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Topic: I feel controversial...
davidben1's photo
Tue 07/22/08 05:19 PM
voileazur........

your spirit is precious as all others my friend, and your wisdom respected and admired greatly, and NO THOUGHTS OF IGNORANCE OF ANOTHER ARE PRESENT........

if there was ANYTHING that could be done to make these things more easily understood, it would be MY GREATEST WISH IN ALL THE WORLD, and what is wrestled with daily and nightly.....

if one knew how these things came, then it would be easily understood, however, this shall be elusive for a time, but only for a time, as each day mankind move closer towards all knowing, and a full comprehension of all the human mind is capable of, and how it operate..........

i am but an ignorant foolish unlearned man that has no knowledge except what is given to me, and how can one write any different than exactely how they hear it from the mind, or it be not the same exact thing, and become tainted with emotion, or agenda........

in a single sentence structure, back and forth, like a ping- pong ball, with a single individual, these things can be built like stones one on another, but unless this opportunity be had, then speaking to many at once allow each thing written to be percieved different by each...........

if there was anything that could be said to any that actually hear the same meanings in their own heart, or what create desire, even in ANY portion, then to re-read once, even twice, and perhaps even a third, will unveil ALL the meaning of any of my posts.........

but how could one ever ask another to use so much of their precious and most valuable time to make up for such ridiculous short comings..........peace


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Tue 07/22/08 07:06 PM
Edited by voileazur on Tue 07/22/08 07:07 PM


And peace to you davidben1.


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Tue 07/22/08 07:42 PM
Edited by voileazur on Tue 07/22/08 07:48 PM


She asked a question....answer for yourself....and as your not a Christian I don't feel you have the right to answer for me tyvm


Feral, where are your good christian manners?

And where do you get telling me to '... answer for myself...' when I apply myself to ...

... answer for myself!!!

And supreme arrogance: who do you think you are for suggesting for one moment that I am not a christian?

I am a christian.

Born and baptised, and confirmed and all of it. And I'm with the big club too!!! None of this back country self-training club.

The fact that I don't practice it, doesn't make me any less of a cultural christian. Part of the heritage I was born under.

Very much a judeo-christian, culturally raised, catholic boy, dear feral.

A for your unfounded and confused orders: '... you have no right...' high horse, I wouldn't think in a million years of answering for you.

Why in hell would I do that?

Please catlady, get a grip, go in peace, and sin no more.

Show some elementary christian decency dear catgirl!

... culturally that is!


fairycatcher31's photo
Wed 07/23/08 06:40 AM
Edited by fairycatcher31 on Wed 07/23/08 06:41 AM


OK I have a question, I was baptised in a christian church and I believe in God and I believe I am a good person, BUT I am a lesbian what does that mean ???


Well since Christians believe that all people are sinners you are no different from them anyway.

Personally, I think what you do as a consenting adult with another consenting adult is nobody's business anyway, but that's just my opinion.

Question: Did the baptist Church know you were a lesbian when you were baptized or was it a "don't ask don't tell" event?

Question #2: Why were you baptized? On doing so, did you vow to change your lesbian lifestyle to conform with "god's law" and if not why not, and why would to join the Baptist Church?

JB




To answer your questions, no the Baptist church did NOT know I was a lesbian, I was I guess you could say in a conformed heterosexual relationship for 13 years to make the rest of the world happy...and after 13 years of for lack of a better word torture..I moved on and found what I knew made me happy. So I was Baptised at the time of that relationship thinking only that if I did that the anger and saddness I felt towards my husband would go away. I was wrong!
I love my girlfriend on a much deeper level than ANY heterosexual relationship(no lust is NOT the main reason)I was ever in.
I do thank those of you that didnt come down like dam nation on me. I know in my heart that God loves me and I AM a good person, I don't drink I don't do drugs. I raise my child in a good loving home. And I love my family and girlfriend with a true unconditional love.
And Feral aka Deb, I consider you family, so know that I love you dearly and appreciate the love and kindness you have ALWAYS shown us!

fairycatcher31's photo
Wed 07/23/08 06:48 AM
Words to live by:


ONE. Give people more than they expect and do it cheerfully.

TWO. Marry a man/woman you love to talk to. As you get older, their conversational skills will be as important as any other.

THREE. Don't believe all you hear, spend all you have or sleep all you want.

FOUR. When you say, 'I love you,' mean it.

FIVE. When you say, 'I'm sorry,' look the person in the eye.

SIX. Be engaged at least six months before you get married.

SEVEN. Believe in love at first sight.

EIGHT. Never laugh at anyone's dreams. People who don't have dreams don't have much.

NINE. Love deeply and passionately. You might get hurt but it's the only way to live life completely.

TEN.. In disagreements, fight fairly. No name calling.

ELEVEN. Don't judge people by their relatives.

TWELVE. Talk slowly but think quickly.

THIRTEEN! .. When someone asks you a question you don't want to answer, smile and ask, 'Why do you want to know?'

FOURTEEN. Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk.

FIFTEEN. Say 'bless you' when you hear someone sneeze.

SIXTEEN. When you lose, don't lose the lesson.

SEVENTEEN. Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; and Responsibility for all your
actions.

EIGHTEEN. Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship.

NINETEEN. When you realize you've made a mistake, take immediate steps to correct it.

TWENTY. Smile when picking up the phone. The caller will hear it in your voice

TWENTY- ONE.. Spend some time alone.

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Wed 07/23/08 06:55 AM

My Lord said:

"it is more difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven than it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle,"


but yet the streets of Heaven are paved with Gold


what if my Lord where walking this earth in these days with things the way they are nowadays, would you think He would say something like:


ahhh my "Divine Plan" is working Heavenly


"it is more difficult for a judgmental and bigot "christian" to enter the kingdom of Heaven than it is for an atheist with a sincere and honest heart."


but yet the atheist with a sincere and honest heart will burn in Hell and the judgemental and bigoted Christian won't

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Wed 07/23/08 08:39 AM

Words to live by:


ONE. Give people more than they expect and do it cheerfully.

TWO. Marry a man/woman you love to talk to. As you get older, their conversational skills will be as important as any other.

THREE. Don't believe all you hear, spend all you have or sleep all you want.

FOUR. When you say, 'I love you,' mean it.

FIVE. When you say, 'I'm sorry,' look the person in the eye.

SIX. Be engaged at least six months before you get married.

SEVEN. Believe in love at first sight.

EIGHT. Never laugh at anyone's dreams. People who don't have dreams don't have much.

NINE. Love deeply and passionately. You might get hurt but it's the only way to live life completely.

TEN.. In disagreements, fight fairly. No name calling.

ELEVEN. Don't judge people by their relatives.

TWELVE. Talk slowly but think quickly.

THIRTEEN! .. When someone asks you a question you don't want to answer, smile and ask, 'Why do you want to know?'

FOURTEEN. Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk.

FIFTEEN. Say 'bless you' when you hear someone sneeze.

SIXTEEN. When you lose, don't lose the lesson.

SEVENTEEN. Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; and Responsibility for all your
actions.

EIGHTEEN. Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship.

NINETEEN. When you realize you've made a mistake, take immediate steps to correct it.

TWENTY. Smile when picking up the phone. The caller will hear it in your voice

TWENTY- ONE.. Spend some time alone.


Nice rules to live by!

But do Christian live by rule 17? Do they actually take responsibility for all their actions or do they just "remember?" If you take responsibility, then you can't blame Satan for anything and you can't let anyone else die for your sins in my opinion.

JB

tribo's photo
Wed 07/23/08 09:06 AM
Edited by tribo on Wed 07/23/08 09:07 AM


Words to live by:


ONE. Give people more than they expect and do it cheerfully.

TWO. Marry a man/woman you love to talk to. As you get older, their conversational skills will be as important as any other.

THREE. Don't believe all you hear, spend all you have or sleep all you want.

FOUR. When you say, 'I love you,' mean it.

FIVE. When you say, 'I'm sorry,' look the person in the eye.

SIX. Be engaged at least six months before you get married.

SEVEN. Believe in love at first sight.

EIGHT. Never laugh at anyone's dreams. People who don't have dreams don't have much.

NINE. Love deeply and passionately. You might get hurt but it's the only way to live life completely.

TEN.. In disagreements, fight fairly. No name calling.

ELEVEN. Don't judge people by their relatives.

TWELVE. Talk slowly but think quickly.

THIRTEEN! .. When someone asks you a question you don't want to answer, smile and ask, 'Why do you want to know?'

FOURTEEN. Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk.

FIFTEEN. Say 'bless you' when you hear someone sneeze.

SIXTEEN. When you lose, don't lose the lesson.

SEVENTEEN. Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; and Responsibility for all your
actions.

EIGHTEEN. Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship.

NINETEEN. When you realize you've made a mistake, take immediate steps to correct it.

TWENTY. Smile when picking up the phone. The caller will hear it in your voice

TWENTY- ONE.. Spend some time alone.


Nice rules to live by!

But do Christian live by rule 17? Do they actually take responsibility for all their actions or do they just "remember?" If you take responsibility, then you can't blame Satan for anything and you can't let anyone else die for your sins in my opinion.

JB


she left out 22) know yourself before doing any of the above.flowerforyou

feralcatlady's photo
Wed 07/23/08 09:12 AM



OK I have a question, I was baptised in a christian church and I believe in God and I believe I am a good person, BUT I am a lesbian what does that mean ???


Well since Christians believe that all people are sinners you are no different from them anyway.

Personally, I think what you do as a consenting adult with another consenting adult is nobody's business anyway, but that's just my opinion.

Question: Did the baptist Church know you were a lesbian when you were baptized or was it a "don't ask don't tell" event?

Question #2: Why were you baptized? On doing so, did you vow to change your lesbian lifestyle to conform with "god's law" and if not why not, and why would to join the Baptist Church?

JB




To answer your questions, no the Baptist church did NOT know I was a lesbian, I was I guess you could say in a conformed heterosexual relationship for 13 years to make the rest of the world happy...and after 13 years of for lack of a better word torture..I moved on and found what I knew made me happy. So I was Baptised at the time of that relationship thinking only that if I did that the anger and saddness I felt towards my husband would go away. I was wrong!
I love my girlfriend on a much deeper level than ANY heterosexual relationship(no lust is NOT the main reason)I was ever in.
I do thank those of you that didnt come down like dam nation on me. I know in my heart that God loves me and I AM a good person, I don't drink I don't do drugs. I raise my child in a good loving home. And I love my family and girlfriend with a true unconditional love.
And Feral aka Deb, I consider you family, so know that I love you dearly and appreciate the love and kindness you have ALWAYS shown us!






Awww susie I love you and sharon madly and always will.....

feralcatlady's photo
Wed 07/23/08 09:14 AM


Words to live by:


ONE. Give people more than they expect and do it cheerfully.

TWO. Marry a man/woman you love to talk to. As you get older, their conversational skills will be as important as any other.

THREE. Don't believe all you hear, spend all you have or sleep all you want.

FOUR. When you say, 'I love you,' mean it.

FIVE. When you say, 'I'm sorry,' look the person in the eye.

SIX. Be engaged at least six months before you get married.

SEVEN. Believe in love at first sight.

EIGHT. Never laugh at anyone's dreams. People who don't have dreams don't have much.

NINE. Love deeply and passionately. You might get hurt but it's the only way to live life completely.

TEN.. In disagreements, fight fairly. No name calling.

ELEVEN. Don't judge people by their relatives.

TWELVE. Talk slowly but think quickly.

THIRTEEN! .. When someone asks you a question you don't want to answer, smile and ask, 'Why do you want to know?'

FOURTEEN. Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk.

FIFTEEN. Say 'bless you' when you hear someone sneeze.

SIXTEEN. When you lose, don't lose the lesson.

SEVENTEEN. Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; and Responsibility for all your
actions.

EIGHTEEN. Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship.

NINETEEN. When you realize you've made a mistake, take immediate steps to correct it.

TWENTY. Smile when picking up the phone. The caller will hear it in your voice

TWENTY- ONE.. Spend some time alone.


Nice rules to live by!

But do Christian live by rule 17? Do they actually take responsibility for all their actions or do they just "remember?" If you take responsibility, then you can't blame Satan for anything and you can't let anyone else die for your sins in my opinion.

JB



Yes actually I do.....and not just as a Christian but as a human being. I am no ones judge.....and all that truly know me know my positions on things....and once again lump us all into one category but then again you don't really kknow me..

tribo's photo
Wed 07/23/08 09:18 AM



Words to live by:


ONE. Give people more than they expect and do it cheerfully.

TWO. Marry a man/woman you love to talk to. As you get older, their conversational skills will be as important as any other.

THREE. Don't believe all you hear, spend all you have or sleep all you want.

FOUR. When you say, 'I love you,' mean it.

FIVE. When you say, 'I'm sorry,' look the person in the eye.

SIX. Be engaged at least six months before you get married.

SEVEN. Believe in love at first sight.

EIGHT. Never laugh at anyone's dreams. People who don't have dreams don't have much.

NINE. Love deeply and passionately. You might get hurt but it's the only way to live life completely.

TEN.. In disagreements, fight fairly. No name calling.

ELEVEN. Don't judge people by their relatives.

TWELVE. Talk slowly but think quickly.

THIRTEEN! .. When someone asks you a question you don't want to answer, smile and ask, 'Why do you want to know?'

FOURTEEN. Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk.

FIFTEEN. Say 'bless you' when you hear someone sneeze.

SIXTEEN. When you lose, don't lose the lesson.

SEVENTEEN. Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; and Responsibility for all your
actions.

EIGHTEEN. Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship.

NINETEEN. When you realize you've made a mistake, take immediate steps to correct it.

TWENTY. Smile when picking up the phone. The caller will hear it in your voice

TWENTY- ONE.. Spend some time alone.


Nice rules to live by!

But do Christian live by rule 17? Do they actually take responsibility for all their actions or do they just "remember?" If you take responsibility, then you can't blame Satan for anything and you can't let anyone else die for your sins in my opinion.

JB



Yes actually I do.....and not just as a Christian but as a human being. I am no ones judge.....and all that truly know me know my positions on things....and once again lump us all into one category but then again you don't really kknow me..


hi beb, hw are you today, great i hope.

davidben1's photo
Wed 07/23/08 10:08 AM
words and rules of vanity of self only lead to misery when one see they seek to control the mind, and try to make it into something it is not, and make for pretenses and fakery, which never allow the TRUE heart to be spoken, whether it be for good or bad, it this is where all the truth that one have come from, and the only guide to the path of peace, as anything else lead to lies and what is MOST WISHED to be believed......

what one that has peace has need of a rule, as this only destroy confidence in oneself, and show these such things come from ones that FIRST believe themself to be defective, and have need of rules to comfort themself, and provide false proof of self goodness, and laws that are used by the mind to judge all others as worthy or not.......

nothing has peace and unity of self that follow a guide from memory, as even the memory cannot be mastered by oneself, so what does it profit..........

it only profit to lead one astray into many ideas that keep the truth from emitting form the heart..........peace

davidben1's photo
Wed 07/23/08 10:31 AM
funches.......NOTHING with a sincere heart EVER taste hell.........hell was to be as seperated from love, and this be all, and each human make this for themself, by believeing only half of what the mind whispers, and discarding the other half, if it say anything bad about oneself......

if the mind whisper something bad to one, then one seek prove from looking into their own actions to see if such be true, and in doing so, of course proof desired can be found, as all humans do many actions both good and bad that can support any belief most wished............

and so the deception of the hearer continues until one has created for themself a living hell, that no other can come into this place, nor understand, as the ones that could and do understand, are the ones that are kept away by many words of distain formerly spoken from the mouth of the one in an emotional hell and even physcial hell......

each day nothing happens makes one believe the more and harden their heart to refuse with all purpose to admit that any words of distain from others can be true.......

true self seeking goodness turned to true blindness, and one has created ALL of this their very own self, a self creation that finally serves for a wake up call to stop blaming others for ones own unhappy doings, and since blame is never again found within, wisdom can be born, which lead to all bliss......

a terrible way to have to learn, but indeed it was spoken by all that do such within their own heart and text, that free will has been given, to react to each as one sees fit, and of course reaction has the power to create all that is seen in front of each eye........

none the less, this serve to purpose after this day of recognition of oneself, a true willingness to heed the words of all others, and true humility is born, and not just the kind one contrive to be a good person, and to not feel guilt, but one that seeks goodness for all, and not just MOST for ones self.........

a terrible story indeed, and the only thing needed to prevent is to admit what the mind whisper as true about oneself, and NOT to run to fix it or change it, as this be what religion from all times has said, but indeed is now seen what has purposed this very story all the more..........peace

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