist) to review the work said it was junk. Everyone else has avoided it, because it stinks to high heaven. You don't have to be a genius to know that someone who claims that Krishna was crucified, when the storys say that Krishna was killed by a hunters arrow, something doesn't add up. So should we believe the ancient writings that say Krishna was killed by an arrow or the unscholarly ramblings of an atheist who hated Christianity? Hmmmmm... |
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http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/graves.html A secular humanist explains why this books is "useless" and he does quite a good job of going point by point and showing many of the author's many failures. I can find no scholarly review or rebuttal of this work being performed. Because the book is so poorly sourced and written, scholars ignore it. But I think the atheist above did a great job, I hope we can all agree that "The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors" is junk and bury this thread. Yes, I have been to that website. Thanks for the link Spider. I haven't read his book so I cannot comment on it. I don't think it is junk. Naturally the Christian apologists would attack it. That is par for the course. JB Spider ... Why would we want to agree that this is junk because you say so? Dont you think that you are being very presumptive and arrogant. I would like to get everyone to agree that the bible is a collection of fairytales, conjecture and outright fallacy. Can we just bury that instead please? No, because the only scholar (an atheist) to review the work said it was junk. Everyone else has avoided it, because it stinks to high heaven. You don't have to be a genius to know that someone who claims that Krishna was crucified, when the storys say that Krishna was killed by a hunters arrow, something doesn't add up. So should we believe the ancient writings that say Krishna was killed by an arrow or the unscholarly ramblings of an atheist who hated Christianity? Hmmmmm... I'm quite sure there are a lot of different takes on all the myths of old, but just because there is disagreement on some details, does not discount the information as junk. I do not discount the information in the Bible as junk, as I feel that all information has some purpose and at the very least some agenda. You have to admit that some of these savior myths have may striking similarities to the Christian story. All of these stories are equally flawed, but the Christian story is the only one who people claim is the gospel truth. That is why it comes under the most scrutiny. JB |
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http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/graves.html A secular humanist explains why this books is "useless" and he does quite a good job of going point by point and showing many of the author's many failures. I can find no scholarly review or rebuttal of this work being performed. Because the book is so poorly sourced and written, scholars ignore it. But I think the atheist above did a great job, I hope we can all agree that "The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors" is junk and bury this thread. Yes, I have been to that website. Thanks for the link Spider. I haven't read his book so I cannot comment on it. I don't think it is junk. Naturally the Christian apologists would attack it. That is par for the course. JB Spider ... Why would we want to agree that this is junk because you say so? Dont you think that you are being very presumptive and arrogant. I would like to get everyone to agree that the bible is a collection of fairytales, conjecture and outright fallacy. Can we just bury that instead please? No, because the only scholar (an atheist) to review the work said it was junk. Everyone else has avoided it, because it stinks to high heaven. You don't have to be a genius to know that someone who claims that Krishna was crucified, when the storys say that Krishna was killed by a hunters arrow, something doesn't add up. So should we believe the ancient writings that say Krishna was killed by an arrow or the unscholarly ramblings of an atheist who hated Christianity? Hmmmmm... I'm quite sure there are a lot of different takes on all the myths of old, but just because there is disagreement on some details, does not discount the information as junk. I do not discount the information in the Bible as junk, as I feel that all information has some purpose and at the very least some agenda. You have to admit that some of these savior myths have may striking similarities to the Christian story. All of these stories are equally flawed, but the Christian story is the only one who people claim is the gospel truth. That is why it comes under the most scrutiny. JB No matter what your take is on Krishna's death...if you think that they story doesn't say he was killed by a hunters arrow while meditating under a tree, then you are delusional. Yes, delusional. That's what you call it when someone believes something in opposition of the truth. The story says hunters arrow, so crucified Krishna = delusional. Nothing more I can add. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 07/22/08 07:12 PM
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http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/graves.html A secular humanist explains why this books is "useless" and he does quite a good job of going point by point and showing many of the author's many failures. I can find no scholarly review or rebuttal of this work being performed. Because the book is so poorly sourced and written, scholars ignore it. But I think the atheist above did a great job, I hope we can all agree that "The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors" is junk and bury this thread. Yes, I have been to that website. Thanks for the link Spider. I haven't read his book so I cannot comment on it. I don't think it is junk. Naturally the Christian apologists would attack it. That is par for the course. JB Spider ... Why would we want to agree that this is junk because you say so? Dont you think that you are being very presumptive and arrogant. I would like to get everyone to agree that the bible is a collection of fairytales, conjecture and outright fallacy. Can we just bury that instead please? No, because the only scholar (an atheist) to review the work said it was junk. Everyone else has avoided it, because it stinks to high heaven. You don't have to be a genius to know that someone who claims that Krishna was crucified, when the storys say that Krishna was killed by a hunters arrow, something doesn't add up. So should we believe the ancient writings that say Krishna was killed by an arrow or the unscholarly ramblings of an atheist who hated Christianity? Hmmmmm... I'm quite sure there are a lot of different takes on all the myths of old, but just because there is disagreement on some details, does not discount the information as junk. I do not discount the information in the Bible as junk, as I feel that all information has some purpose and at the very least some agenda. You have to admit that some of these savior myths have may striking similarities to the Christian story. All of these stories are equally flawed, but the Christian story is the only one who people claim is the gospel truth. That is why it comes under the most scrutiny. JB No matter what your take is on Krishna's death...if you think that they story doesn't say he was killed by a hunters arrow while meditating under a tree, then you are delusional. Yes, delusional. That's what you call it when someone believes something in opposition of the truth. The story says hunters arrow, so crucified Krishna = delusional. Nothing more I can add. I don't think I even mentioned Krishna at all. Actually Spider, I don't sit around "thinking about Krishna's death" at all. I was not there so I do not know what is true. So why do you jump at the opportunity to call me delusional? I don't call you delusional. Are you trying to stir up trouble? I am not arguing about what happened to Krishna here, or whether or not Jesus was actually crucified on the cross. I am merely pointing to the fact that there is information about other saviors with a lot of similarities to the Jesus story. I just think that is something of interest to people who want the truth. There are other references to these myths but I don't have them. All I have are what has recently been put forth, however accurate or inaccurate they are, I don't know. I am just pointing to the information. You can disregard it if you wish as can anyone. JB |
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Abracadabra
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Tue 07/22/08 07:13 PM
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I am just totally depressed about how many people actually believe that they are so pathetic and unworthy of their creator that they even need to be "saved".
Have they no clue that when they say that it was necessary for Jesus to die for their sins that they are actually stating that they are the very reason it was necessary for him to be butchered on a pole for THEIR SAKE? They are the reason! On some level I'm sure they aren't understanding that. They are the reason that Jesus was nailed to a pole. They probably blame those nasty Romans for unjustly crucifying the man. But that's absurd. The very reason that Jesus would have had to die is because of them. They are claiming that they are so unworthy of God that he had to send his only begotten son to be nailed to a cross for their sake because they are so evil that someone has to pay for their terribly evil nature. It's discussing. It suggests that both God and humanity are extremely inferior beings. God being inferior for having created such a pathetic race of losers. And humans being pathetic for being that race of pathetic losers. If that's the true nature of what's really happening in this life then things are truly pathetic. Seriously pathetic. |
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