worst then nixon. 43 years in this country and you continue to butcher the language. Nothing going on here that the Clintons couldn't top. They had folks knocked off ya know. |
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When politicians stop trying to divide people upon racial lines?
I very rarely hear or see true racism nowadays. I do feel that the Democratic party in it's struggle to keep the black vote does more to harm relations than help them. |
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True Whiners..!
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Explain how any administration could have done better with the state and local government of LA being so backwards?
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Who is right ?.
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Its not wasted if it is a vote that is not for Obama.
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The anti-christ
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The Official US Interpretation of the Geneva Convention as it pertains to Detention and Interrogation:
Section 1. General Determinations. (a) The United States is engaged in an armed conflict with al Qaeda, the Taliban, and associated forces. Members of al Qaeda were responsible for the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001, and for many other terrorist attacks, including against the United States, its personnel, and its allies throughout the world. These forces continue to fight the United States and its allies in Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere, and they continue to plan additional acts of terror throughout the world. On February 7, 2002, I determined for the United States that members of al Qaeda, the Taliban, and associated forces are unlawful enemy combatants who are not entitled to the protections that the Third Geneva Convention provides to prisoners of war. I hereby reaffirm that determination. (b) The Military Commissions Act defines certain prohibitions of Common Article 3 for United States law, and it reaffirms and reinforces the authority of the President to interpret the meaning and application of the Geneva Conventions. Sec. 2. Definitions. As used in this order: (a) "Common Article 3" means Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions. (b) "Geneva Conventions" means: (i) the Convention for the Amelioration of the Condition of the Wounded and Sick in Armed Forces in the Field, done at Geneva August 12, 1949 (6 UST 3114); (ii) the Convention for the Amelioration of the Condition of Wounded, Sick and Shipwrecked Members of Armed Forces at Sea, done at Geneva August 12, 1949 (6 UST 3217); (iii) the Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War, done at Geneva August 12, 1949 (6 UST 3316); and (iv) the Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, done at Geneva August 12, 1949 (6 UST 3516). (c) "Cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment" means the cruel, unusual, and inhumane treatment or punishment prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States. Sec. 3. Compliance of a Central Intelligence Agency Detention and Interrogation Program with Common Article 3. (a) Pursuant to the authority of the President under the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including the Military Commissions Act of 2006, this order interprets the meaning and application of the text of Common Article 3 with respect to certain detentions and interrogations, and shall be treated as authoritative for all purposes as a matter of United States law, including satisfaction of the international obligations of the United States. I hereby determine that Common Article 3 shall apply to a program of detention and interrogation operated by the Central Intelligence Agency as set forth in this section. The requirements set forth in this section shall be applied with respect to detainees in such program without adverse distinction as to their race, color, religion or faith, sex, birth, or wealth. (b) I hereby determine that a program of detention and interrogation approved by the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency fully complies with the obligations of the United States under Common Article 3, provided that: (i) the conditions of confinement and interrogation practices of the program do not include: (A) torture, as defined in section 2340 of title 18, United States Code; (B) any of the acts prohibited by section 2441(d) of title 18, United States Code, including murder, torture, cruel or inhuman treatment, mutilation or maiming, intentionally causing serious bodily injury, rape, sexual assault or abuse, taking of hostages, or performing of biological experiments; (C) other acts of violence serious enough to be considered comparable to murder, torture, mutilation, and cruel or inhuman treatment, as defined in section 2441(d) of title 18, United States Code; (D) any other acts of cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment prohibited by the Military Commissions Act (subsection 6(c) of Public Law 109 366) and the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 (section 1003 of Public Law 109 148 and section 1403 of Public Law 109 163); (E) willful and outrageous acts of personal abuse done for the purpose of humiliating or degrading the individual in a manner so serious that any reasonable person, considering the circumstances, would deem the acts to be beyond the bounds of human decency, such as sexual or sexually indecent acts undertaken for the purpose of humiliation, forcing the individual to perform sexual acts or to pose sexually, threatening the individual with sexual mutilation, or using the individual as a human shield; or (F) acts intended to denigrate the religion, religious practices, or religious objects of the individual; (ii) the conditions of confinement and interrogation practices are to be used with an alien detainee who is determined by the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency: (A) to be a member or part of or supporting al Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated organizations; and (B) likely to be in possession of information that: (1) could assist in detecting, mitigating, or preventing terrorist attacks, such as attacks within the United States or against its Armed Forces or other personnel, citizens, or facilities, or against allies or other countries cooperating in the war on terror with the United States, or their armed forces or other personnel, citizens, or facilities; or (2) could assist in locating the senior leadership of al Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces; (iii) the interrogation practices are determined by the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, based upon professional advice, to be safe for use with each detainee with whom they are used; and (iv) detainees in the program receive the basic necessities of life, including adequate food and water, shelter from the elements, necessary clothing, protection from extremes of heat and cold, and essential medical care. (c) The Director of the Central Intelligence Agency shall issue written policies to govern the program, including guidelines for Central Intelligence Agency personnel that implement paragraphs (i)(C), (E), and (F) of subsection 3(b) of this order, and including requirements to ensure: (i) safe and professional operation of the program; (ii) the development of an approved plan of interrogation tailored for each detainee in the program to be interrogated, consistent with subsection 3(b)(iv) of this order; (iii) appropriate training for interrogators and all personnel operating the program; (iv) effective monitoring of the program, including with respect to medical matters, to ensure the safety of those in the program; and (v) compliance with applicable law and this order. Sec. 4. Assignment of Function. With respect to the program addressed in this order, the function of the President under section 6(c)(3) of the Military Commissions Act of 2006 is assigned to the Director of National Intelligence. Sec. 5. General Provisions. (a) Subject to subsection (b) of this section, this order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity, against the United States, its departments, agencies, or other entities, its officers or employees, or any other person. (b) Nothing in this order shall be construed to prevent or limit reliance upon this order in a civil, criminal, or administrative proceeding, or otherwise, by the Central Intelligence Agency or by any individual acting on behalf of the Central Intelligence Agency in connection with the program addressed in this order. |
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Burry him or not, either way there are still many with like beliefs who are just waiting to kill those who do not agree with their religious views. So Osama or no Obama we need to get rid of the radicals who wish us and the rest of the free world harm. If you ignore these people they will kill us here.
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True Whiners..!
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Had a hurricane like sequence of big changes all at once. Didn't have time for the internet or much of anything else but scramble, scratch, and survive. and a lot of these people on here will be finding the same thing in the next few years. Life is fixin to come at em faster then they ever imagined. OMG a Hurricane?!? Blame Bush! |
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Obama only cares about becoming president. The evidence is in everything he says. He will and does say anything to seem more electable to whomever he is talking to. He does this even at the expense of contradicting himself.
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Who is right ?.
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Go ahead and vote for Nader.
Nader votes will only hurt Obama. |
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The anti-christ
Edited by
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What happened in Guantanamo? Where are the convictions? You lie. How's that feel? I lie? OK, don't take my word for it. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jan/03/guantanamo.usa http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/19/guantanamo.usa http://www.forbes.com/work/feeds/afx/2005/06/24/afx2110388.html I think so. Maybe not intentionally. It's likely you just eat and regurgitate whatever you read. Don't read both sides do you? http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050614/news_1n14gitmo.html Fact of the matter is that the inmates in Guantanamo are there for a reason. If it takes forcing them to eat while they are hunger striking, tickling them, making them listen to Hillary's chuckle at 93db, or any other form of "torture" to get information that helps our military's cause in the fight against radical Islamic terrorism then it's OK by me. The Supreme court kicked us all in the groin when they decided these scum deserve the same rights as you legally. They DON'T deserve the same rights. Again I ask you for the proof of conviction for those who are guilty of abusing detainees in Guantanamo. The fact that torture happens in these establishments is already been proven and is factual. ALL humans deserve the same human rights. We cannot capture, detain and torture people at will. It is not right and any unintelligent person who backs it needs a reality check. Only unintelligent, ignorant people utilize torture because they are too dumb to know better. I hold our country and our military above these unintelligent people and so should our whole country. What price for the defense of your country? You are not willing to interrogate terrorists to protect your military and ultimately your life? History has shown those who do not defend themselves against their enemies get killed by their enemies. The radical Islamists have proclaimed YOU as their enemy and you want to let them go? That seems pretty unintelligent to me. |
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Edited by
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but according to bush, there is no recessing. just hang in there, its like only rich people use the words. money not everything. What is the definition of reccesion? We are currently in a slow growth state. It's no picinic to be sure but we have a little to go before the term reccesion would be correctly applied. I believe that things will turn around. That is IF the dollar stops loosing ground, the way to do that is to control the cost of energy (oil) and the way to do that is to drill. That alone will get things moving in the right direction. I have little pitty for those who bought more house than they could afford. Non fixed mortgages are DUMB for the vast majority of borrowers. BTW you are all aware of the small percentage of homes actually in forclosure right now don't you? It's like 3%. |
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its always nice listen to rush riding around green ville, that way i can avoid road rage, and just agree with rush.i would call the patriot but have nothing of any substance to add to the conversation. fixed |
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The bank that is failing in CA would have been fine if not for Schmuck Schumer calling them out publicly and causing a run on it.
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rush limbugh
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i guess that's why ESPN fired him. guess that was a democratic fault to. After ESPN fired Rush, other correspondents on ESPN and in sports columns around the country posted the same commentary as what Rush said. They were discussing why Donovan McNabbs performance was so poor lately and Rush responded "You know, I think the sum total of what you're all saying is that Donovan McNabb is regressing. He's going backwards. And my -- I'm sorry to say this. I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we have here is a little social concern in the NFL. I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. " His comment isn't racist. He's not saying that a black man couldn't be a great Quarterback, he's saying that Donovan McNabb isn't a good quarterback and that the media is saying his is only because he's black. Many sports commentators have parroted Rush Limbaugh. Many have outright agreed with Rush. Exactly. I would have argued the exact same thing, but whatever I post nowadays gets blasted by the most intolerant replies. Hope the same doesn't happen to this one for it is the truth. Though, when people here most often believe that a black conservative is most likely a self-hating black man or someone who sold out their race you got to wonder. What Rush said wasn't politically correct and good for him, political correctness is becoming far too rampant in the media nowadays and it a dangerous thing to avoid looking into something real for fear of being labelled as something you're not. Since when does political correctness stop a person from stating facts unless they need to demean others in order to state facts. This is not true. A person can be totally politically correct and still be an effective if not great communicator. The fact that rush is a pompous, unintelligent windbag who tries to fire people up on issues that border on racist and definitely hit hatemongering is the reason people don't like him. He is an idiot. I have yet to hear an intelligent word come out of his mouth. I think that the problem is not that Rush doesn't say anything intelligent. I think it comes from your inabillity to decipher intelligence from the left wing talking points which usually veer way clear of being intelligent. Hatemongering? yeah ok . Rush doesn't promote hatred towards anyone. Fact is those who have opposing view points are the ones who are hatemongering. Rush is also about as far from being a racist as anyone you could name. The biggest racists I can think of are those politicians who do their level best to keep the welfare state alive and well by trying to control more and more of their lives. It's as if the government doesnt think these people are smart enough to do things for themselves. |
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The anti-christ
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The Geneva Convention does not apply to terrorism, terrorists or any actions taken against terroists.
Don't think that if there were evidence that would break a case open for the prosecution that they would not use it to convict. There is a line of people (you stand in it) who would do anything they could to discredit our military. |
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There are no "elites" only Americans. Those you label as elite pay the lion's share of the US Tax load.
Why do you seem to want to punish success? |
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rush limbugh
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Since Rush is currently drug free I wonder how any of this even matters? His current commentary is spot on. Is he racist free? Yes. |
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The anti-christ
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Don't spew your crapola and tell me to settle down.
It's a prison. Every inmate in every prison would tell you they had been mistreated. Not only that but the prisoners in this particular prison (who have the support of the bleeding heart libs) want nothing more than to get out and KILL YOU. You are correct in thinking that there will never be any convictions. The reason for this is because there have been no laws broken. |
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State of the Economy
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Again I ask, what specific platform is Obama running on that will cure our slow economy? Bueller..Bueller..Beuller? http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/ Obama is planning on giving us all alot of money, I just wonder where he plans on getting it all. Maybe he owns a field of pots of gold or has a money tree. He is the golden child after all. Actually, he just plans on tax tax taxing the same people that hire you and I for jobs. New government programs, increased spending, new social programs, giving money back to the people, eliminating taxes for a few, increasing global aid with the Global Povery Act. That is sure a big spender there. Glad we don't have an overspending issue in government already. Yeah I wonder why we are in the deficit that we are in since all Bush has done is spend governtment funds on defense...................isnt it easy to talk and talk but when it comes down to actually doing I think that we all have to work collectively...........meaning this America the land where people have a say in the matter of the government and with that said why dont you do more than talk about what Obama is going to do and be a proactive participant in trying to voice the voices of the unheard and disenfranchised..............its cool that we are debating but this only can go so far it nitpicking instead of giving solutions to what needs to be done.................what do you think Sen.Obama and Mc Cain should do to move America forward..............you seem intelligent why dont you give us your plans instead of just complaining................. Remove all government subsidies first of all. Institute a Fair Tax, where everyone pays the same percent in taxes. A truly fair system. Truly cut pork spending in Washington. Something that ALL politicians have been invovled in, including Obama. Eliminate no-bid contracts. The food service for Congress is always in debt because most Congressmen never pay bills. Bring in a private company to supply food and make those poor Congressmen on the hill pay for their meals. Remove restrictions on drilling and exploration for all sources of energy, coal, oil, natural gas. This will create massive amounts of job opportunities, lowering unemployment. And, of course build new refineries. Build new nuclear facilities. Give corporate/big business tax incentives if they invest heavily in alternative fuels. And, give general tax incentives as well for research and developments of products that will have a huge impact on large amounts of the US population, such as new plastics, new drugs, and stuff of that sort. Eliminate a minimum wage. With it increased now if forces small businesses to fire young workers, hire less, reward good employees less with wage increases, reduce benefits, and so forth. The market and employees will set a good market wage for job starters in lower fields of business. K im going to dissect this in little parts........... K on government subsidies what type do you mean..............some of these subsidies is to keep the economy ( when it was good) at equal standing............ Next fair tax so you want a tax for the rich and the poor to be the same regardless of the income level...............isnt that a little ridiculous...........so the rich once again stay rich and the middle class and lower class stay at their level......... K I totally agree with you on the pork spending and I think there should be a salary reduction on any politicians who are already at the millionaire status.............or no salary at all since its a civic duty On the fact of privatizing the food service i believe that wouldnt eliminate anything but it would actually make it worse..............too many private industries have exploited the government (case in point Halliburton).........not liking that idea K on the minimum wage theory that is textbook macroeconomics and it hasnt been working.........eliminating the minimum wage would only lead to more unemployment...........if you think that then my recommendation is to set minimum wage at a level of experience meaning there should a guide book that would advise a reasonable wage for each job criteria (in a general since) and it should fit with the economy in every 4 years............as living conditions should rise so should the minimum wage criteria.................. Anyways im off to class so this was a fast little critique but I will give more feedback later............... Why should those with more have to pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes? How would the elimination of the minimum wage increase unemployment? Since Haliburton is profitable that makes them bad? The contracts that have been awarded to Haliburton have been contracts that no other contractor could undertake. That to me sounds like a pretty darned good business model. If they charge too much then it's only because their customer (your government) is willing to pay for it. Any subsidies that are designed to give those with less more is not fair. It creates class warfare. As Americans we ALL have the same opportunities. End of story. If you want it you can get it. There are many many success stories of those who started with nothing who now are wealthy to prove my point. I'm not in the "more" or "less" catagory but do not feel as if I need additional subsidies or incentives to better my situation. If I want more money it's as simple as putting in the sweat needed to earn more. How about term limits for house and senate! That'll cut pork barrel spending. |
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The anti-christ
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What happened in Guantanamo? Where are the convictions? You lie. How's that feel? I lie? OK, don't take my word for it. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jan/03/guantanamo.usa http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/19/guantanamo.usa http://www.forbes.com/work/feeds/afx/2005/06/24/afx2110388.html I think so. Maybe not intentionally. It's likely you just eat and regurgitate whatever you read. Don't read both sides do you? http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050614/news_1n14gitmo.html Fact of the matter is that the inmates in Guantanamo are there for a reason. If it takes forcing them to eat while they are hunger striking, tickling them, making them listen to Hillary's chuckle at 93db, or any other form of "torture" to get information that helps our military's cause in the fight against radical Islamic terrorism then it's OK by me. The Supreme court kicked us all in the groin when they decided these scum deserve the same rights as you legally. They DON'T deserve the same rights. Again I ask you for the proof of conviction for those who are guilty of abusing detainees in Guantanamo. |
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