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i beleive in chivalry.........for the first few months,then switch to jerkola!
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Edited by
Lily0923
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Mon 06/23/08 11:37 AM
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Do you think that womens lib killed it???  Or the mere fact that we have had to do everything for ourselves with no help and do not expect help from anyone.......man, woman or child??? Is it not society you want blame then? If the attitude "I can do it all myself" wasn't out there, it wouldn't have died. and why prey tell do you think we had to have that attitude?  The issue lies in that men and women don't expect enough from the oposite sex, they allow their "mates" to fall well below what their standards are. This goes for both sexes. I expect certin things out of the men that I date, if they do not stack up, I do not date them. It's really as simple as that. In the "prozac, zoloft" society we live in, we are taught that we have to make certain ammenities for people who are "below" standard. WHY??? So then this makes me a b*tch, well that's fine, it keeps the jerk offs away... and that's all I ever wanted in the first place. Is chilvalry dead? Sometimes it is, with people who are "below standard" it is.... |
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Edited by
symbelmyne
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Mon 06/23/08 12:02 PM
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I think feminism was the best thing that could have ever happened to men.. they got the cake and all the trimmings without the hassels....women didnt kill chivalry...we just stopped holding men accountable and you all took full advantage of the situation..
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Do you think that womens lib killed it??? Or the mere fact that we have had to do everything for ourselves with no help and do not expect help from anyone.......man, woman or child??? Is it not society you want blame then? If the attitude "I can do it all myself" wasn't out there, it wouldn't have died. and why prey tell do you think we had to have that attitude? The issue lies in that men and women don't expect enough from the oposite sex, they allow their "mates" to fall well below what their standards are. This goes for both sexes. I expect certin things out of the men that I date, if they do not stack up, I do not date them. It's really as simple as that. In the "prozac, zoloft" society we live in, we are taught that we have to make certain ammenities for people who are "below" standard. WHY??? So then this makes me a b*tch, well that's fine, it keeps the jerk offs away... and that's all I ever wanted in the first place. Is chilvalry dead? Sometimes it is, with people who are "below standard" it is.... I hold myself to a higher standard. It's my "job" to care for my partner. If she decides that she's an "independent woman", how am I supposed to do that? |
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It's not dead
 I currently have a knight in shining armor showing me it's not... 
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I hope not
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No, not dead but mortally wounded,
Kept breathing by the remaining dented Knights and Ladies of exhausted hope living behind protective parapets built against the pretenders. |
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Yeah we womenfolk had a hand in that...........but I still believe that we can gain it back one womanfolk at a time..........
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I hold myself to a higher standard. It's my "job" to care for my partner. If she decides that she's an "independent woman", how am I supposed to do that? You can still be chilvalris (sp?) with an independant woman... I like my doors opened for me, I like flowers, I like him to guide me to our seats at a restaraunt... It doesn't mean I can't do it myself. It is such a double standard, men who are really at a higher standard DON'T complain about it... They live it, and don't worry about it... It's the same as the "nice" guy syndrom, if you were really all that "nice" you wouldn't b*tch and complain about it. If a woman doen't appreciate being treated like a lady, then she really isn't one to begin with. Move on and find one who will appreciate it. If you find one who appreciates it, don't drop the "act" once you have her... |
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I hold myself to a higher standard. It's my "job" to care for my partner. If she decides that she's an "independent woman", how am I supposed to do that? You can still be chilvalris (sp?) with an independant woman... I like my doors opened for me, I like flowers, I like him to guide me to our seats at a restaraunt... It doesn't mean I can't do it myself. It is such a double standard, men who are really at a higher standard DON'T complain about it... They live it, and don't worry about it... It's the same as the "nice" guy syndrom, if you were really all that "nice" you wouldn't b*tch and complain about it. If a woman doen't appreciate being treated like a lady, then she really isn't one to begin with. Move on and find one who will appreciate it. If you find one who appreciates it, don't drop the "act" once you have her... Bingo. |
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I hold myself to a higher standard. It's my "job" to care for my partner. If she decides that she's an "independent woman", how am I supposed to do that? You can still be chilvalris (sp?) with an independant woman... I like my doors opened for me, I like flowers, I like him to guide me to our seats at a restaraunt... It doesn't mean I can't do it myself. It is such a double standard, men who are really at a higher standard DON'T complain about it... They live it, and don't worry about it... It's the same as the "nice" guy syndrom, if you were really all that "nice" you wouldn't b*tch and complain about it. If a woman doen't appreciate being treated like a lady, then she really isn't one to begin with. Move on and find one who will appreciate it. If you find one who appreciates it, don't drop the "act" once you have her... by you I mean you in general, not you specifically...
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Edited by
hikerchick
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Mon 06/23/08 04:01 PM
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whoops
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Do you think that womens lib killed it??? Or the mere fact that we have had to do everything for ourselves with no help and do not expect help from anyone.......man, woman or child??? Is it not society you want blame then? If the attitude "I can do it all myself" wasn't out there, it wouldn't have died. And then some "chivalrous" dude comes along and I am supposed to pretend that I didn't? |
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No, not dead but mortally wounded, Kept breathing by the remaining dented Knights and Ladies of exhausted hope living behind protective parapets built against the pretenders. The wound is not mortal ... It has forced chivalry to redefine itself. It is no longer generally expected (due to the break-down in polite society IMO) but a characteristic of the genteel. I agree with Lily ... If a gentleman is a gentleman, he will always BE chivalrous. If a lady is a lady, she will appreciate and reciprocate it. |
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I think if a man wants to be polite, he will; and if he doesn't, he will blame it on women..they killed chivalry and that is why I have to behave like an ass.
Good grief. |
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Edited by
Sir_Galahad
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Mon 06/23/08 04:02 PM
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Do you think that womens lib killed it??? Or the mere fact that we have had to do everything for ourselves with no help and do not expect help from anyone.......man, woman or child??? Is it not society you want blame then? If the attitude "I can do it all myself" wasn't out there, it wouldn't have died. And then some "chivalrous" dude comes along and I am supposed to pretend that I didn't? If women would take the nice guy to begin with, instead of being attracted to the "bad boy" that ends up letting them down... |
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And if so, did the womenfolk kill it? If I were a man I would wonder the same thing. But no, its not dead. Manners, politeness and respect are always good things. I still find men opening doors for me and when they do, I always say "thank you." They aren't hitting on me, they are just being polite and respectful to me. They don't think I am helpless and I am not out to prove to anyone that I am not. JB |
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Just posted this in another thread, but thought it would be cool to add it here, too: To be chivalrous is to be courteous. This includes: being a gentleman, being polite, gracious, mannerly, brave, noble, bold, courageous, heroic, and having valour. It is the antithesis of being rude. So you mean being a Nice Guy |
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Do you think that womens lib killed it??? Or the mere fact that we have had to do everything for ourselves with no help and do not expect help from anyone.......man, woman or child??? Is it not society you want blame then? If the attitude "I can do it all myself" wasn't out there, it wouldn't have died. And then some "chivalrous" dude comes along and I am supposed to pretend that I didn't? If women would take the nice guy to begin with, instead of being attracted to the "bad boy" that ends up letting them down... |
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Do you think that womens lib killed it??? Or the mere fact that we have had to do everything for ourselves with no help and do not expect help from anyone.......man, woman or child??? Is it not society you want blame then? If the attitude "I can do it all myself" wasn't out there, it wouldn't have died. And then some "chivalrous" dude comes along and I am supposed to pretend that I didn't? If women would take the nice guy to begin with, instead of being attracted to the "bad boy" that ends up letting them down... Again, please see the nice guy syndrom.... |
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