Care to cite a verbatum quotes of Mr. Limbaugh to support the opinion of a "bigot with extremist ideals"? Please?

I honestly believe you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about here (merely parroting the beliefs of others have said to try to "fit in" with the liberal collective) and know even less about Mr. Limbaugh himself. Here's an opportunity for you to educate yourself about the man. http://www.answers.com/topic/rush-limbaugh

This might be a lot to ask of a liberal such as yourself. When/if you read the material contained in the above link, in all "fairness" try reading it with an open, non-judgemental mindset (if you are capable). You might even consider e-mailing afterwards and thanking him for his charity work in Leukemia and lymphoma plus scholarships for children of killed Marines and law enforcement (also being ranked #10 of the most charitable celebrities- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2083034/posts).

As per Rush taking this country down further than Bush... The Wall Street Journal would disagree.

"As the Dow keeps dropping, the President is running out of people to blame."

"Americans have welcomed the Obama era in the same spirit of hope the President campaigned on. But after five weeks in office, it's become clear that Mr. Obama's policies are slowing, if not stopping, what would otherwise be the normal process of economic recovery. From punishing business to squandering scarce national public resources, Team Obama is creating more uncertainty and less confidence -- and thus a longer period of recession or subpar growth."

"Listening to Mr. Obama and his chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, on the weekend, we couldn't help but wonder if they appreciate any of this. They seem preoccupied with going to the barricades against Republicans who wield little power, or picking a fight with Rush Limbaugh, as if this is the kind of economic leadership Americans want."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123604419092515347.html

"Steele to Rush: I'm sorry"

"Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele says he has reached out to Rush Limbaugh to tell him he meant no offense when he referred to the popular conservative radio host as an “entertainer” whose show can be “incendiary.”

“My intent was not to go after Rush – I have enormous respect for Rush Limbaugh,” Steele said in a telephone interview. “I was maybe a little bit inarticulate. … There was no attempt on my part to diminish his voice or his leadership.”

“I went back at that tape and I realized words that I said weren’t what I was thinking,” Steele said. "It was one of those things where I thinking I was saying one thing, and it came out differently. What I was trying to say was a lot of people … want to make Rush the scapegoat, the bogeyman, and he’s not."

“I’m not going to engage these guys and sit back and provide them the popcorn for a fight between me and Rush Limbaugh,” Steele added. “No such thing is going to happen. … I wasn’t trying to slam him or anything.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19517.html

No emoticons indicating laughter required or need. The smug sense of self-satisfaction in neutering another liberal with facts is reward enough.

Unfortunately, very simplistic. We are a nation of laws. The reality (and my understanding) is that if something is deemed illegal as prescribed by law, there are consequences to those illegal acts committed by the perpetrator(s). I think of the US in the same terms as my house and businesses. I have a fence around part of it to keep my pet dogs in and uninvited people out (a form of border security). There are locks on all the doors, windows, and an alarm system to prevent illegal entry and theft of material goods that belong to me and/or my businesses. Employees caught doing something against company policy are fired (I.E. deported from the premises). When a person seeks/desires employment with my company, there is a proper proceedure for doing so. They start by filling out an application then wait for a call to hear if they've been hired or not. If they are retained as temp workers or subcontractors, once the project they were hired for is over, so is their contract with me.

Illegal alien question/joke of the day.

Has Obama's aunt Zeituni Onyango (known illegal alien and whose been living off the US taxpayer in Boston) been incarcerated or deported yet?

to add under "other tricks"

-whine to admins when effectively neutralized by reporting abuse
-whine via private e-mail begging for mercy

I've written off the "tres pilares de ignorancia" here already as intellectual dwarfs. Codependent parasitic lampreys who can only feed off emotionalism of others. They're good for two things... comic relief and further solidifying my own beliefs.

It's my given belief that dependents (E.G. union members, welfare recipients, and state workers), codependent personality types (E.G. the insecure, that require constant affirmation and perpetual emotional and/or financial support from others), and social/moral deviants will with eyes wide open, blindly follow any socialist/NWO policy that will enable and help provide a legitimate perception of their personal persuits- regardless the depravity. Anything to absolve themselves of accepting personal responsibility. The true hypocrites who out of one side of their mouth preach "tolerance" and "open mindedness" so long as those beliefs mesh with their own agenda. Thieves who seek and desire rob others they perceive as better than themselves the right of self-determination.

I would agree that calling someone a "Commie" or "Pinko" is ineffectual (though I believe the label by definition and application is completely accurate). (An idle musing on my behalf of a potential failure in life as personally believed and understood)I truly wonder (briefly) about the individual who has the time and puts for the effort to submit 10K+ posts here if they could ever achieve any amount of personal success indepedently. Perhaps a case of too much time and too little to do in the real world to strive for a greater amount of self-sufficiency (my impression- perhaps self-esteem/ self-respect as well), instead of depending upon the real world successes and charity of others (like myself).

Bush/Obama, Republican/Democrat, borrow and spend/tax and spend... mere semantics from the big picture. Opposite sides of the same coin with subtle differences in my opinion. Incidently... inconsequential. There is one undeniable truth though, there has been and ever increasing amount of consolidation towards the NWO agenda. From coins to paper. Paper to charge/debit card. The adoption of the Euro and creation of the Amero. The logical conclusion (even for the non-religious) would be the inability to (legally) buy or sell without the mark of the beast in the "global economy". My only suggestion would be to choose your deity (if applicable) of choice wisely.

"Look folks, we all have a choice here. Do what you need to do to make it through this, or whine and b$tch until you can't stand yourself anymore. I choose to do what I need to do, and I will weather this because I knew it was coming a long time ago. I'm not going to let the media or or anyone else make me afraid of my own shadow. There's lots of people out doing constructive things right now, and more power to them for not letting scare tactics work on them". A-men!

I would have been interested to hear more about Marc Faber had to say about buying a farm if I didn't have to pay twenty bucks for his book. As one who "hobby" farms and has resided in the country most of my life, I'd be curious to know how many acres he suggests one should purchase, machinery/equipment, crops/livestock, and such he would recommend for "city slickers". A lot has changed in "farming" since the Great Depression.

“Buy a farm and let your girlfriend work on the farm,” he said, to the applause of investors". Too funny. Speaking from experience, getting a girlfriend from the city to work on a farm is virtually an impossibilty once the quaintness and novelty wears off. First time it comes to butchering, she'll become a vegetarian. Then of course, repeated instructions that she can't just flush anything down the toilet or sink without doing damage to the septic system. The water coming from the well is not unlimited like in the city.

I would tend to believe that if one isn't already in the country/on a farm or have farming experience, it's probably too late.

The farming part of this topic just reminded me of a neighbor (with no farming experience)who moved down the road here a few years ago from Chicago. He called me up one day in a frenzied voice. "There's something wrong with my corn, it looks like the tap root is growing in the wrong direction, can you come down and take a look"? I said "ok" and left for his farm. Hunkering down, I took a long careful look at the shoots, shook my head a few times (a few "hmmmmm's" interjected) and told him "You planted your seeds upside down". Had him going for almost 20 minutes on that one. Priceless.

McCain/ Palin rhetoric aside, the admitted drug use by our current president can be found in his book "Dreams from my Father". Self- admitted.

"I had learned not to care. I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though—Mickey, my potentional intiator had been just a little too eager for me to go through with that".

http://www.obamapedia.org/page/Barack+Obama's+Drug+Use?t=anon

If you choose not to listen to any of them, that's certainly your perogative (you are exercising your freedom of choice); However, your beliefs are still influenced by someone else in the media regardless. Rush may have a "loud mouth" in your opinion but that still doesn't make him wrong about every single one of his views/beliefs either (those shared by his listeners). To say there are people that believe EVERYTHING that comes out of Rush's mouth can be equated to those zealous Obama supporters as well, yes? It appears in these threads about Rush appear to be more personal (irrational name calling) than ideological or philosophical differences. How he says something and disregarding the message. I find it extremely difficult to believe a person would/could disagree with every single view he presents. I would even suggest that those most critical of him aren't even daily/frequent listeners and are the truly narrow-minded.

When it comes to the comparison between Rush's and Obama's drug usage, you're absolutely correct that I am no better than those critical of Rush. The difference lies in professional duties and responsibilites (side note- Obama deserves and is entitled to the same rhetoric Bush received as per drug and alcohol indulgences). Rush is not an elected official. Nothing he says can affect my personal life (unless I make the cognitive choice to allow it to). One junkie I don't have to listen to at all (with no consequences). The other junkie has the power and authority to deprive me of life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness with one stroke of a pen. Quantum difference.

That the likes of Richard Ramirez (The Night Stalker), David Berkowitz (The Son of Sam), and Ted Bundy were probably followers of "Rose-ism" too before they were apprehended?

Yes, people like our current president who take him so seriously that he feels compelled to talk about him instead of "acting" presidential and rising above the rhetoric of a PRIVATE and unelected citizen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wfyLBM_hIw

For some unknown reason, I just don't envision Rush Limabaugh at home perusing forum/dating sites like this... wringing his hands hoping/wondering if people like him or not. If I may be so bold to speak for him, I believe the first thing he would do if he saw and replied to this topic thread would be to thank you (madisonman) for the free plug for his show. In his type of business, it's always better to be talked about than not talked about (good or bad). He would probably ask out of curiousity "Are you jealous of my (his) success"? "Are your personal lives so pathetic and you have nothing better to do"? Rush is living his life and you (those criticial of him) living your lives focused on him (in regards to topics like this). I didn't have the time nor inclination to waste time watching Rush on youtube. Sticks and stones may break Mr. Limbaugh bones, but words will only make him laugh all the way to the bank.

An interesting observation I have here. I have yet to notice ANYONE post a topic about ANY liberal talk show host period (obviously not worth the time or effort- even about the likes of the child porno distributor and FORMER liberal talk show host Bernie Ward). This is not the first topic thread about Mr. Limbaugh here either (indicating some kind of weird obsession with him). To put it in perspective, we currently have a self-admitted cigarette/pot smoking, cocaine snorting (whose probably been drunk a few times as well) president who has the authority to launch nuclear weapons. One can turn Rush off anytime they choose with no residual effects... one can't say the same about the druggie Borat Obama.

More "fearmongering propaganda".

"The Obama administration will seek to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 during the Bush administration, Attorney General Eric Holder said today".

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1

nogames- In speaking of Germany in relationship to US gun control legislation/confiscation, your observations are completely accurate. The 1968 US laws (mostly addressing handguns)are actually based upon those of Germany under von Hindenburg right before Hilter came to power (the Nazi party just expanded and perfected them... just like "Brady Bill" type of legislation in the US). An organization called "Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership" has an excellent book called "Gun Control" (Gateway to Tyranny)- verbatum translations that read almost indentical to US laws (http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/gateway.htm).

A little more about the US/Nazi legislation and the history behind it- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/860211/posts

Unfortunately, gun confiscation, regulation, registration are realities in the US and it's "death by a thousand cuts" tactics for even the most "law abiding" citizen. I believe the days of "fighting for rights" (more like fighting for having rights further restricted)have been over for some time. I believe one needs to do whatever they need to do to protect themselves and their families via any means possible. Doing something "illegal" is only illegal if one gets caught, yes? Lessons taught (the mistakes made) by individuals in think2deep's posted link, Randy Weaver (Ruby Ridge), and David Koresh (The Branch Davidians in Waco) needn't be repeated in trying to engage the military or law enforcement directly. People just need learn to adapt to the situation by using creative/alternative methods.

"When the gun prohibitionists quote a statistic about how many people are killed by firearms misuse, the discussion sometimes bogs down into whose crime stats to believe and how to count crimes vs. the defensive firearm uses".

"In the 20th Century:
Governments murdered four times as many civilians as were killed in all the international and domestic wars combined.
Governments murdered millions more people than were killed by common criminals.
How could governments kill so many people? The governments had the power - and the people, the victims, were unable to resist. The victims were unarmed".

http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm#chart

If you go to this site, be sure to check out the "Death Chart".




Dragoness- http://www.bres.boothbay.k12.me.us/wq/nnash/WebQuest/little_red_hen.htm ... and I wish you well.

I've been debating here for quite a while on whether or not to post on this topic thread. I've gotten quite the chuckle here, noticing several things others posted here similar to things I posted decades ago on other forum sites. Executive orders, Steven Quayle (having listened to him on c-band satellite/shortwave/online for over 15 years), survival tips, guns/ammo, bows/arrows, and teaching self-sufficiency classes- all in the name of "waking people up" and "educating" them. It took several years to realize this was a futile effort. Those who want the information and are serious, will seek it out on their own. Regardless... good topic still. The best advice I can provide is-

1. KYMS (Keep Your Mouth Shut) in regards to what you have or looking for and conveying it on a public forum site when it comes to preparation (especially guns/ammo). Take it private (if you know what I mean and why). Next, the same people that scoff and sneer at your attempts to help them help themselves will be the first begging for your help when/if something happens. The only thing I will have to offer those people is telling them the story of "The Little Red Hen" and wish them well.

2. It's human nature to brag about skills, talents, and abilities (I am guilty of this myself at times as well) when it comes to preparation (for a crisis real or perceived). I believe the key is to keep a low profile. This doesn't to mean crawl into a bunker and hide but adopting/adapting to new ways of doing things like planting a vegetable garden disguised as a "hobby". Your local county cooperative extension service offers Master Gardener classes and food preservation (canning and freezing).

3. Preparation of this nature has to be a perpetual lifestyle choice and not like the novelty of packing for a weekend camping trip. A good way to test your situation to see how well you are prepared- remove the main circuit breakers from your electrical panel, disconnect the phone for a weekend, and use only the items in your home/apt. Take inventory and assess your strengths/weaknesses and make adjustments accordingly.

4. While food and guns are at the top of the list of things to have, the number one priority I believe is water and a good portable water purification system. My personal preference is the "Big Berkey". One can go weeks without food; However, one can only go a few days without water.

5. "It's better to be 10 years too early than one second too late". So you have your food, guns, and everything stored up- great, that's a start. When/if those supplies run out, get stolen, or lost... then what? Hope? Pray? Maybe the government will bail you out? Good preparation takes time and can't be achieved in a week or month, it takes years. Learning new skills and trades- many now considered obsolete/novelties and things we take for granted nowdays takes time. Vegetable gardening (using heirloom seeds that can be saved), soap making, knitting/sewing/weaving, woodworking/carpentry (using hand tools), hunting/fishing/butchering, just to mention a few. Knowledge is one thing you will always carry with you regardless of your situation. It weighs less than a can of corn and will sustain you for much longer.

I had a feeling I would get carried away here (preaching about getting prepared)... old habits die hard. The main message here (if there is one) is not to panic but not to bury your head in the sand either. Be realistic. I enjoy my computer, electricity, and modern convienences/technology as much as anyone else here; However, I also realize that just one little glitch in this current system- a domino effect is created. One little truckers strike, one little computer virus, one little key disaster (manmade or natural) is all it takes to cause this country to go into a complete paradigm paralysis.

My parting thought here. Those who are prepared aren't nearly as nervous/anxious about the current state of affairs as those who aren't.

Your visceral emotionalism is truly touching; However, fails to address anything. "So until the playing field is level there is a reason to continue to make sure that it is given every advantage available". So who would be in charge of determing when we live in this utopian "level playing field" fantasy world? What you are saying is that people that require affirmative action programs are inferiors. These are people who can't compete for employment positions or educational opportunities on their own merits (like everyone else). You're only setting these kind of people up for disappointed and failure... making them MORE dependent upon government programs. Welfare by any other name would still cost the same.

Using discrimination to "fight" discrimination makes no sense at all (especially in college admissions).

"Killing Them With Kindness" (http://www.claremont.org/publications/pubid.392/pub_detail.asp)

"The rights to the first "I told you so" are held by Thomas Sowell (my addition- who is incidently black). He has claimed for years that affirmative action guarantees the systematic mismatching of students and colleges. Exhibit A in his argument has been the study showing that black freshman at MIT had test scores on the math portion of the college aptitude tests that were, on average, in the top 10 percent of all students in the country—but in the bottom 10 percent of all MIT freshmen'.

"The people who run MIT express their commitment to SOCIAL JUSTICE (my emphasis) by searching all over the country for black students whose credentials guarantee they would be academic stars at hundreds of colleges—and inducing them to come to one of the handful of institutions where they are likely to fall behind. As Sowell points out, one-fourth of the black freshman at MIT do indeed fail to graduate".


"Blacks are the victims of law school programs of affirmative action, not the beneficiaries." According to Stuart Taylor, Jr.'s summary of Sander's research, preferences do such a thorough job of placing black students in law schools where they are unlikely to succeed, that abolishing affirmative action in admissions would decrease the number of blacks admitted to law schools—but increase the number who graduate and pass the bar exam".

"Half of black law school students end up in the bottom tenth of their classes; two-thirds in the bottom fifth; and only 8 percent in the top half. A fifth of black law students never graduate, more than twice the dropout rate of whites. According to Taylor, "More than 40 percent of entering black law students never pass the bar and never become lawyers. Blacks are four times as likely as whites to fail their first bar exams and six times as likely to fail on each of five successive attempts."

Only those who find the truth/facts offensive are truly the ignorant ones.

So what you are saying is that Black History Month was created just for symbolic purposes. Fair assessment in my opinion. It appears in todays (US) society that image is far more important than substance anyway.

Past "perceived social injustices" have been addressed, rectified, and subsequently OVER-corrected (E.G. affirmative action programs, educational and employment quota systems). A symbolic gesture to place less qualified people in positions partially or solely due to race and allow entities like the congressional black caucus to indulge in insitutionalized racism (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0107/2389.html)

"They were often ridiculed throughout history as being dumb, having no credit for inventions, and show lack of morale and education".

Unfortunately, there is undisputeable evidence to support the above comments. As per being "dumb" there are exceptions to every stereotype regardless of race. Of course there are many great inventors that were black (E.G. George Washington Carver <incidently he did NOT invent peanut butter> and Dr. Percy Julian). One never hears about the likes of Nikola Tesla or Thomas Edison spoken in terms of great "caucasian" inventors though. Can anyone name a great Hispanic or Aboriginal American inventor off the top of their head?

In regards to showing "lack of morale" ("morals" perhaps?). Blacks are 12.9% to 14% the US population (http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-5.pdf). 70% of all black births are out of wedlock (I.E. illegitimate)- http://www.welfareacademy.org/conf/papers/rector_p.shtml. As per AIDS infection- "AIDS remains the leading cause of death among black women between ages 25 and 34. It's the second-leading cause of death in black men 35-44" (http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/conditions/07/29/black.aids.report/index.html). STD's in general, one in two black female teens have a STD (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2248/is_n130_v33/ai_21072034). In regards to crimes like murder, blacks commit half of them (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm).

In education, the great college professor (and black) Walter E. Williams (http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3655)-

"According to National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) findings, only in writing do less than 40 percent of black high school students test "below basic." NAEP defines below basic as being unable to demonstrate even "partial mastery of prerequisite knowledge and skills that are fundamental for proficient work" at their grade. In math, 70 percent and, in science, 75 percent of black students score below basic.

Black high school graduates perform a little worse than white eighth-graders in both reading and U.S. history, and a lot worse in math and geography. The Thernstroms report, "In math and geography, indeed, they know no more than whites in the seventh grade." Finally, the Thernstroms conclude, "The employer hiring the typical black high school graduate (or the college that admits the average black student) is, in effect, choosing a youngster who has made it only through the eighth grade." (personal belief that Asians do the best academically overall)

I find it interesting that the black Eric Holder decides to choose Black History Month to discuss racial issues (other than it to be self-serving because he's black). As an American (and obviously not a coward), I'll gladly take his bait and talk about racial issues. Personally, I don't see what there is to discuss though... the numbers speak for themselves. Perhaps Mr. Holder would be better off wanting to talk about the weather.

Personally, I don't believe we (the US) are hurting nearly as badly as we're being TOLD we are either. The only true point of reference we all have is our own personal lives. One thing is certain, "Farmer Bill" may not have a big screen plasma television; However, he will be the last to go hungry.

The American government modus operandi..."Create a crisis and to be the only ones to have the solution to it"- the tried and true method by our government to consolidate and allow certain political parties to remain in power. One party relies on demonizing "the rich" (the producers) to eliminate the competition (E.G. The private banking/lending and healthcare institutions). The other party negotiates trade policies from a position of weakness, increasing that dependency upon other countries for goods and services.

"Should we all say the same about you???? When you are all crying on my doorstep wanting jobs???? At this point....mexico is doing better than YOU and you better count your blessings and maybe learn another language cause you just may need it!!!". Oui, oui...Excellent point.

"What does "perturbé chats" mean, btw?". My French is extremely rusty and please feel free to correct my translation if I've made a mistake- "perturbé chats" = disturbed cats.

Ohhhhhhh, now we're suppose to go to an entirely different convoluted thread of yours and try to decypher the point you're trying to make in this one? Nah, I don't think so. You'll post the relevent materials here Sparky. I was gracious enough to provide you an opportunity to retreat tactfully but notice you've chosen the path to continue further embarrassing yourself. So be it.

If it's any consolation, I needn't question your mental stability either now, your own words and consecutive multiple posting here are sufficient proof.

A little gift my intellectual capon that will hopefully benefit you in the future...

"It is often better to keep one's mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."- Mark Twain.

My apologies for not clarifying "with a human female". I forget that those with beastiality thoughts (perhaps tendencies/personal experience) and low IQ's might require further explaination.

Impressive, I only had to ask twice what your point was (when it could have been stated initially).

So what does spending our tax money on American made products to creat American jobs have to do with your cut and pasted article here concerning Canada? Where is it mentioned anywhere in the article about our tax dollars going to save their economy? Not all of us can (or will lower ourselves to) follow Fantalogic (the ebonics of logic). Make you a deal, I promise not to embarrass you (I should say let you to embarrass yourself)further on this topic if you'll just admit here that this was a poorly conceived and presented thread on your behalf. Are you smart/"man" enough to take the deal is the real question.

"be-not-organic"? That's the best you can come up with? Oy gevalt. I suppose one shouldn't expect much from an individual who posts the sum total of their shoe size and IQ score next to their ID.

Between the two of us and according to the timestamps only one of us was here last night posting. One clue, it wasn't me Sparky. One of us was out on a real date, with a real female, in real life. One clue, it wasn't you. (no multiple emoticons indicating laughter required).

With that said, care to answer the question now?

"Okay, so Canada lost 129K jobs... your point being?"