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1) What Abra and JB posted was unnecessarily insulting. There is no question about that.
2) I'm not complaining, I just find it unnecessary and I think we can have a more civil conversation than for each of us to take pot shots at one another's beliefs. HOW ABOUT THIS NOVEL IDEA...TALK ABOUT WHAT IS GOOD ABOUT YOUR BELIEFS INSTEAD OF INSULTING THE BELIEFS OF OTHERS? 3) It's oppose, not appose. I will not stand in a room with oafs who stumble about drunkenly insulting everyone else in the room and be called "sensitive" for pointing it out. Even on the internet, you should treat those you debate with with at least a modicum of respect. You don't have to agree with me, but you don't have to insult and mock my beliefs either. |
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Spider asks the big question: Why would the apostles have proclaimed Jesus' divinity all the way to their graves if all they had to do was recant in order to live? The apostles were first hand witnesses, who were absolutely convinced of Jesus' resurrection and divinity. Answer: Because they believed a lie. JB what is a lie for you does not mean is a lie for everybody else. To believe a lie does not make it truth. Or does it? So you do not believe in an ultimate truth? Are you saying that each person has their own truth and there is not really an ultimate truth? Is that what you are saying? Are you then saying that everything is subjective and everything revolves around the individual point of view? JB i'm saying you are becomming as judgmental, as every fundamentalist christian. just the otehr way around. |
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Spider asks the big question: Why would the apostles have proclaimed Jesus' divinity all the way to their graves if all they had to do was recant in order to live? The apostles were first hand witnesses, who were absolutely convinced of Jesus' resurrection and divinity. Answer: Because they believed a lie. JB How? Explain this to me please. Jesus was carried away to be executed. Witnesses surely described the execution, so the Apostles knew that Jesus had been crucified. Although none of the apostles were present to witness the crucifixion (other than perhaps John), several of Jesus' female followers were. Then their dear friend and teacher shows back up. How did they believe a lie? Was it Jesus' long lost twin? An alien clone perhaps? (I think you will probably find that one perfectly logical) How did this "lie" live among Jesus' friends for 40 days without making them question his authenticity? Just as you believe a lie and you were not even there and did not witness anything. They believed. (As for the theory of Jesus's twin, there have been stories that Jesus did have a twin. Who knows, one may have been an alien clone... or maybe he really did have a twin. I don't know.) You say witnesses describe the "execution" but you are talking about a story here. It could be pure fiction, the so-called witnesses could be pure fiction. You chose to believe it as truth. But it could be pure fiction. Do you know what fiction is? It is a made up story. The story of the crucification of a savior god had been told for centuries before the time of Jesus. It was a fable. It was even performed as a "passion play" back then. Finally someone wrote it down and so now people say it is truth. Not. JB so if he believes in a lie why do you care. worry about your holographic world. who made you the ultimate judge to say that people believe in a lie. didn't we agree the other day that none of us hold the whole truth. so who gives you the right to say that other people believe in a lie, just because you don't believe it. using your very own argument, were you there in one of your several holographic lives to be a witness and assure in the way you do Jesus; resurrection was a lie? who do you think you are to define when something is a lie or not? In answer to your questions, as you can see, Spider had asked me a question. He asked me this: "How? Explain this to me please." I can only explain it to him according to what my opinion and belief is. The fact that he ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN is what GIVES ME THE RIGHT to explain according to what my opinion is. Everything I say is just my humble and meaningless and irrelevant OPINION. That is what this forum is about. I am sorry if my opinion upsets anyone. Love! 
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Spider asks the big question: Why would the apostles have proclaimed Jesus' divinity all the way to their graves if all they had to do was recant in order to live? The apostles were first hand witnesses, who were absolutely convinced of Jesus' resurrection and divinity. Answer: Because they believed a lie. JB what is a lie for you does not mean is a lie for everybody else. To believe a lie does not make it truth. Or does it? So you do not believe in an ultimate truth? Are you saying that each person has their own truth and there is not really an ultimate truth? Is that what you are saying? Are you then saying that everything is subjective and everything revolves around the individual point of view? JB i'm saying you are becomming as judgmental, as every fundamentalist christian. just the otehr way around. You have a strange idea of what it means to be "judgmental" I think. (Am I being judgmental saying that? I don't know.) I do not judge him for his beliefs. I think he is a fine upstanding and decent person, and very smart. I don't judge people. I simply have opinions and my greatest fault is obviously being honest about them. I think there are many lies in this world and many people who believe them, including me, because as we agree, nobody knows the full truth. JB |
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cool beans.
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now what was the question again??
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Spider asks the big question: Why would the apostles have proclaimed Jesus' divinity all the way to their graves if all they had to do was recant in order to live? The apostles were first hand witnesses, who were absolutely convinced of Jesus' resurrection and divinity. Answer: Because they believed a lie. JB what is a lie for you does not mean is a lie for everybody else. To believe a lie does not make it truth. Or does it? So you do not believe in an ultimate truth? Are you saying that each person has their own truth and there is not really an ultimate truth? Is that what you are saying? Are you then saying that everything is subjective and everything revolves around the individual point of view? JB i'm saying you are becomming as judgmental, as every fundamentalist christian. just the otehr way around. TLW: i'm saying you are becomming as judgmental, as every fundamentalist christian. just the otehr way around. TRIBO: That statement my friend is also a "judgemental" statement, whether you meant it to be or not. there is no winning of discussions on here for anyone. I for one still believe if we were to have a big JSH/M2 party and all were invited and attended and religion was not allowed to be discussed, we would all get along fine and dandy. This just happens to be a passionate subject to dwell and think and talk on. It will always be this way as long as we participate here in this forum. get used to it or do not join in. don't you agree TLW and all others? |
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I can see everyone at the dinner table talking religion now.
I would go pass the potatoes please.
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I can see everyone at the dinner table talking religion now. I would go pass the potatoes please. I would say the blessing  
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Spider asks the big question: Why would the apostles have proclaimed Jesus' divinity all the way to their graves if all they had to do was recant in order to live? The apostles were first hand witnesses, who were absolutely convinced of Jesus' resurrection and divinity. Answer: Because they believed a lie. JB what is a lie for you does not mean is a lie for everybody else. To believe a lie does not make it truth. Or does it? So you do not believe in an ultimate truth? Are you saying that each person has their own truth and there is not really an ultimate truth? Is that what you are saying? Are you then saying that everything is subjective and everything revolves around the individual point of view? JB i'm saying you are becomming as judgmental, as every fundamentalist christian. just the otehr way around. TLW: i'm saying you are becomming as judgmental, as every fundamentalist christian. just the otehr way around. TRIBO: That statement my friend is also a "judgemental" statement, whether you meant it to be or not. there is no winning of discussions on here for anyone. I for one still believe if we were to have a big JSH/M2 party and all were invited and attended and religion was not allowed to be discussed, we would all get along fine and dandy. This just happens to be a passionate subject to dwell and think and talk on. It will always be this way as long as we participate here in this forum. get used to it or do not join in. don't you agree TLW and all others? that is the very reason why you don't see me around for several days. |
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I can see everyone at the dinner table talking religion now. I would go pass the potatoes please. I would say the blessing bless away my friend but not to long I like the potatoes hot!
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I can see everyone at the dinner table talking religion now. I would go pass the potatoes please. I would say the blessing bless away my friend but not to long I like the potatoes hot! i would be saying the word God like a thousand times, so the atheist get pissed. I would pay to see their faces.
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 07/22/08 01:06 PM
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The High Priestess of the Universal Life Church of Brutal Truth and Honesty demands equal time in saying the blessing.
After all, I am a legally ordained minister. JB |
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The High Priestess of the Universal Life Church of Brutal Truth and Honesty demands equal time in saying the blessing. After all, I am a legally ordained minister. JB fair enough |
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The High Priestess of the Universal Life Church of Brutal Truth and Honesty demands equal time in saying the blessing. After all, I am a legally ordained minister. JB HMM?? - you don't say the blessing goddess, you receive it, after all you are god - 
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I can see everyone at the dinner table talking religion now. I would go pass the potatoes please. I would say the blessing bless away my friend but not to long I like the potatoes hot! i would be saying the word God like a thousand times, so the atheist get pissed. I would pay to see their faces. Well I could get out the mayonnaise, some mustard, chopped onions, chopped dill pickle and make a potato salad if the potatoes get cold while you bless a thousand times!!
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The High Priestess of the Universal Life Church of Brutal Truth and Honesty demands equal time in saying the blessing. After all, I am a legally ordained minister. JB HMM?? - you don't say the blessing goddess, you receive it, after all you are god - We are all god, but if you thank me for the meal, don't expect me to cook it. JB |
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50's...60s? Not sure what that has to do with anything. They could talk, so they could have told other members of the church. "Hey Peter, who is that guy with you?" "Oh, that's my interpreter." Seems like a fairly legitimate question to me, so why would it be unusual for someone to have asked it and then passed it along? "Hey, who is this Mark I keep reading about?" "That was Peter's interpreter, I met them both when they were in town" Not hard to imagine and it makes perfect sense. I'm not sure that it's true, but it is very reasonable. Strange that you would mention 325 AD. Councils of men decided about that time frame what would or would not be included in the bible for the good of the church. A money making, political power. No, they didn't. Put down the conspiracy books and actually read what happened at Nicea. It was called to address a heresy, not decide which books would compose the Bible. So... in 60AD Mark and or Peter would have been in their 50's or 60's you say... Wow you must think I am real stupid. That would mean either or both of them would have been 1 y/o wile traveling with his holiness christ. What conspiracy books. Before Nicea there were over 400 gospels in the 'new testament' portion of the bible. Some of the ones thrown out by that council were gospels (gospel means witness) of actual people with sandals on the ground at the time and place that his holiness christ was present. They were not thrown out becuase they were not true... they were thrown out because the men that had usurped the powers of the church did not wish them to poison their newly forming empire. I have read what happened. I have read 'conspiracy theories', Christian perspective documents, Muslim perspective documents, copies of old Roman government documents... put them all together and truth finds a balance between them. |
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HOW ABOUT THIS NOVEL IDEA...TALK ABOUT WHAT IS GOOD ABOUT YOUR BELIEFS INSTEAD OF INSULTING THE BELIEFS OF OTHERS? Spider you're being utterly silly. I just did talk about what is good about my beliefs. I believe that humanity will finally rid itself of unnecessary judgmental bigoted mythologies that degrade both humanity and God. I suggested that they will finally do what Jesus actually taught and start loving each other non-judgmentally and they will bury the negative parts of those ancient mythologies. That's all GOOD STUFF. But you're rather make sure that people continue to be bigoted and judgmental toward each other? I personally don't see any good in that. Sorry. Also, you talk about insulting the beliefs of others, but that's the very CORE of the biblical mythology. It's INSISTS that it is the ONLY WORD OF GOD and that everyone who doesn't believe it is a lost sheep and purposefully choosing to reject God and become an evil sinner against God. The very religion is an insulting religion. You've choosing to believe in a religion that automatically insults all others. But you can't seem to see that. Then you blame everyone eles for doing precisely what your religion demands that you do. It's oxymoronic Spider.  |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 07/22/08 02:11 PM
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HOW ABOUT THIS NOVEL IDEA...TALK ABOUT WHAT IS GOOD ABOUT YOUR BELIEFS INSTEAD OF INSULTING THE BELIEFS OF OTHERS? I do talk about what is good about my beliefs and I get called blasphemous by others. My beliefs are good because I believe that everyone is an infinite soul, and everyone is free, soul is free and always will be. My beliefs are good because I realize that I am connected to the Prime Source of all creation and that I create my own reality with the power of my thoughts. That is good because I don't blame other people or Satan for my mistakes. That is good because I am my own authority. I make my own rules and I make my own choices. That is extremely good because I am free. I create my reality and what ever I ask for is given unto me by prime source. My beliefs are good because I do not feel unworthy of some one's idea of "god" and I don't feel guilty that I have "sinned." I take full responsibility for all of my choices and thoughts. I am free. My beliefs are the best beliefs of all others and I believe they are right for me. JB |
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