A lamb who didn't run or try to get away from trouble...

Aren't you forgetting that he's the one who started the trouble when he upset the money-changer's tables?

she did not write the song.

shaden do you have to pee?
nice song.

Aren't you forgetting that he's the one who started the trouble when he upset the money-changer's tables?

I laugh at people who rail against God for His provisions & His word, instead of realizing that PEOPLE are a product of their OWN corruption. hahahaha

You shouldn’t laugh at people that’s not nice.

Of course people are the product of their own corruption. That’s a given if they are believed to have free will. However, when speaking of free will, the story of Jesus raises some very serious questions.

First off, if Jesus was born of a virgin and sent by God to be nailed to a cross to die for the sins of man, then even as Jesus was being born men were already fated to nail him to a cross whether they wanted to or not. Otherwise God’s master plan would have failed.

So clearly men had no choice but to nail Jesus to the cross. So in that act they were not responsible for their own corruption. It clearly wasn’t their free will choice. Otherwise it would have made no sense for Jesus to have been a specific individual who was sent by God and born of a virgin. Clearly this whole thing had been planned out by God in advance.

Secondly, what sense does is make for an all-loving, all-wise, God to ask men to nail his son to a cross so that he can forgive them of their sins? This is basically what God would have been doing. People always look at this from the point of view of Jesus like as if Jesus was just a man who offered himself up as a sacrificial lamb to God. But that scenario would have only made sense if Jesus was a normal mortal man in every way. The fact that God actually sent Jesus for the sole purpose of going this totally negates any idea that Jesus willingly chose to sacrifice himself. Clearly he had no choice in the matter. He was sent by God for this task.

So this is God saying to men, “Here, nail my son to a cross and I’ll forgive you of your sins”.

But what sense does this make?

If you go back and read the old testament, it only makes sense in the context of God being appeased by blood sacrifices. So here is God sending his own son to be sacrificed by men so that God can forgive them of their sins.

This supposedly an all-powerful, all-wise God who can only forgive men of their sins if they murder his only begotten son. Keep in mind also that murder is a sin. So God is saying to men, “Here, sin some more and I’ll forgive you of your sins”

The whole idea of a God prearranging the murder of his “only begotten son’ so that he can forgive men of their sins may make sense to you, but to me it’s the most absurd thing I can imagine.

Such a God does not appear to me to be all-powerful, all-loving, and certainly not all-wise.

If this story is true, then our creator has serious limitations, and mental capacity.

Since I can’t believe that God would be limited in either power, or wisdom, I simply reject the story as being utterly nonsensical.

Besides, it way too similar to all the other manmade folklore of the time.

Why would the real creator of this universe just happen to turn out to be almost identical to all the other manmade myths of the time?

http://www.pocm.info/index.html

To me it’s crystal clear that this myth of a God who is appeased by blood sacrifices can’t possibly be true.

Is it right or wrong to tell small children that there is no Santa Claus?

JB

Is it right or wrong to tell small children that there is no Santa Claus?

JB

You shouldn’t laugh at people that’s not nice.

Of course people are the product of their own corruption. That’s a given if they are believed to have free will. However, when speaking of free will, the story of Jesus raises some very serious questions.

First off, if Jesus was born of a virgin and sent by God to be nailed to a cross to die for the sins of man, then even as Jesus was being born men were already fated to nail him to a cross whether they wanted to or not. Otherwise God’s master plan would have failed.

So clearly men had no choice but to nail Jesus to the cross. So in that act they were not responsible for their own corruption. It clearly wasn’t their free will choice. Otherwise it would have made no sense for Jesus to have been a specific individual who was sent by God and born of a virgin. Clearly this whole thing had been planned out by God in advance.

Secondly, what sense does is make for an all-loving, all-wise, God to ask men to nail his son to a cross so that he can forgive them of their sins? This is basically what God would have been doing. People always look at this from the point of view of Jesus like as if Jesus was just a man who offered himself up as a sacrificial lamb to God. But that scenario would have only made sense if Jesus was a normal mortal man in every way. The fact that God actually sent Jesus for the sole purpose of going this totally negates any idea that Jesus willingly chose to sacrifice himself. Clearly he had no choice in the matter. He was sent by God for this task.

So this is God saying to men, “Here, nail my son to a cross and I’ll forgive you of your sins”.

But what sense does this make?

If you go back and read the old testament, it only makes sense in the context of God being appeased by blood sacrifices. So here is God sending his own son to be sacrificed by men so that God can forgive them of their sins.

This supposedly an all-powerful, all-wise God who can only forgive men of their sins if they murder his only begotten son. Keep in mind also that murder is a sin. So God is saying to men, “Here, sin some more and I’ll forgive you of your sins”

The whole idea of a God prearranging the murder of his “only begotten son’ so that he can forgive men of their sins may make sense to you, but to me it’s the most absurd thing I can imagine.

Such a God does not appear to me to be all-powerful, all-loving, and certainly not all-wise.

If this story is true, then our creator has serious limitations, and mental capacity.

Since I can’t believe that God would be limited in either power, or wisdom, I simply reject the story as being utterly nonsensical.

Besides, it way too similar to all the other manmade folklore of the time.

Why would the real creator of this universe just happen to turn out to be almost identical to all the other manmade myths of the time?

http://www.pocm.info/index.html

To me it’s crystal clear that this myth of a God who is appeased by blood sacrifices can’t possibly be true.

Aren't you forgetting that he's the one who started the trouble when he upset the money-changer's tables?

Here is a beautiful song about our Beautiful Savior...Christ Jesus... the Great Sheppard who finds those lost...

As GENTLE as a lamb...is the Lamb of God. A lamb who didn't run or try to get away from trouble... prick it till it bleeds & watch it lick the blood off your shoes... gentle...gentle as a lamb...our Lord & Savior Jesus is. It takes TOTAL surrender to be that gentle. Surrender of our pride...worries... fears... anxieties... anger...and any other problem under the sun.

It's all about You, Jesus
And all this is for You
For Your glory and your fame
It's not about me
As if You should do things my way
You alone are God
And I surrender to your ways

Jesus, lover of my soul
All consuming fire is in Your gaze
Jesus, I want you to know
I will follow you all my days
For no one else in history is like you
And history itself belongs to you
Alpha and Omega, You have loved me
And I will share eternity with You

I see you point Jeannie, I truly do.

But at the same time, wars aren’t typically fought over Santa Claus. People don’t normally tell other people that they’ll go to hell if they don’t believe in Santa Claus. Or that if they aren’t aligned with Santa Claus then they must be aligned with the Grinch that Stole Christmas.

I would have no problem at all with people who believe in Santa Claus if that ideal was harmless, but clearly these religious ideals are not harmless. They cause people to judge others, and place them at odds. This religion divides humanity into opposing Groups of “believers” versus “non-believers”.

In short, it’s a lot more destructive to humanity than merely believing in Santa Claus.

Also what so many people are totally in denial of is that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are basically the same religion that has fallen into three major parts and thousands of denominations and sects. It is actually this single fragmented religion that is causing all the grief on planet earth. They all begin with “Thou Shalt have no other God but ours!”

The pantheists are truly out of the loop altogether. However, they are not unaffected by the wars between the aforementioned religious zealots. And I’m speaking about proselytizing wars, and wars of point-and-blame, as well as the actual physical wars of death and destruction.

So for individuals, yes, I see your point. Let the children believe what they need to believe to be happy.

But the problem is that when they join in the public propagation of the myth by claiming that it represents the only true God, etc., then they are actually partaking in the war against humanity whether they realize it or not.

Santa Claus hasn’t proclaimed that ‘non-believers’ will be considered to be outcasts who work for the Grinch. But the Bible does proclaim that people are either with God, or against him. There is no middle of the road!

It’s a very dangerous myth that causes serious anguish all over the world.

Moreover, adults are no longer children. They should be able to deal with truth.

Here is a beautiful song about our Beautiful Savior...Christ Jesus... the Great Sheppard who finds those lost...

As GENTLE as a lamb...is the Lamb of God. A lamb who didn't run or try to get away from trouble... prick it till it bleeds & watch it lick the blood off your shoes... gentle...gentle as a lamb...our Lord & Savior Jesus is. It takes TOTAL surrender to be that gentle. Surrender of our pride...worries... fears... anxieties... anger...and any other problem under the sun.

It's all about You, Jesus
And all this is for You
For Your glory and your fame
It's not about me
As if You should do things my way
You alone are God
And I surrender to your ways

Jesus, lover of my soul
All consuming fire is in Your gaze
Jesus, I want you to know
I will follow you all my days
For no one else in history is like you
And history itself belongs to you
Alpha and Omega, You have loved me
And I will share eternity with You