i beleive in chivalry.........for the first few months,then switch to jerkola!

and why prey tell do you think we had to have that attitude?

The issue lies in that men and women don't expect enough from the oposite sex, they allow their "mates" to fall well below what their standards are. This goes for both sexes.

I expect certin things out of the men that I date, if they do not stack up, I do not date them. It's really as simple as that. In the "prozac, zoloft" society we live in, we are taught that we have to make certain ammenities for people who are "below" standard. WHY???

So then this makes me a b*tch, well that's fine, it keeps the jerk offs away... and that's all I ever wanted in the first place.

Is chilvalry dead? Sometimes it is, with people who are "below standard" it is....

I think feminism was the best thing that could have ever happened to men.. they got the cake and all the trimmings without the hassels....women didnt kill chivalry...we just stopped holding men accountable and you all took full advantage of the situation..

I hold myself to a higher standard. It's my "job" to care for my partner. If she decides that she's an "independent woman", how am I supposed to do that?

It's not dead I currently have a knight in shining armor showing me it's not...

I hope not

No, not dead but mortally wounded,
Kept breathing by the remaining dented Knights and Ladies of exhausted hope living behind protective parapets built against the pretenders.

Yeah we womenfolk had a hand in that...........but I still believe that we can gain it back one womanfolk at a time..........

You can still be chilvalris (sp?) with an independant woman... I like my doors opened for me, I like flowers, I like him to guide me to our seats at a restaraunt... It doesn't mean I can't do it myself.

It is such a double standard, men who are really at a higher standard DON'T complain about it... They live it, and don't worry about it... It's the same as the "nice" guy syndrom, if you were really all that "nice" you wouldn't b*tch and complain about it.

If a woman doen't appreciate being treated like a lady, then she really isn't one to begin with. Move on and find one who will appreciate it. If you find one who appreciates it, don't drop the "act" once you have her...

Bingo.

by you I mean you in general, not you specifically...

whoops

If men did not abandon women they wouldn't have to do it all themselves. What was I supposed to do when my husband decided that being a husband and father was too much work? Just curl up and die, or throw myself on the mercy of the first man who would have me? NO, I was forced to do it myself.

And then some "chivalrous" dude comes along and I am supposed to pretend that I didn't?

The wound is not mortal ...

It has forced chivalry to redefine itself. It is no longer generally expected (due to the break-down in polite society IMO) but a characteristic of the genteel.

I agree with Lily ... If a gentleman is a gentleman, he will always BE chivalrous. If a lady is a lady, she will appreciate and reciprocate it.

I think if a man wants to be polite, he will; and if he doesn't, he will blame it on women..they killed chivalry and that is why I have to behave like an ass.

Good grief.

If women would take the nice guy to begin with, instead of being attracted to the "bad boy" that ends up letting them down...

If I were a man I would wonder the same thing. But no, its not dead. Manners, politeness and respect are always good things.

I still find men opening doors for me and when they do, I always say "thank you." They aren't hitting on me, they are just being polite and respectful to me. They don't think I am helpless and I am not out to prove to anyone that I am not.

JB

So you mean being a Nice Guy

So you are blaming me for my ex-husband's bad behavior? He wasn't a "bad boy" when I married him. And how is it that you know ANYTHING about me or my life? Don't make assumptions based on sterotypes.

Again, please see the nice guy syndrom....