DUH! No...that's what cultlike thinking gets you. People should be able to discern better to test all things before going whole hog. That's how those people got themselves killed.

A person has to be an idiot to get themselves involved in a cult. Maybe some should know what that means before they attribute everything to it. Unlike you, I'm not willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater. No one owns me.

Yes well history will be kind to BUSH for his efforts to make the world a safer place to live for all people. History will also show the LIBS for the bummer they are when those same people become oppressed because LIBS didn't really want them to be free...LIBS just want to control everything...secular humanistly speaking that is...ehem. History will say how they "Vietnamed" the war on terror. hmmm...big happenings in India where terrorists are attacking ... emboldened by LIB govts. who have no backbone.

So much for the commies who call themselves "independants." That's another joke. Minnesota...the laughing stock of the country. they go for star power not brains in that state.

How's that twiddledumm Al Franken...trying to steal an election. He's about as popular as his dumb azz "free" radio show was. Talk about an arrogant idiot??? Well we will have alot of fun watching the LIB commies make fools of themesleves in the next two years. Won't we now?

Uh...people kill their children every day. Ever heard of abortion?

Please! Stop with the twisted logic here. Left up to their own devices, People kill themselves ...and other people. Not God.

Interesting...I've been following your thread here & you seem to have the Intellectual/Faithful discussion under control. Like a breath of FRESH AIR! Keep up the good work sister.

I know it takes more guts to live by faith than by sight because without faith it truly is impossible to please God. There is plenty of proof of that on these boards.

Aw Britt! Hope you had a great Thanksgiving too.

I just got back. Incredible...it's my very first black friday outing. All I can say is...WHEW!

If you plan it right you can get some REALLY good deals on electronics games etc. They were out there.

It was just nice being around people too!

BTW...what you wrote is right on! If I waited for that "Right Timing" I would never do a DARN thing! There's no such thing! So live life & love it too!

awwww....

LOL...lindyy...some people just don't get the digressive secular mindnumb idiocies.


I DO NOT THINK THEY KNOW THE MEANING OF "SECULAR PROGRESSIVE"


No...they believe digressing is progressing. LOL

It's so funny that it's sad.

LOL...lindyy...some people just don't get the digressive secular mindnumb idiocies.

If you are referring to BUSH I agree...he is acting like a bafoon about now. He's got me scratching my head....

Spider...some people don't want to be confused with facts. That's all there is to it.

LOL...not with all the clintonistas around he won't... LOL I guess you never heard of the trail of deads bodies that follow behind those two huh?

Yes well... most are taking a wait & see attitude about OBAMA. ...but not holding their breath either.

It looks like politics as usual with an inexperienced poll at the helm. OBAMA will certainly have to sleep with one eye open now. Won't he?

I hope he's a man of surprizes...he's got some road ahead.

I really hope the DEMS don't cave on bringing & creating jobs here in America. Or are Americans going to believe the only road to our salvation is the global road that got us into this mess to begin with?


WHATEVER WORKS
O'S NEW ECONOMIC PHILOSOPHY

Barack Obama has succeeded where Hillary Clinton failed. She hoped to win a third Clinton term, but it is her vanquisher who is reconstituting the Clinton administration.

Obama's just-named nominee for Treasury secretary, Timothy Geithner, served under Clinton Treasury Secretaries Robert Rubin and Larry Summers. Summers himself is Obama's choice to head the National Economic Council. Both are part of Rubin's circle, known for its brains and its relative moderation.

Few would have guessed back when Obama rose from the snows of Iowa that highly experienced economic technicians would represent "change we can believe in." Thankfully, Obama's airy rhetoric about a new kind of politics was more a pitch for impressionable new voters than a description of his governing style.

So far, President-elect Obama has acted with a ruthless pragmatism. He ignored the yowling left-wing blogosphere when it demanded Joe Lieberman's head, turned (reportedly) to the initially pro-Iraq War Hillary Clinton for his top foreign-policy job, and staffed up with former Clintonites.

Obama has been a shape-shifter throughout his brief political career, and the latest shape - an establishment Democrat determined to do whatever works - is the best version yet.

Obama appears to be reconsidering for now his promised repeal of President Bush's "tax cuts for the rich." Twice during the primaries, Obama hinted that he might put off the tax hikes if the economy was in distress, but he could never admit what was obvious: Proposing tax hikes in the teeth of a recession is madness.

We are entering one of those periodic cycles when liberals have to bless rather than dump on a profitable private sector, because without it there's no way for Obama to meet his pledge of creating or - in his elastic term - "saving" 2.5 million jobs. One of Bill Clinton's most valuable insights was that a favorable business climate fostering economic growth trumped any government jobs program.

If Obama is wise, he'll not only jettison his plans for a tax increase that in aiming at the rich would also hit successful small businesses, but also forswear all his protectionist sentiments from the primaries and ditch his support for a "card check" plan to promote the unionization of the American work force.

Anything that burdens business should be anathema to Dr. Fix-the-Economy.

For now, the showpiece of Obama's economic program is a massive stimulus bill that the Democratic Congress wants to have ready for his signature as soon as he departs the Capitol Hill steps after his inauguration. Even some conservative economists believe a fiscal stimulus is necessary to keep us out of a deflationary spiral, but Obama is only asking a Democratic Congress - given to fiscal incontinence even in rosy economic circumstances - to do what comes naturally.

We can't know what new twists the crisis will take (the latest financial institution in need of rescue is Robert Rubin's Citigroup). We do know that Obama will need more than a ruthless pragmatism to navigate through it.

In his masterly "The Great Inflation and Its Aftermath," Robert Samuelson chronicles the extraordinary stalwartness of President Ronald Reagan when he allowed Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker to squeeze inflation painfully out of the economic system the last time we had a downturn this severe, in 1981-1982.

That took guts. Obama will need them as well, and they won't be on loan from any adviser, no matter what his pedigree.

So much for letting people celebrate THEIR holy holidays...right? Whatever happened to live & let live. OOPS! I forgot...that for the politically correect only & all others need not apply. Same old story with these loonies. the only commercializing I see are from the gobless who want everyone else to be equally as miserable as they are. Bah Humbug to them.

Ho, ho, nope! FGCU to limit holiday decor

Christmas is just 30 days away, but Santa Claus won't be stopping by Florida Gulf Coast University this holiday.


He's not allowed on campus.

FGCU administration has banned all holiday decorations from common spaces on campus and canceled a popular greeting card design contest, which is being replaced by an ugly sweater competition. In Griffin Hall, the university's giving tree for needy preschoolers has been transformed into a "giving garden."

The moves boil down to political correctness.

"Public institutions, including FGCU, often struggle with how best to observe the season in ways that honor and respect all traditions," President Wilson Bradshaw wrote in a memo to faculty and staff Thursday. "This is a challenging issue each year at FGCU, and 2008 is no exception. While it may appear at times that a vocal majority of opinion is the only view that is held, this is not always the case."

Bradshaw's directive struck a chord with FGCU employees. The Staff Advisory Council received 44 anonymous comments on the issue; all were against the ban on holiday decorations.

"It says people are very passionate about this," said council president Ruth Rodrigues, who also is director of auxiliary services. "The holidays are a joyous time, and they want to express themselves."

The council voted Monday to send administration a letter outlining employees' comments.

In Bradshaw's memo, he said the decision was not an "attempt to suppress expression of the holiday spirit." Staffers will be permitted to display holiday decorations on their desks, but not on their office doors or in common spaces. Traditional workplace Christmas parties are not an issue at FGCU.

"We don't generally have Christmas parties here," said Audrea Anderson, associate vice president for community relations and marketing. "There are end-of-the-semester parties or end-of-the-calendar-year parties. They are certainly not related to anyone's beliefs."

Bradshaw plans to convene a committee in 2009 to address future methods of sharing traditions throughout the year.

In 2001, then-President William Merwin lit the university's official Christmas tree, a 22-foot Colorado blue spruce. Children from the college's child care center and university choir performed traditional carols.

Junior Marilyn Lerner, a 20-year-old resort and hospitality management major from California, said she'll miss seeing Christmas trees in the Student Union.

"I think they're pretty," said Lerner, who is Jewish. "It's just a Christmas tree. I don't mind."

Neither does junior Stephanie Tirado, 20, an education major from New York.

"Christmas is no longer just a religious holiday. It's commercialized now," said Tirado, who is Wiccan. "Why don't they just add a menorah then?"

You got that right Lyndy... the GOP will be back & hopefully stronger to stand against the attacks like Bush did in the beginning...before he threw his cabinet under the bus & gave in to the DEMS. No wonder people got disappointed??? The second campaign was so awesome. That's why he won so big the second time around.

Two years Lyndy...the DEMS are already quaking in their boots & people will see who really doesn't have their best interests at heart & MAYBE people will understand more & STAND BY THIS TIME, the GOP efforts to get this country back on track.

Hold onto your hat...it's gonna be a bumpy ride~~~~~

I agree with you but it could be a blessing in disguise...that is if we can get these lard arse DEMS to do what needs to be done instead of dwelling on things like natl. healthcare, the fairness doctrine, gay fascism & stalling on alternative energy. Two years folks.

They want us all to be afraid. I think we should just enjoy the holidays & not get sucked into all the doom & gloom.

His inexperience is showing BIG TIME!

I said he was an empty suit.

I am amazed that OBAMA has not stepped up to the plate while DEMS are scrambling & just don't have a clue.

You better hold onto those pennies because the govt. will confiscate those too.

Welcome to the People's Republic of the USA.

Except maybe what will be left in your pocket after OBAMA & the DEMS get done with you. OBAMA promised change but it looks more like a washington insider free for all. It looks more like they are helping themselves instead of John Q. Public. So much for change. So much for getting the economy going & job creation. they just want to keep a permanent underclass for more & more people. Govt. healthcare???? Looks more like socialistic communism to me. TWO YEARS!

President-elect promised change, picking insiders

Nov 20 05:20 AM US/Eastern
By KEVIN FREKING
Associated Press Writer 115 Comments


Number Of 'Clintonians' In Obama's Cabinet Raises Eyebrows


WASHINGTON (AP) - President-elect Barack Obama promised the voters change but has started his Cabinet selection process by naming several Washington insiders to top posts.

Obama is enlisting former Senate leader Tom Daschle as his health secretary. Hillary Rodham Clinton, a well-known Washington personality, seemed more likely than ever to be his secretary of state. Clinton is deciding whether to take that post as America's top diplomat, her associates said Wednesday

Obama is ready to announce that his attorney general will be Eric Holder, the Justice Department's No. 2 when Clinton's husband was president. Rahm Emanuel, Obama's chief of staff, is another veteran of the Clinton White House.

Daschle's selection to head the Health and Human Services Department—confirmed Wednesday but not yet announced—isn't at the same level of Cabinet prestige as the top spots at the State and Justice departments. But the health post could be more important in an Obama administration than in some others, making Daschle a key player in helping steer the president-elect's promised health care reforms.

Daschle could push Obama for quick action on health care reform next year, if he follows his own advice.

Daschle said efforts during the Clinton administration, led by Hillary Clinton, took too long and went into too much detail, giving every interest group an opportunity to find something they didn't like about the plan.

"The next president should act immediately to capitalize on the goodwill that greets any incoming administration. If that means attaching a health-care plan to the federal budget, so be it," Daschle wrote in a book he released this year, "Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis." "This issue is too important to be stalled by Senate protocol."

The former South Dakota senator's return to the government will be a vindication of sorts. He was the Senate Democratic leader when he was defeated in 2004 by Republican John Thune, who convinced voters back home that Daschle was more concerned with Washington than with them.

In fact, Daschle stayed in the capital city after his defeat, becoming a public policy adviser and member of the legislative and public policy group at the law and lobbying firm Alston & Bird. Daschle isn't registered as a lobbyist. He advises clients on issues including health care, financial services, taxes and trade, according to the firm's Web site.

Health care interests, including CVS Caremark, the National Association for Home Care and Hospice, Abbott Laboratories and HealthSouth, are among the firm's lobbying clients.

Daschle's appointment was not formally announced, but Democratic officials said the job was his barring an unforeseen problem as Obama's team reviews his background. One area of review will include the lobbying connections of his wife, Linda Hall Daschle, who has worked mostly on behalf of airline-related companies over the years. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

Republicans sniped at what they saw as an unwelcome trend. Alex Conant, spokesman for the Republican National Committee, said, "Barack Obama is filling his administration with longtime Washington insiders."


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