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Is "Free Will" a sin?
Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 02/21/12 06:21 PM
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Don't limit or underestimate God, Cowboy. Cause that is what you are doing. You are trying to bring God DOWN to YOUR limited human level of understanding...  No I am not, just teaching what the scriptures say. If God knew every step you'll take before you took it, how then are we "judged"? Why then do we live out our lives? Why would God create someone(s) when he knew they were going to grow up and be a mass murderer? If God knew our actions before we were created, why then would he create evil people? Jeremiah 1:5 BEFORE I FORMED you in the womb I KNEW you; and before you came forth out of the womb I sanctified you, and I ordained you a prophet unto the nations. ..... Galatians 1:15 But when God, Who SET ME APART FROM BIRTH and CALLED ME BY HIS GRACE, was pleased ...... Psalm 139:15 My frame was NOT HIDDEN FROM YOU when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, Psalm 139:16 your eyes SAW MY UNFORMED BODY . All the days ordained for me were written in your book BEOFRE one of them CAME TO BE. .......... Isaiah 49:1 Listen to me, you islands; hear this, you distant nations: BEFORE I was BORN the LORD called me; FROM MY BIRTH He has made mention of my name. ............ Isaiah 49:5 And now the LORD says--he who formed me in the womb to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather Israel to himself, for I am honored in the eyes of the LORD and my God has been my strength- .................. Revelation 13:8 "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of THE LAMB SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE WORLD." KJV  |
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Topic:
Is "Free Will" a sin?
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Don't limit or underestimate God, Cowboy.
Cause that is what you are doing. You are trying to bring God DOWN to YOUR limited human level of understanding...
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Is "Free Will" a sin?
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To say that there is a God that knows what everyone will do before they do it, is to say that the universe is predetermined. If the universe is predetermined, there is no point in doing or deciding anything. You are just a machine following programming. Ridiculous.  No Jeannie.....not predetermined...God just KNOWS...yet it does not affect our free will choice......it is just that God already knows what our choices will be.... It is a hard to grasp , I understand...it is beyond human understanding to fully grasp it all......but we will understand it better when we enter into eternity... In eternity, time is no more.... Time is limited to our earth existence only ... again....time will be no more for us when we leave this earth....and enter into eternity |
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Is "Free Will" a sin?
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GOD IS ETERNAL..OUTSIDE OF TIME.....
BECAUSE GOD IS ETERNAL... GOD ALREADY KNOWS THE END FROM THE BEGINNIG AND THE BEGINNING FROM THE END....
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Topic:
Is "Free Will" a sin?
Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 02/21/12 05:21 PM
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God KNOWS all things...
but God does not PREDESTINE all things to happen.... in other words, God does not presdestine what we will do with our free will..God just already KNOWS what we will do with our free will. Again....GOD KNOWS ALL THINGS ... Let's not underestimate or limit what God is able to do..... by trying to bring God down to our level of human understanding.. God's Ways are FAR ABOVE our ways ....and HIS Understanding is FAR ABOVE our understanding....
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Hi Morning Song... I used to be "TelephoneMan" on here a couple years or more ago. Decided to create a new account and do a fresh start. :-) (couldn't login with the old username, so I made up a new one). I guess the old name, etc is now defunct and gone bye bye. God bless you... I know you are one of the true-blue, honest to goodness, real-live Christians. Nice to see you here again, too. GG49 God Bless You for your kind words again,Guitarman.... but there are MANY MANY true blue christians on this site,and you are one yourself... (Actaully ,a true blue christian is just someone who is BORN AGAIN....but we are all far from perfect yet... and I for one, have a lonnng way to go yet  But Thank God ...God is cleaning up and perfecting that good work that He has begun in all our lives...we are all just works in progress...all in the body of Christ..none have arrived...and again,God is not done with any of us yet...by far. Yes Guitarman... I remember you as Telephoneman.... in fact,you were one of the first ones whose posts I responded to on this site....  Be Blessed, Guitarman....it is never about us.....but only about Him IN us . Love You My Brother and Friend in Christ !!! (((((( Guitarman)))))))))))) |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 02/21/12 04:22 PM
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"Sin_and_Sorrow..God did not create after God rested... " Morning Song when you have rested on gods day do you not then step back to work on the day following? God still creates. Creation encompases the entire 'now' of the human race from Adam to our portion and beyond for farther than I can see. Genesis contains links to the past. In the same way are also links to a future beyond my ability to measure... Creation is an event in motion. AdventureBegins....I am Talking about a Spiritual Rest found on Jesus..... it is a rest from all our labors of striving to keep the law on our own....when we are born again,we enter into that rest now....cause we now allow God to work thru us and in us now.......while we yield......that is the rest found in Jesus.... That is what Jesus meant when He said," My yoke is easy and my burden is light." Also.... God stopped creating on the sixth day, and then rested on the seventh... God has not gotten up again from His rest and started creating again... And again..God wants us all to enter into that rest also (we are not just talking about taking a physical rest one day a week..but an eternal rest..a spiritual rest...) God stopped creating on the sixth day.....however....God made All things to continue to REPRODUCE after its own kind...
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and as I said, the WORD was also a being. Not just when he spoke The Father , Word(Jesus ), and The Holy Spirit are the 3 PERSONS ( 3 DISTINCTIONS) in ONE GOD. THE TRI-UNE GOD IS ONE SUPREME BEING. There is only ONE SUPREME BEING. ONE GOD.
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Topic:
Is "Free Will" a sin?
Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 02/21/12 03:56 PM
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You have the choice to obey God, or not. Again,NO man is able to obey God on his own. And again, God KNOWS this . We have a choice to accept or reject Jesus, or not. AFTER God FIRST draws us... God just wants us to WILLINGLY accept His Son Jesus..first..... THEN GOD will LIVE in us and HELP us to OBEY...THEN....and we ( because we have a NEW nature in us... the heart of God beating in us when we become born again ) will then be WILLING to obey,as God works THRU us and IN us, helping us to obey... because we have the heart of God beating in us now, when we become born again. WE WANT to please God now..and God IN US will help us and lead us, and guide us ,and teach us ...thru The Holy Spirit Now Indwelling us....to Obey..and walk in all of God's ways. It is GOD WHO IS WORKING IN us and THRU us now.....helping us to OBEY. I can't emphasize this enough....
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Topic:
Is "Free Will" a sin?
Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 02/21/12 03:06 PM
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You have a all powerful god who knows everything who creates a system were you must believe in him to be redeemed for being what he made you. No Billy.....it is NOT tthat we MUST believe..or else !!! Religion teaches that...not God's Word... God's Word NEVER says we MUST believe Him, or else !!! Again, God KNEW we would disobey (sin against God). BUT God ALSO made a WAY FOR US TO COME BACK TO GOD...(that is why He sent us His Son Jesus)..... and again...it is NOT about " we MUST ", or else !! Instead......it's about GOD DRAWING us and CONVICTING our HEARTS until WE WILLINGLY COME TO HIM ONE DAY..... NOT MUST.....but WE WILLINGLY COME when our hearts are finally CONVICTED of our sin and need for Jesus as our Saviour..THEN we have FREE WILL to CHOOSE to beleive and receive Jesus or to reject Jesus (BUT ONLY AFTER WE ARE FIRST CONVICTED AND DRAWN BY GOD THRU THE HOLY SPIRIT ... FIRST )... but WHO wilL reject JESUS , WHEN his/her heart is SOO convicted??? WHO??? But ONLY the hardest heart? THAT is the Power of God's LOVE for us...He DRAWS us unto HIM.....GOD WOOOS us...and at just the right time GOD SAVES US, when we finally believe and receive JESUS as our SAVIOUR into our hearts WILLINGLY by Faith !!!! (and btw,that FAITH TO BELIEVE also Comes from God,as we HEAR about GOD thru His WORD ...and God begins to TOUCH AND DEAL with our hearts...so we can choose to believe and receive Him with a WILLING heart now).... OR, we can choose to not believe, and just HARDEN our hearts when God DRAWS AND TOUCHES and DEAL with our hearts, too. But then again, Who will reject God When God draws us?? Except the hardest heart? It is religiousity and false teaching thst turns peope from God..not God.... and btw,that is exactly what the enemy of our soul wants to see happen..... God LOVES us....GOD is NOT out to beat us up over the head , or else. Again.... GOD DRAWS us UNTO HIM ...and CONVICTS us....and THEN gives us a chance to CHOOSE TO COME TO HIM WILLINGLY ON OUR OWN FREE WILL ...but ONLY AFTER GOD FIRST DRAWS us and CONVICTS us FIRST.... cause God KNOWS that NO man can EVER come to God ON HIS OWN. NO man can . No man is able to. That is why it takes God first drawing us....and dealing with all our hearts....first. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 02/21/12 02:06 PM
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Sin_and_Sorrow..God did not create after God rested...
Jesus (God Incarnate) was NOT created The Word BECAME FLESH..... The Word BECAME flesh and Dwelt among us..... NO NOT NOT The Word was CREATED FLESH...NO Jesus always WAS...in The beginning Jesus was known as the WORD..and the Word BECAME flesh(God INCARNATE)... and also.. the Father, Word(Jesus)and the Holy Spirit ... ALL 3 ARE EQUALLY GOD....and ARE ONLY ONE GOD. Jesus is EQUALLY AS MUCH GOD as the FATHER IS GOD..... The Holy Spirit is ALSO EQUALLY AS MUCH GOD AS THE FATHER AND SON IS GOD. The 3 ARE ONE GOD....ONLY ONE SUPREME BEING ... ONLY ONE GOD ALMIGHTY. 3 PERSONS IN ONLY ONE SUPREME BEING OR ONE GOD. |
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For there are THREE Who bear witness in heaven:
THE FATHER, THE WORD(JESUS), and THE HOLY SPIRIT; and these THREE are ONE.” (1 John 5:7)
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Topic:
Is "Free Will" a sin?
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If we did not have free will , God would have made us all robots.
But God wants willing followers,not robots. That is WHY God gave us free will..so we would choose to come to Him WILLINGLY when He draws us...not make us come to Him or else... God wants relationship back with us. God just wants us all to come back home.....where we all belong....so we can spend eternity with Abba Father...like God meant for us to have with Him, all along.
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Topic:
Is "Free Will" a sin?
Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 02/21/12 12:55 AM
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Stating this implies, simply enough; Free-will is just an illusion, and everything you deem as a 'choice' is already predetermined as to which you will choose even if you think or believe you are the one actually making said choice. No Sin_and_Sorrow...everything is NOT predetermined..it is just everything is KNOWN by God. (Read up on the many attributes of God...it wiLl help make this more clear). God Who KNOWS ALL THNGS ,already knows the end from the beginnng and the beginning from the end... Nothing is presdestined, otherwise we would not have been given free will.... God just KNOWS already what we will even do with our free will...because God IS OUTSIDE OF TIME and IS ETERNAL... |
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Topic:
Is "Free Will" a sin?
Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 02/21/12 12:52 AM
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God did NOT give us a free will so we would choose
either to obey or not to obey!!!!! No. Religion teaches that !!! GOD ALWAYS KNEW we could not obey on our own .....right from the start !!! (That is why God sent us His Son Jesus to be our Saviour...not only to save us and live IN us ...but to also help us to obey). God gave us a free will so we would either choose or not choose Jesus as Saviour !!!! (and of course , God gave us a free will to make other choices in life too.) God KNEW NO man would be able to OBEY(at least not for long),UNTIL he is FIRST BORN AGAIN !!!! THEN, AFTER man is born again.........THEN God thru the Power of The Holy Spirit ( Indwelling the believer now), ENABLES the believer to OBEY GOD NOW !!! It is God thru the Power of The Holy Spirit working IN and THRU the believer now, WHO is HELPING him to obey now. NOT the believer doing this on his own strength!!! AMEN? NONE OF US WERE ABLE TO OBEY ON OUR OWN BEFORE WE WERE SAVED ( at least not for long)....AND WE SURELY ARE NOT ABLE TO OBEY GOD ON OUR OWN AFTER WE ARE SAVED... IT IS ONLY GOD WHO IS LIVING IN US NOW AND WORKING THRU US NOW, WHO IS ENABLING US TO OBEY !!!! NOT US !!!!!! INSTEAD OF STRUGGLING TO OBEY ,WE ARE SIMPLY TO YIELD TO GOD'S WILL NOW...WHILE ALLOWING GOD TO WORK IN US AND THRU US NOW. AND WHEN WE JUST YIELD , THERE IS A SWEET REST FOUND IN JESUS, CAUSE WE NO LONGER ARE STRUGGLING TO OBEY .....INSTEAD,WE ARE JUST YIELDING AND ALLOWING GOD TO DO THE WORK IN US AND THRU US. That is what Jesus meant when He said, "My Yoke is Easy and My Burden is Light." ALSO... GOD IS THE ONE WHO IS PERFECTING THAT GOOD WORK THAT HE HAS BEGUN IN US,WHEN WE BECAME BORN AGAIN. IT IS NOT US PERFECTING THAT GOOD WORK IN US...... BUT GOD WHO IS PERFECTING THAT GOOD WORK IN US. AMEN? And Also....NO man can even come to Jesus and Choose Jesus on his own in the first place,either.... EXCEPT the Father FIRST DRAW man UNTO HIM !!! FIRST !! |
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Read Genesis
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Mon 02/20/12 10:06 PM
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When God said, let there be light and there was
light (light energy ), there was no sun created yet..... That is becasue God CREATED the sun to GENERATE the light God already created .... meaning...light was already created by God......and just generated by the sun....to keep life going here on earth. BUT.... in the new heavens and the new earth , there will be NO MORE NIGHT.....But also, there will be no more need for the sun either...because JESUS HIMSELF WILL BE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD..... We are talking about a SPIRITUAL LIGHT ....not the same kind of light as just light energy....but a LIGHT that only comes from God. JESUS SAID," I AM THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD " |
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Sin_and_Sorrow....Jesus is also know as the Word.
John chapter one.... "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God..." Also,look up the scripture where Jesus said, " before Abraham was , I AM ". |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Mon 02/20/12 08:09 PM
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Yes...GOD HIMSELF...WHO IS ONLY ONE GOD...
But there are 3 separate persons IN ONE GOD..or 3 distinctions IN ONE GOD... and no...I do not mean human persons... Persons is just a way of expaining the Tri-une GOD, WHO is ONE GOD. Again, there is ONLY ONE GOD. ONLY ONE SUPREME BEING...ONLY ONE GOD ALMIGHTY .
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Mon 02/20/12 07:55 PM
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Sin_and_Sorrow.....
SPIRITUAL death happened INSTANTLY, when Adam and Eve sinned.... their PHYSICAL death, however, just took much longer....and the years of man's physical time on earth, has dramatically decreased even moreso, since adam and eve's time on earth... US = Father Son(Word), Holy Spirit....... God is a tri-une God......but still ONLY ONE GOD. There is ONLY ONE GOD. Look up and study the word,Elohim. BTW...when a person is BORN AGAIN, that person's spirit is MADE ALIVE AGAIN ( that is what born again means).....and that person ALSO is now given ETERNAL LIFE.
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