I was 12 years old and my final 'forced' church duty was to be confirmed. In a class session one evening the pastor came in all flustered and requested a few moments of silent prayer.

Later he divulged to us something he thought would be a good lession. He had a bad day, was running late ...you know how it goes... and when the last straw hit, just before turning into the church, he THOUGHT "Darn it". And that suddenly made him realize he needed to as for forgiveness.

We all sat there for a moment. I was always the first speak out, as I thought the whole idea of religion was rediculous. I giggled and said, "that's it. You got frustrated and thought darn it and that's a sin?"

He said, well, I actually thought the other D word but I won't repeat it here. Ok so we were 12, what was the other D word? Then hit me, so I said it - "you thought to yourself "dam n it"? Why is that a sin?

The lesson that night was then changed to why our thoughts are sins that need to be forgiven.

Coveting in your mind is a sin, desire of another outside your spouse is a sin, thinking anything bad about another is a sin.

NOW, for all of those Christians who do not beleive THOUGHT is a sin and only ACTION amounts to a sin, you either have to admit there is conflict in the Bible that you take your message from or there is conflict in the interpretation.

Since clergy and other hirarchy of the church are considered the most knowledgable, it becomes their interpretations that are followed most often.

Progressing with this idea, we must face the reality that there are many differnt Christian sects based on these conflictual messages.

Further, any time biblical re-writes are undertaken, it is done with ONE of these view in mind.

Finally, we get to the point that the bible has been copied, re-written and re-worded so often by so many with such varying ideas, that at this point no one can even agre on what is sin and what is not.

Therefore, being gay and sin are only related by those whose propensity for prejudice is held in high regard, while other sins of a personal nature can be forgiven and repeated over and over.

Where is the logic in your religions? It's extremely easy to see the prejudice, to see the blame, to see the lies, but when it comes to seeing truth why are so many, who believe, incapable of seeing, much less admitting, that their truth is not the same as other truths.

Now if a Christian can overlook the differences in truths among other Christians, and still consider them all to be truths, then I have to inform you that there are a great many Christian churches who do not believe being homosexual, LIVING homosexual, is a sin. Yet these Christians are not accepted.

Well at the very least I would think the Catholics would accept them, after all, if there is any Christian organisation that is NOT considered truth based, it is the Catholics. NOW there you go, talk about LUMPING US ALL TOGETHER!.

Jesus taught that thoughts could be sins. I'm not sure why a Christian would believe otherwise, because those scriptures are very clear.

AGREED, The real question should be " is it a sin to be human?" the answer is YES!!!!!!

No, I already said its not the attraction that is the sin its acting on it. You could use a different sin. You could say liars are still human but they still committed a sin. The point about being human is moot.

Yes certain thoughts could be sins, but to my knowledge the bible never says anything about homosexual thoughts, only actions.

So if a man lusts for a woman, it's a sin. If a man lusts for a man, it's not a sin? If you are suggesting that homosexual desires are not a sin, then I think you are on very shakey ground theologically speaking.

In the bible it says a man should not lay with a man as he lays with a woman...

Lust and attraction are 2 different things. Lust is an action. You are choosing to dwell on a thought and fantasize.
Yet, it is the act of lust that is the sin and not who they are lusting after. Be it man or woman its a sin.

people can lay on rocks of wat i know! if a man likes to lay on a man thats fine with me n so on with women! people can do watever they want cause in the end no1 really cares!

Amen. The truth of the matter is that the bible and religions stack the deck against humans from get.

There is no win, thoughts are a sin, actions are a sin, etc... The forgiveness comes from dedication to the church, which, by the way is lucrative for the church.

As for the subject of homosexuality, I believe it is a natural thing that happens, some of us are attracted to the opposite sex, some are attracted to both and some are attracted to the same sex. Nothing wrong with it as long as the people involved are consenting adults.

LMAO, This is too funny!
The reason you never see me here is because all you post is Christian hate threads! You are so concerned with how your choice isnt accepted in the bible that you are possessed with contradicting the bible to fit the lifestyle you chose!
No one made you gay except you. It's a choice and you above all know that!
Your everyday and every thought seems to be concerned with spewing propaganda because your choice isnt accepted by the majority of Americans, esp. Christains! You cant change the word of God so you attack it and anyone who has faith! What really kills you is it isnt accepted by the majority of non-Christains either. How could it be, its not natural!
Don't worry Redi, one day you will come to grips with your choice and repent from your self imposed weakness! If not in this life when you stand before the maker!

You cant even answer a couple simple questions without resorting to personal attacks!
Its kinda sad to watch really. That's why you dont like debating. Because you have no answer for facts! You just like to spew the GBLT propaganda and only want to talk with the few who fall for it!

The OP of this thread wasn't even you, and he asked an opinion.
Anyone who answers in a way that disagrees with your choice in life is attacked!
If you dont like the answers I'm sure the GBLT has plenty of welcoming and agreeable sites. They have thousands of propaganda site. Even ones that contradict each other!!

The only reason you post in the religion forum is because you have an ulterior motive. You seek conflict. You and 3 or 4 others who post the same crap day in, day out, in hopes that you can turn the faith of true believers!
Knowing that wont work shows the lot of you just seek confrontation!
Get a life!!!

"Well at the very least I would think the Catholics would accept them, after all, if there is any Christian organisation that is NOT considered truth based, it is the Catholics."

Could you please explain this statement. I don't see why Catholics would except them as not sinning. I mean the bible says its a sin. You can be a catholic and be gay. You would just be sinning. Just like if you stole or lied or something else.

It is not the Catholic Church that is known for changing its beliefs, but every other Christian Church. Every other Christian church can trace its History to the Catholic Church. They broke off at some point or another because they didn't like a certain thing and they changed it.