I don't believe "sin" exists except as an arbitrarily-defined man-made concept with no realistic basis. If I had to guess, I would speculate that it probably originated from a simple misunderstanding of cause-and-effect.

Are Gay people the enemies of Christians?

Well, it seems as though anyone who varies in their belief system is the enemy of the Christians. I don't feel that is right, but it seems from the forums posted as of late, if you do not agree with the doctrine in the bible, yes, you are their enemy.

Hi Kat, I caught your little play on words. silly!

You know, this topic comes up at least every sex weeks or so. I think we should just try to keep it bumped to the top. That way we don't all have to keep saying the same da mn thing over and over.

By the way Hi buffry and everyone else who is new and posting here.

Hey, anyone ever look up to see if there are statistics for Christian churches that welcome GLBT specifically - you know not just the "well you can come but you can't keep sinning" type thing?

According to all religions :YES .

Not in my religion >_>

That is not true at all Sam, There are several religions that don't give a damn what your sexual orientation is.

In 1970 when asked, only 10% of homosexuals said they believed they were born gay!

In the 80's that number went up to 35%.
Today almost all say they were!

How do you explain that, and the lack of scientific proof for it?

Then to contradict themselves they Allie their cause with bi-sexuals!
How can you be born both! Make up your mind already!
It is a choice. It was in 1970 just as it is today!

And yes, the bible is very clear about it being a sin! That doesn't mean that we are free to judge them anymore than it is for us to judge any sinners! They will have to answer to God for their sins just as we all will!

Fanta writes:



Once again the contraditions of the bible are made apparent. Or is it simply that some choose only to believe in accordance with their own prejudice?

Notice the only time Fanta ever makes an appearence in the religious threads is when the subject of homosexuality comes up. Sounds like a mighty agenda on his burner.

It's ok Fanta, someday, if you live long enough, you will ease into feeling as comfortable with homosexuals as you do NOW with African Americans, and who knows MAYBE you'll even begin to feel that way about Mexicans.

After all look at the improvement you've made already, you actually admit that it is not your place to judge. Keep making those kind of strides, it'll work out for ya.

Yes along with a billion other sins.

Hi you...great big ole hug to ya dear.

Yup, it comes around just about that much, every six weeks or so.

I will let you know I have those things you posted in my archive already. They are very good...huh?

There is a church here in Oklahoma called "the church of the open arms", it is a very bust church. Mostly gays attend it. I have gone..it is a very outreaching and caring church.

Butterfly kisses Di.

Love ya
Kat
ps, Oh yeah, I thought you would catch that play on words. lol

Is this a trick question?

"Being" anything is not a sin. A sin is an action.

So if murder isn't a "sin", what is it?

Well, if you want to say that the bible is the word of God, then God said it.

Since a sin would basically be doing something God doesn't want you to then homosexual acts would be a sin. Being attracted wouldn't be a sin but acting on it would be.

the bible was written by men -- men with their own prejudices based on the times in which they lived as well as their personal opinions and beliefs. leaders of the early christian church then decided what to keep and what to leave out. therefore the viewpoints expressed in the bible have as much to do with personal interpretation as what divinely inspired.

"the souls of men are not our enemies, but the spirit which deceives the soul , is.
Those that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength."

That is something the Holy Spirit said through me one night. I knew nothing about the inner doings and workings within that congregation. Sometimes, that is best.

The church rocked for hours after that.

Tears and laughter and refreshment came upon all that night.

These folks were visited by myself and others that were sharing the work of the Jewish-Christian Fellowship in Carmel.

This congregation was mainly hispanic and very Christian, and their heritage towards feeling love for the Jewish people was evident in their history.]
and they felt a deep conviction that the Jewish people are not rejected by Jesus but very much in His heart and to this day they hold that the Lord is clear about that to them.

The pastor's name is Ephraim Valverde.

Based on that you cannot believe the Bible is the word of God. Many religions do. If you can't believe that the Bible is the word of God then where are you going to derive what is and isn't sin.

I am a sinner ... I am gay all over the place ...

gay
Pronunciation adjective, -er, -est, noun, adverb
–adjective

1. having or showing a merry, lively mood: gay spirits; gay music.

2. bright or showy: gay colors; gay ornaments.

3. given to or abounding in social or other pleasures: a gay social season.



—Related forms
gayness, noun

—Synonyms 1. gleeful, jovial, glad, joyous, happy, cheerful, sprightly, blithe, airy, light-hearted; vivacious, frolicsome, sportive, hilarious. Gay, jolly, joyful, merry describe a happy or light-hearted mood. Gay suggests a lightness of heart or liveliness of mood that is openly manifested: when hearts were young and gay. Jolly indicates a good-humored, natural, expansive gaiety of mood or disposition: a jolly crowd at a party. Joyful suggests gladness, happiness, rejoicing: joyful over the good news. Merry is often interchangeable with gay: a merry disposition; a merry party; it suggests, even more than the latter, convivial animated enjoyment. 2. brilliant.




ohhhhh you meant a different 'gay' ....

The only sin I see is that we are still having to ask that question in 2008 ...

When will human be enough?

In response to that, murderers are human but they still committed a sin.

Are you seriously comparing someone being attracted to the same sex to a murderer?