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in a country that is supposed to be founded on religious freedom, saying that keeping god in the pledge is like saying "you can believe what you want as long as we get the last word". not every body believes in god , not every religion believes in a single god. and to keep it in there because you think it's a good idea and is going to cure these problems is a little injust to the rest of the people that live in this country. Our founding fathers believed in God and that is all that matters. If others don't like that they have the option to go somewhere else. your kidding right? are you really that ignorant? it's in the damn decloration of independence that there is a devision of church and state as well as no person being descriminated against for their beliefs and you have the balls to say that? do you even have the slightest clue what your talking about at all? Rather than calling people names and putting them down maybe it would be better for you to be informed before launching into a war of words. Here is your answer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state Going back to the high school history lesson you will remember that the first amendment came about as a jab at England, where a person was expected to accept the church of England. The puritans, some of whom came here, did so to avoid persecution in a land where they could worship freely. So begins the story of the USA. 
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Under which God? The God in the Pledge of Allegiance, of course! God is such a generic name. If you really want to say anything, say Yahweh. But I think it was Jesus who said something like "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." In other words: God and government are separate. the problem is that some view under God as the christian God and some don't belive in a god at all. this country has freedom of religion and because of that...they have separation of church and state. |
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in a country that is supposed to be founded on religious freedom, saying that keeping god in the pledge is like saying "you can believe what you want as long as we get the last word". not every body believes in god , not every religion believes in a single god. and to keep it in there because you think it's a good idea and is going to cure these problems is a little injust to the rest of the people that live in this country. Our founding fathers believed in God and that is all that matters. If others don't like that they have the option to go somewhere else. why would someone have to leave? because of our country...we have the option to NOT say it or not. I don't think not saying Under God makes anyone any lesser of an american Rock on sister! 
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in a country that is supposed to be founded on religious freedom, saying that keeping god in the pledge is like saying "you can believe what you want as long as we get the last word". not every body believes in god , not every religion believes in a single god. and to keep it in there because you think it's a good idea and is going to cure these problems is a little injust to the rest of the people that live in this country. Our founding fathers believed in God and that is all that matters. If others don't like that they have the option to go somewhere else. your kidding right? are you really that ignorant? it's in the damn decloration of independence that there is a devision of church and state as well as no person being descriminated against for their beliefs and you have the balls to say that? do you even have the slightest clue what your talking about at all? Rather than calling people names and putting them down maybe it would be better for you to be informed before launching into a war of words. Here is your answer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state Going back to the high school history lesson you will remember that the first amendment came about as a jab at England, where a person was expected to accept the church of England. The puritans, some of whom came here, did so to avoid persecution in a land where they could worship freely. So begins the story of the USA. very good |
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if they didn't want that type of answer then they shouldn't go talking that way should they?
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in a country that is supposed to be founded on religious freedom, saying that keeping god in the pledge is like saying "you can believe what you want as long as we get the last word". not every body believes in god , not every religion believes in a single god. and to keep it in there because you think it's a good idea and is going to cure these problems is a little injust to the rest of the people that live in this country. Our founding fathers believed in God and that is all that matters. If others don't like that they have the option to go somewhere else. your kidding right? are you really that ignorant? it's in the damn decloration of independence that there is a devision of church and state as well as no person being descriminated against for their beliefs and you have the balls to say that? do you even have the slightest clue what your talking about at all? Rather than calling people names and putting them down maybe it would be better for you to be informed before launching into a war of words. Here is your answer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state Going back to the high school history lesson you will remember that the first amendment came about as a jab at England, where a person was expected to accept the church of England. The puritans, some of whom came here, did so to avoid persecution in a land where they could worship freely. So begins the story of the USA. I hope you do know that wiki info can be given from anyone, even the illiterate (who know how to type!). But another HS history lesson: Why did they flee to the US? and How many of our founding fathers were not Christian? |
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I think the original version didn't have the Under God in it. Congress stuck it in in the 50s, I think. But, I could be wrong.
We used to say this pledge every morning in primary school when I was growing up in the 60s. I went to the Dow Avenue school in Asbury Park, New Jersey. Although it was 46 years ago, it seems like only yesterday at times. And richard stanz is still around. |
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You guys know that the Puritans were the ones who burnt children at the stake for playing in the woods and singing about anything except God, right? Is that how you want this country to be?
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Under which God? The God in the Pledge of Allegiance, of course! God is such a generic name. If you really want to say anything, say Yahweh. But I think it was Jesus who said something like "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." In other words: God and government are separate. the problem is that some view under God as the <Christian> God and some don't <believe> in a god at all. this country has freedom of religion and because of that...they have separation of church and state. God is a god. God god gods. The problem is the part in the constitution where it says "Freedom of Religion." And where the court legally named Atheism a religion. "God" or "god(s)" doesn't fit. |
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I think the original version didn't have the Under God in it. Congress stuck it in in the 50s, I think. But, I could be wrong. We used to say this pledge every morning in primary school when I was growing up in the 60s. I went to the Dow Avenue school in Asbury Park, New Jersey. Although it was 46 years ago, it seems like only yesterday at times. And richard stanz is still around. No you are correct there. |
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exactly
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You guys know that the Puritans were the ones who burnt children at the stake for playing in the woods and singing about anything except God, right? Is that how you want this country to be? Salem witch trials every night? |
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You guys know that the Puritans were the ones who burnt children at the stake for playing in the woods and singing about anything except God, right? Is that how you want this country to be? Salem witch trials every night? "Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy." - Henry Mencken |
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in a country that is supposed to be founded on religious freedom, saying that keeping god in the pledge is like saying "you can believe what you want as long as we get the last word". not every body believes in god , not every religion believes in a single god. and to keep it in there because you think it's a good idea and is going to cure these problems is a little injust to the rest of the people that live in this country. Our founding fathers believed in God and that is all that matters. If others don't like that they have the option to go somewhere else. your kidding right? are you really that ignorant? it's in the damn decloration of independence that there is a devision of church and state as well as no person being descriminated against for their beliefs and you have the balls to say that? do you even have the slightest clue what your talking about at all? Rather than calling people names and putting them down maybe it would be better for you to be informed before launching into a war of words. Here is your answer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state Going back to the high school history lesson you will remember that the first amendment came about as a jab at England, where a person was expected to accept the church of England. The puritans, some of whom came here, did so to avoid persecution in a land where they could worship freely. So begins the story of the USA. I hope you do know that wiki info can be given from anyone, even the illiterate (who know how to type!). But another HS history lesson: Why did they flee to the US? and How many of our founding fathers were not Christian? I can help you. Type "separation of church and state" in that little box in the upper right and click on the little magnifying glass. You will find all of the links. They all cite the first amendment verbatim. No, they all weren't Christians. How does that pertain to the first amendment and no STATE SPONSORED RELIGION? Remember what they did to non-Christians in merry olde England as well as the Puritans? Do your own homework. It makes for a more interesting discussion.
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Curiously how does an illiterate person know what they are typing? Don't you think the ability to read would be a prerequisite?
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in a country that is supposed to be founded on religious freedom, saying that keeping god in the pledge is like saying "you can believe what you want as long as we get the last word". not every body believes in god , not every religion believes in a single god. and to keep it in there because you think it's a good idea and is going to cure these problems is a little injust to the rest of the people that live in this country. Our founding fathers believed in God and that is all that matters. If others don't like that they have the option to go somewhere else. your kidding right? are you really that ignorant? it's in the damn decloration of independence that there is a devision of church and state as well as no person being descriminated against for their beliefs and you have the balls to say that? do you even have the slightest clue what your talking about at all? Rather than calling people names and putting them down maybe it would be better for you to be informed before launching into a war of words. Here is your answer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state Going back to the high school history lesson you will remember that the first amendment came about as a jab at England, where a person was expected to accept the church of England. The puritans, some of whom came here, did so to avoid persecution in a land where they could worship freely. So begins the story of the USA. I hope you do know that wiki info can be given from anyone, even the illiterate (who know how to type!). But another HS history lesson: Why did they flee to the US? and How many of our founding fathers were not Christian? I can help you. Type "separation of church and state" in that little box in the upper right and click on the little magnifying glass. You will find all of the links. They all cite the first amendment verbatim. No, they all weren't Christians. How does that pertain to the first amendment and no STATE SPONSORED RELIGION? Remember what they did to non-Christians in merry olde England as well as the Puritans? Do your own homework. It makes for a more interesting discussion. What once was a little snow ball is now an avalanche. Have fun ;) |
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Curiously how does an illiterate person know what they are typing? Don't you think the ability to read would be a prerequisite? Copy and paste! |
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in a country that is supposed to be founded on religious freedom, saying that keeping god in the pledge is like saying "you can believe what you want as long as we get the last word". not every body believes in god , not every religion believes in a single god. and to keep it in there because you think it's a good idea and is going to cure these problems is a little injust to the rest of the people that live in this country. Our founding fathers believed in God and that is all that matters. If others don't like that they have the option to go somewhere else. your kidding right? are you really that ignorant? it's in the damn decloration of independence that there is a devision of church and state as well as no person being descriminated against for their beliefs and you have the balls to say that? do you even have the slightest clue what your talking about at all? Rather than calling people names and putting them down maybe it would be better for you to be informed before launching into a war of words. Here is your answer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state Going back to the high school history lesson you will remember that the first amendment came about as a jab at England, where a person was expected to accept the church of England. The puritans, some of whom came here, did so to avoid persecution in a land where they could worship freely. So begins the story of the USA. I hope you do know that wiki info can be given from anyone, even the illiterate (who know how to type!). But another HS history lesson: Why did they flee to the US? and How many of our founding fathers were not Christian? I can help you. Type "separation of church and state" in that little box in the upper right and click on the little magnifying glass. You will find all of the links. They all cite the first amendment verbatim. No, they all weren't Christians. How does that pertain to the first amendment and no STATE SPONSORED RELIGION? Remember what they did to non-Christians in merry olde England as well as the Puritans? Do your own homework. It makes for a more interesting discussion. What once was a little snow ball is now an avalanche. Have fun ;) If you are comparing what was then to what is now then I am with you. Things are way out of hand. Life is as complicated as we make it though.
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Curiously how does an illiterate person know what they are typing? Don't you think the ability to read would be a prerequisite? Copy and paste! Look up illiteracy. You will understand it. An illiterate person will be wowed by the pictures alone.  Like Homer says..... Mmmmmmmm doughnuts!
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no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinion in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.
Sounds like in order for "state" and "religion" to be separated... one must have no religion governed onto him. Correct? Thus the US government can not choose a religion without being bias and enforcing that religion. Or else they will be "compelled to frequent or support any religious worship" |
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