Topic: Cops Tell Man His Door Is Unlocked
Rathil_Thads's photo
Tue 06/24/08 02:17 PM

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:wink: are you running for office any time soon ?....:wink:


drinker flowerforyou drinker i'll vote for you !!! drinker flowerforyou drinker










No, unfortunately too much corruption and drama for me. I am much to laidback for that line of work.

Also for all you people who I know will still argue about how this was illegal and what not. Even if you feel it was a legal issue, (Which it really isn't) the Constitution and the bill of rights has nothing to do with the issue. The only thing they may have been able to be charged with is Trespassing, (Not likely though as they had a reasonable reason for entering)

But don't try to pass this off as a 4th amendment issue because it is not the same thing at all.

Rapunzel's photo
Tue 06/24/08 02:26 PM
Edited by Rapunzel on Tue 06/24/08 02:27 PM
drinker Well, for those same reasons flowerforyou i have not pursued a career in politics drinker


:wink: i was just kidding anyway , but meant that i agree with you..:wink:


drinker I think you are highly intelligent & wise far beyond your years drinker






cutelildevilsmom's photo
Tue 06/24/08 02:53 PM


i dunno if i saw the door ajar,knocked and got no answer then i would investigate also,esp with wee ones downstairs.The dad should be grateful it was the cops and not a nut and luckily no one got shot.
I'm sure the kids didnt want to wake up Dad cause the lil ****ens snuck outside like kids tend to do at sleepovers and they left the door open.


Hi CLDMom. Long time no see. Hope all is well with your children!

Lindyy
:heart:


they are well thank you :)

cutelildevilsmom's photo
Tue 06/24/08 03:09 PM
I still say since NOONE answered the door,the police were right to check.The whole scene put together would make me wonder if something happened.in my hood I would want them to check.you dont leave doors open here or downstairs windows.i guess some people live in Fantasy land or think because they have guns nothing can happen to them or theirs.No rights were violated here because they were trying to help,not harass.The cops do their job for once and still people *****.amazing.

Rapunzel's photo
Tue 06/24/08 03:26 PM
Edited by Rapunzel on Tue 06/24/08 03:29 PM

I still say since NOONE answered the door,the police were right to check.The whole scene put together would make me wonder if something happened.in my hood I would want them to check.you dont leave doors open here or downstairs windows.i guess some people live in Fantasy land or think because they have guns nothing can happen to them or theirs.No rights were violated here because they were trying to help,not harass.The cops do their job for once and still people *****.amazing.



Amen ...


drinker flowerforyou drinker ((((((( <<<<< Jackie >>>>> }}}}}} drinker flowerforyou drinker


flowerforyou drinker flowerforyou yes, i agree wholeheartedly flowerforyou drinker flowerforyou


devil we had crazed lunatics brandishing firearms in broad daylight devil


:cry: knocking little old ladies to the ground for their purses :cry:


sad a few people got shot in the full light of day in the city sad


sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick


there was an incident not long ago a few blocks away

where < a crazy guy on crack > with a slightly powerful weapon....

huh {{{{ it was ONLY a two foot long or more < Machete' > }}}}huh


noway held the entire apartment complex hostage for hours noway


drinker until the Police could come and secure the situation drinker





i don't know what it is gonna take... for those

who have not had those kind of situations

to understand how we feel about police protection








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cutelildevilsmom's photo
Tue 06/24/08 03:30 PM
Vanessa methinks you need to move..indifferent laugh

Rapunzel's photo
Tue 06/24/08 03:31 PM
Edited by Rapunzel on Tue 06/24/08 03:35 PM

Vanessa methinks you need to move..indifferent laugh



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no photo
Tue 06/24/08 03:56 PM
Different areas have different crime rates. What 'makes sense' in one area can be an abuse of power in another area. Also, the culture and standards of conduct for police departments vary with regions. Police are more prone to abuse power in some regions than others. Everybody here who is inclined to be judgmental about other peoples opnions on this issue could ask themselves - what might things be like where they live?

I believe the police officers here had good intentions. I do not fault the individual police officers for trying to do what they thought was right. The question is: should this be an acceptable policy for the police in general? I have personally had a friend whose rights were trampled by police using the the same rationalization - 'we were just checking on his safety', which, in his case, was a lie the police used.

Some people are more willing to sacrifice liberty for safety.

Personally, I would rather live in a world where the police did NOT enter private property without (a) invitation (b) a warrant, or (c) -direct- evidence of a serious crime in progress. Thats my choice, my preference.

Have you seen the signs posted in places of business - "Letter of [something] on file with the police department - the police are authorized to enter this establishment blah blah blah". ?

If you -want- the police to invade your private property to check up on you, great! You can post a sign inviting the police to enter your property. This might (?) make criminals more wary of your place.

Personally, I would post a "No trespassing - police included" sign - both groups of people (those who love liberty, and those who love safety) should be able to choose which privacy/property rights they are willing to give away - and the police should respect that choice.


no photo
Tue 06/24/08 03:59 PM
(Oh, and "Hi Adj! Hi CLDM!")

Lindyy's photo
Tue 06/24/08 06:55 PM

I still say since NOONE answered the door,the police were right to check.The whole scene put together would make me wonder if something happened.in my hood I would want them to check.you dont leave doors open here or downstairs windows.i guess some people live in Fantasy land or think because they have guns nothing can happen to them or theirs.No rights were violated here because they were trying to help,not harass.The cops do their job for once and still people *****.amazing.


This whole thing is totally bizzare. How can anyone scream that liberties are being taken away because the police checked to be sure a home was secure due to very obvious negligent conditions. i.e., 3 a.m. in the morning, door ajar, garage door open, keys in truck, TV on, 4 children downstairs alone. How much more obvious can an obviously negligent situation appear?

P.S. CLDMom, this pic is the real Lindyy!

I brought her out to 'sniff out' funny-bunny stuff. She says this situation is full of funny-bunny goings on.

Lindyy's mom
:heart:

adj4u's photo
Tue 06/24/08 07:07 PM
Edited by adj4u on Tue 06/24/08 07:08 PM

okay...let me give another scenerio or two

My mother has no cartiledge in her knees...:cry:

Her attEMPTS AT WALKING ARE SO PAINFUL sad



OOOPS...THERE GO THOSE CAP KEYS AGAIN...laugh


well anyway ...

Her balance is soo delicate & so critical

and at 78 , her health has diminished

now..granted ...

she's got a lifeline button she can press

to call the people who help tend

to her overall protection & coverage ....


but..

what if the necklace lost power & she fell sad


again....:cry:

and was not able to pull the emergency cord sad

or reach the phone or call for help ??? :cry:


What if she broke her hip sad

and was laying there in agony??? sad




i would be forever endebted drinker

to the police or the firemen :heart:

to break her door down drinker

if they couldn't get in noway

and make sure my Mother was okay ...:heart: :heart: :heart:





or what if there was a baby crying constantly sad

and the parents were sick or epileptic ohwell

or injured or mentally challenged ??? flowerforyou



Again...just a couple of other scenerios :cry:



and then i'll be done flowerforyou

unless i think of something else to say :wink:






then she can give a blanket entry permission slip to the city

as massagetrade has said or post a sign giving them permission

other than that they should follow the forth amendment


oh yeah hi back

adj4u's photo
Wed 06/25/08 06:43 AM

I still say since NOONE answered the door,the police were right to check.The whole scene put together would make me wonder if something happened.in my hood I would want them to check.you dont leave doors open here or downstairs windows.i guess some people live in Fantasy land or think because they have guns nothing can happen to them or theirs.No rights were violated here because they were trying to help,not harass.The cops do their job for once and still people *****.amazing.


ok jax here is a senaro for ya

the guy you been talking to and met a few times finally decides to spend the night with ya

and you come home from a late dinner and the moment heats up on the way back to the apt

so you are in a hurry and lv the garage door open (no remote to close it) and on the way to the house it gets a little more passionate as you enter the house and push the door towards closing it fails to close completely and you go up to the bed room (in the mean time the wind blows the door open far enough to make it obvious) yer really into each other mking it hot and heavy all of the sudden you look up and see to cops in your bedroom

after all it is 3 in the morning and the door was open looks very suspicious and they did hear some load noises

bigsmile bigsmile

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drinker

franshade's photo
Wed 06/25/08 07:14 AM
lol - I still say, if I didn't invite you in; and you enter, you are trespassing, regardless of what you wear or what profession you are in.

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adj4u's photo
Wed 06/25/08 07:16 AM

lol - I still say, if I didn't invite you in; and you enter, you are trespassing, regardless of what you wear or what profession you are in.

flowerforyou {adj great scenario}flowerforyou






flowerforyou flowerforyou

yep no warrant no entry without an invite

franshade's photo
Wed 06/25/08 07:20 AM
lol - still visualizing your scenario blushing laugh

Officers may have had all the best intentions in the world but to try and say this was ok is beyond me, least not in my home. Guess it's a good thing, we are all entitled to our own opinions. (I mean, are we still???) laugh laugh

adj4u's photo
Wed 06/25/08 10:59 PM
looks like we killed it fran

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franshade's photo
Thu 06/26/08 05:09 AM
I'd say so sad wasnt my intent to be a thread killer.... tears


adj4u's photo
Thu 06/26/08 11:00 AM
sure am glad being a thread killer only carries the death penalty to the thread

insert funeral march emoticon here

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franshade's photo
Thu 06/26/08 11:19 AM

sure am glad being a thread killer only carries the death penalty to the thread

insert funeral march emoticon here

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ME 2 ME 2

especially since I'd be the murderer tears tears tears tears

Fanta46's photo
Thu 06/26/08 12:21 PM

lol - I still say, if I didn't invite you in; and you enter, you are trespassing, regardless of what you wear or what profession you are in.

flowerforyou {adj great scenario}flowerforyou






Yeah!

and what if you're into getting spanked? The cops come in, see that, think something else, and shoot her before she can say thank you!!!laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh