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yes he is. look at the crusades a "holy" war or what about the Inquisiton? those were all done by man, not God. So, that man could maintain power. Those were not the work of God. |
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yes he is. look at the crusades a "holy" war or what about the Inquisiton? THAT was man's doing...NOT God's (or women's lol) Drew...to me Love thy neighbor doesn't mean you can't be pissed. i love my mom, but she drives me batty and we get into it |
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Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
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Men doing it in God's name...doesn't make it so. some men are full of power and greed
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Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. That book is so damned convoluted it's impossible to know what the hell it's trying to say.  |
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Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
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Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. That book is so damned convoluted it's impossible to know what the hell it's trying to say. It's saying that the word of God is like a doube edge sword, Abra. It cuts both ways and divides the soul from the spirit when heard. it also means that it cuts to heal. It also means that it is hard to swallow. It also means that it divides man from God. It also means that it takes more than acting like one is being beat over the head with Jesus all day long. It's really easy...... just turn off the religion forum and no more talk of Jesus and the Bible. oops......who said the Christians are in the way anyway? it cuts both ways. proselytizing is proselytizing. it cuts the heart.   
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proselytizing is proselytizing. it cuts the heart. It's actually been the cause of many wars, beheadings and innocent people being burned at the stake. It’s also obviously been at the root of the Middle East tensions for millennium. I guess it’s best just to let all the religious zealots kill each other off in a mega war. Maybe the survivors will realize that religion is the greatest evil on earth and finally come to their senses and future generations will become atheists and live happily ever after. To me it just seems like so much wasted energy,…. Spreading hate for Jesus’ sake,…what an oxymoron. Hmmm? I know I wrote a song with those lyrics, but I don’t remember having seen it laying around lately.  I don’t know why the Jesus Freaks are so anxious to kill off humanity and place everyone at each other’s throats. I guess they are becoming bloodthirsty just like the God in the book they read. Sometimes I seriously believe that the Bible itself was written by a demon and all those who worship it have been cast under its demonic spell. They are so blinded by it they can’t even see what it’s doing to humanity. How can any good come out of all this hostility? Trying to shove their beliefs down the throats of others, and proclaiming that those who don’t buy it are choosing to rebel against God and side with the devil. A God who is seriously at war with a demonic fallen angle is a pathetically weak and unwise creator. Such a creator has lost control of his very own creation, either that, or he’s a frigging sadist himself. It’s archaic superstition that only serves to pit man against man. Is that was this God would want? If not, then why did a supposedly all-wise God create such an absurd situation? Cleary he had to have known that by creating his ‘bible’ he would pit man against man. A God who plays such demented hide-and-seek games would be a real sadist. You can’t honestly expect people from other belief systems (like Islam) to bow down to YOUR God???? They are thinking precisely the same thing, from their point of view THEIR God is the correct God and you are the one who is worshiping the Demonic Force. When are you people going to WAKE UP???? After you’ve killed each other???? Your religion is a war mongering religion, “Either believe in OUR DOCTRINE or DIE with the Devil!” Such a pity. I wouldn’t want to anything to do with any such deity even if it actually existed. It’s clearly a war mongering deity. But in truth, it’s just a war mongering religion that doesn’t have any more merit than Greek Mythology. It wouldn't even be bad if people just wanted to beleive in it for themselves. But no, they can't do that. They aren't going to be happy until the whole world confesses the Jesus Christ is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. They are like spoiled little brats, "My God's better than your God! Nah nah, nah nah nah!  " The only problem is that they won't stop until everyone is either converted or killed. |
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yes he is. look at the crusades a "holy" war or what about the Inquisiton? THAT was man's doing...NOT God's (or women's lol) Drew...to me Love thy neighbor doesn't mean you can't be pissed. i love my mom, but she drives me batty and we get into it My friend--your mom being a bit "batty" isn't an enemy. She might get under your skin from time to time (we all have that capacity)--no, what I'm talking about are your enemies. I think to love them is immoral. I don't think getting wrapped up in hate is healthy either so I don't feel angry. I just think to love them is asking us to do that which is unnatural. -Drew |
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I just think to love them is asking us to do that which is unnatural. Biblical love is a strange thing Drew. Evidently you can blow them away, then drag their carcass to the dump and toss it onto the rubbish pile and all the while claim to be weeping because you love them so much. After all, that’s precisely what the Biblical God does as he casts people into his hellfire and then weeps because he loves them so much that he hates that he had to do that to them. So Biblical love is a really strange thing. To God love is just a word about how he feels. Apparently it’s not connected to any actions. |
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proselytizing is proselytizing. it cuts the heart. It's actually been the cause of many wars, beheadings and innocent people being burned at the stake. It’s also obviously been at the root of the Middle East tensions for millennium. I guess it’s best just to let all the religious zealots kill each other off in a mega war. Maybe the survivors will realize that religion is the greatest evil on earth and finally come to their senses and future generations will become atheists and live happily ever after. To me it just seems like so much wasted energy,…. Spreading hate for Jesus’ sake,…what an oxymoron. Hmmm? I know I wrote a song with those lyrics, but I don’t remember having seen it laying around lately. I don’t know why the Jesus Freaks are so anxious to kill off humanity and place everyone at each other’s throats. I guess they are becoming bloodthirsty just like the God in the book they read. Sometimes I seriously believe that the Bible itself was written by a demon and all those who worship it have been cast under its demonic spell. They are so blinded by it they can’t even see what it’s doing to humanity. How can any good come out of all this hostility? Trying to shove their beliefs down the throats of others, and proclaiming that those who don’t buy it are choosing to rebel against God and side with the devil. A God who is seriously at war with a demonic fallen angle is a pathetically weak and unwise creator. Such a creator has lost control of his very own creation, either that, or he’s a frigging sadist himself. It’s archaic superstition that only serves to pit man against man. Is that was this God would want? If not, then why did a supposedly all-wise God create such an absurd situation? Cleary he had to have known that by creating his ‘bible’ he would pit man against man. A God who plays such demented hide-and-seek games would be a real sadist. You can’t honestly expect people from other belief systems (like Islam) to bow down to YOUR God???? They are thinking precisely the same thing, from their point of view THEIR God is the correct God and you are the one who is worshiping the Demonic Force. When are you people going to WAKE UP???? After you’ve killed each other???? Your religion is a war mongering religion, “Either believe in OUR DOCTRINE or DIE with the Devil!” Such a pity. I wouldn’t want to anything to do with any such deity even if it actually existed. It’s clearly a war mongering deity. But in truth, it’s just a war mongering religion that doesn’t have any more merit than Greek Mythology. It wouldn't even be bad if people just wanted to beleive in it for themselves. But no, they can't do that. They aren't going to be happy until the whole world confesses the Jesus Christ is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. They are like spoiled little brats, "My God's better than your God! Nah nah, nah nah nah! " The only problem is that they won't stop until everyone is either converted or killed. huh? you mean churchianity Abra. the pseudos. but it pleases you to not comprehend that, I suppose. please make your vote count. I walked away a long time ago, my friend. I don't do props.
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Edited by
sethwyo
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Wed 04/30/08 08:41 PM
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Wed 04/30/08 09:39 PM
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I think a lot of people use Jesus to incite war without even realizing the folly of their ways. You can’t intimidate people into loving Jesus by threatening eternal damnation if they don’t comply. Any love that is won on those terms is insincere and meaningless anyway. And that’s precisely what they are claiming Jesus is like. Either love me, or off with you head!!! It’s an extremely archaic medieval tactic that was actually used by mortal Kings of old. Hardly the mannerisms that would be used by a truly divine deity. Abra.....Gonna be real upfront with you Abra... You are not misunderstanding the Word of God as you would have us believe....no....NOT one bit....cause we know you are not that stupid....in fact...you are quite intelligent...BRILLIANT in fact.... a Genius in a lot of ways......so therefore and extremely intelligent man like yuo , does NOT deliberately misinterpret the Word of God as GROSSLY and pathetically as you do...UNLESS he is doing it DELIBERATELY ...to COVER the REAL truth ..which is a LOSER MENTALITY he hides behind ...for his failures.....and now it is just an excuse used to blame God for his OWN bad choices....and continued irresponsible behaviour towards life . You are no longer a 5 year old boy..stop acting like one. Spoken in Love..caue I care but this had to be said...hopefully this will wake you up , Abra...and you will stop the games. Time to take responsiblity for your life..and grow up...and stop blaming God...cause it is a poor excuse that we all can see thru. Time to grow up. |
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There's a time for peace, a time for hate, I pray we're not too late.
As long as people don't accept Jesus, people'll be fighting over land, power and money. I think the only solution is a spiritual one so I pray about the situation often. Still, we're bringing Christianity to very Godless places. We freed 14 million people and we're showing people what the rule of law can do and what multiculturalism can be like. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Wed 04/30/08 09:00 PM
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I just think to love them is asking us to do that which is unnatural. Biblical love is a strange thing Drew. Evidently you can blow them away, then drag their carcass to the dump and toss it onto the rubbish pile and all the while claim to be weeping because you love them so much. After all, that’s precisely what the Biblical God does as he casts people into his hellfire and then weeps because he loves them so much that he hates that he had to do that to them. So Biblical love is a really strange thing. To God love is just a word about how he feels. Apparently it’s not connected to any actions. No one..... I mean NO ONE with ANY intelligence, can so badly misconscue the Word like you do..... Only someone who KNOWS exactly why he is doing this..... Sorry Abra..... You are fooling no one but yourself. Sad.....cause you could be using this intelligence and gifts that God gave you..but instead, you choose to continue to waste them...and your life....even moreso....by hiding behind this "front" you present to us here.... But its not too late to stop the games ...and get Real with God. |
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A time 2 love
A time 2 hate  A time 4 war  A time 4 peace  A time 2 live  A time 2 Die  A time 2 laugh A time 2 weep  Does anyone rember where that is? I cant.(would like 2 know) |
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A time 2 love A time 2 hate A time 4 war A time 4 peace A time 2 live A time 2 Die A time 2 laugh A time 2 weep Does anyone rember where that is? I cant.(would like 2 know) Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 NIV There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven: a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot, a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build, a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance, a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them, a time to embrace and a time to refrain, a time to search and a time to give up, a time to keep and a time to throw away, a time to tear and a time to mend, a time to be silent and a time to speak, a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace. |
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I love the Old King James Version...poetically very beautiful
Ecclesiastes Chapter 3 :1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace. What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth? I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it. He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end. |
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Edited by
yashafox_F4X1
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Wed 04/30/08 09:40 PM
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There was a 60's song that made use of this material from Ecclesiastes. It was a beautiful song, beautifully done. I thrill when I hear it and when I read it. The song was by the Byrds, Roger McGuire & Co., I think.
To every thing, turn, turn, turn There is a season, turn, turn, turn and a Time for Every Purpose under Heaven... etc. and ended a time for peace a time for war Oh God, I hope we're not too late. I don't think Jesus is for war, but I know that Satan certainly is! |
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To speak to the saying that Yahshua said Love your Enemies for if you love yourselves only does not even your enemy do so.
When speaking of our families The Man is the head/ Protector of his family.He is to love his wife then children as Yahshua has loved us with the giving of his life. The Law gave special provisions to family members of victims. If someone close to you was killed if the killer did not get to a city of refuge where judges would judge the matter. The outrage of the family was not held accountable if this person did not run to a city of refuge for a judgement. Now is this your enemy? This is and can be your enemy. I do not believe this is what he was speaking about. many places throughout the Bible does a man of Yahweh not hate his enemy. Joseph did not hate Pharoh. Or his brothers even. This time he said this was a very much a slap in the face of the Pharasees in this phrase. They believed the Romans would be wiped out by the comming Messiah. Instead he is saying to love those who have charge over you.Romans were Israels Enemy.But they lived peaceful among them and lived by as much of thier law as they could. The tax man today you should love him He you see as your enemy but abide by what he says. He was low on the totem pole then also. Your enemy is anyone who is an enemy of Yahweh. That is your enemy. And Yahweh has mercy on them also. But the outrage a man may have as the protector of his family is perfectly justified and does not fall under this saying. You have to look at why Yahshua would say anything he said because he is the Word. He was the Yahweh of the OT. He said he said nothing that was not told him from his father. So any saying that does not make since I can garantee you he is speaking of the spirit of the law and unless you know the Law. You can not understand it. Just like the Ox in the Ditch. It has way more to that context that working on the Sabbath. That is not even what Yahshua was telling the pharasees. So go to the law that relates to that subject and then you will get a better view of what Yahshua our Messiah was really saying..Blessings...Miles |
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