MS 13 Doesn't play around. They are notorious for killing witnesses in cases against them and known for their violence.

The majority of the gang are illegal's.

1. Obama used Executive Orders, he is not the first President of the United States to use an Executive Order, nor is it breaking law to do so. IF his use of E. O.'s was unconstitutional, the GOP MAJORITY House and Senate have (Checks and Balances) a LEGAL course of action called Impeachment to remove him from power. They CHOSE not to use it. I wonder why?

2. Neither Obama nor his administration armed isil. As part of the original campaign PROMISE, he enacted an orderly draw down of U.S. forces as advised by our military leaders over time to include training the Iraqi military police etc. and leaving them U.S. equipment and arms they felt AFRAID to face the influx of terrorists without. Despite the efforts of years of training and armament of the IRAQI forces, they turned tail and hauled *** back to Baghdad leaving everything behind. That's how isil got the equipment.

IF Obama thought the bunch of lady golfers called the Iraqi Army was going to hold their own and use U.S. supplied weapons effectively, then his entire chain of command told him the biggest bald faced lie since "The check is in the mail." and should be summarily dismissed for dereliction of duty. We keep on hearing how intelligent Obama is, and how he figures training people who have no will to fight will change things. That logic makes Dubya look like a genius.

ISIS in Syria got weapons like a bully gets lunch money. The Free Syrian Army started out as shopkeepers, farmers, and office workers picking up AK's and trying to keep themselves from getting slaughtered by the Assad regime. al-Qaeda said "Oh look, newbies with nice shiny toys!" and took them. ISIS said "Oh look, our enemies have nice shiny toys!" and took them away from al-Qaeda. Once the first shipment of weapons gets stolen believing that the second, third, and fourth won't meet a similar fate is asnine. So YES, Obama ARMED ISIS.

3. IF Holder actually broke any laws, he is subject to U.S. Law. No charges have been filed.

Of course no charges were filed. Obama exercised executive privilege over Holders emails, so that he can't be punished. Do you really think that Holder was completely clueless, and didn't know about Fast and Furious? His White House staffers were exchanging emails with BATFE agents and offices about how well the program was going, and how they wanted Holder to go down to the border and give them a pat on the back and shake some hands. The trip gets cancelled when the border patrol agent was shot and killed with a F&F gun. Do you also not think it's ironic that an administration who spits out something about gun control on virtually a daily basis, is itself handing assault rifles to Mexican drug cartels? HILARIOUS! Yet no one goes to jail for that brilliant move.

4. Petraeus is retired. A retired U.S. Army General. I suppose he is perfectly within his First Amendment right to Freedom of Speech to make a suggestion you don't even understand. It takes a long time to become a U.S. Army General which comes with lots of experience in that Specific theatre of war. They don't hand those stars out as prizes in cracker jacks.

I completely understand the generals tactical thought process. He thinks al-Qaeda can do a better job killing ISIS in an asymmetrical battle space than coalition aircraft can, and in the process the West need not put boots on the ground. Once again, since you apparently don't understand the concept, al-Qaeda is OFFICIALLY an enemy of the United States. It's like suggesting we arm the Germans to beat the Japanese in WW2.

"war against Christian women"? What are you smoking?

Actually I quit smoking almost 4 years ago, so not smoking anything. My go to actually is 25 year old scotch. The GOP is CONSTANTLY being flogged for its mythical war against women, but here a woman that has been jailed by a defacto arm of the Democratic Party, the Supreme Court, for exercising her religious beliefs. She's a woman, she's in jail, she's a Christian. Do I need to break out the crayons to help you connect the dots?

Well I laughed my a$$ off when the White House press secretary commented that no one in America is above the law including the President. We all have to follow the law.

Wow. Really? So how come Hillary is still out on the street? Eric Holder for Fast and Furious? Lois Lerner for IRS-gate? All the underlings who were complicit in helping to hide documents/behaviors/audio/video of numerous suspected transgressions?

Obama should be in jail for treason by supplying weapons to ISIS, and former general Patraeus for suggesting publicly that the U.S. arm al-Qaeda so that THEY can beat ISIS?

These are not quibbling around the edges of political philosophy and trying to smear someone, this is the government being complicit in providing deadly weapons to drug cartels and terrorists. This is a government employee deciding that political opponents do not deserve the benefits of the tax code her own party utilizes, and attempts to affect the outcomes of elections in the process. It's about directing others to engage in this behavior as well, and lie about it.

So before the government wants to publicly berate a single woman (war against Christian women anyone?) for exercising her belief system, maybe it should clean up it's act first?

a truly 'equal' right has no qualifiers

I believe relatives still have no 'right' to marriage, so marriage has simply been redefined to include same sex, but not made an 'equal right' for all citizens at all


she should not have the power to deny a legal document, but she should be able to choose what her name goes onto if it conflicts with her religious values and if that documents nature has changed,,,


in any case, people have been willing to break 'laws' before to stand up for a principle,,,sometimes if enough people do, others take note and amend or at least compromise

sometimes they don't


I have a feeling the LGBT community has too much power for the latter to be the case here, but I respect a fellow Christian for not wishing to take part in participating in signing her name, and therefore her consent to, that particular 'contractual' agreement..

she will not have this job when she is done, but she will earn enough respect to have another waiting somewhere

this will happen, everything that changes will be changed in the name of not allowing 'religion' to rule our laws


I have accepted that knowledge at this point,,,but respect those strong enough not to live in it or of it,,, themselves,,,

none of your examples stated that he knocked anyone out,, grabbed, destroyed property,,,,,but no one being knocked out,,,


and if trump security is so professional, maybe THEY should run

because he certainly isn't,,,,lol

his family founded wealth just fools people into pretending he is,,,

How come every Civilized Country in the civilized world are trying to do something to help these refugees, YET the ARAB states have closed borders..
They are rich as hell and are coming across as selfish pigs.
Poor Greece... I mean, they are broke, their shores are dead with refugees, - how can they support them?
Western and European governments should put pressure on them (ARAB STATES) to open their borders, or (better yet) their purses..

Has anyone here ever read about the Rothschilds?
Keep em fighting, and ignorant, create and support chaos..

If you or I, fired a weapon into a crowd, and killed someone accidentally.
We, would get a one-way ticket to Huntsville.

The cop, should get some prison time,
and never, ever be allowed to own, possess, or even be in the presence of firearms, and/or live ammunition.
... seein's how, he's proven himself to be a life threatening danger, to the general public.

As to the original suspect...
I hope that moron bled out.

passive resistance has changed many things

I respect her stand and her values, I believe she is being made an example of (judges have options in their decisions, there is rarely a one size fits all that a Judge HAS to hand down)


I too believe it unrealistic and kind of asinine to tell people for any reason who have worked honestly in a position that pays their bills that if something changes they should just 'quit',,,


both sides stood their ground, the female has less power than the judge or the current laws,, but in numbers, sometimes laws can be adjusted,,,,

a lesson well learned from the droves of same sex supporters who had marriage redefined

or the legions of human and decent people who fought for slaves to be treated in the law as something more than just property,,,,

I note that for many of you the solution seems to be "Well if she doesn't like it she should quit." is your mantra. Well a couple of points.

1) The clerks position, and handing out marriages licenses was taking place looong before the decision by the Supreme Court. So arguably, she can say her job description has changed, and she doesn't like the change. Let's say next week your boss comes to you and says you are now doing the work of another employee plus your own for no increase in pay or benefits. Don't like it? Think it's unfair to you? Then live your opinion, and just quit your job the next day. Explain to the bank taking back your car and house in 4 months how you are making a statement.
2) Much has been made that she can't just claim her belief system as justification for denying people service, and how she needs to just suck it up and do it. Ok, no problem. YOU own a coffee shop. You notice the same group of 4-5 guys come in every Saturday morning and talk about their fantasy of molesting kids. Seems they belong to NAMBLA, an organization that believes men and underage boys should be allowed romantic relationships without fear of legal or moral punishment. This is a 10 out of 10 on the 'ewww gross' scale. The law says people can talk about whatever they want. Free speech right? However the conversations are offensive to your staff and surrounding customers. You gonna ask them to leave and not come back because the conversation is morally offensive to you and others? Can you in good faith continue to provide them a place to meet and by doing so tacitly encourage their conversations and behaviors? Your moral compass has no right to decide to whom you will provide your services?
3) Same problem again, if you owned the infamous 'Christian bakery' and a pedophile comes in wanting you to bake a cake saying "Molest Kids!". You gonna say 'Nope. Sorry. That's where I draw the line.'? Go ahead, have a conscience, but based on recent legal case law, be prepared to lay out a 6 figure settlement cheque, because you don't get to refuse anyone, anymore.

I'm not saying I agree with her defying the court, however there's no provision for her supervisor to step in? Appoint another employee the duty of handling the 'gay people'? What happens when she's sick or goes on vacation? Do they just stop handing out licenses until she comes back to the office? I'm sure some other arrangement could have been made instead of forcing her to go to jail for her beliefs.

Funny though how we have to conform to other religious beliefs in the workplace. Some companies prohibit ham sandwiches or other pork products so as not to offend Muslims or Jews on staff. Many companies provide rooms in offices for Muslim prayer. Funny how they are referred to as multi-faith rooms, like anyone can go at any time and pray. Since Christian faiths don't have a 5 times a day rule like Islam, can you really tell your boss you want 5 prayer breaks a day for Jesus? We have companies that must allow hijabs and burkas in the workplace, regardless if they present a safety hazard. So a Muslim woman working a machine with exposed running gear can wear her hijab even though it might strangle her if it gets caught.

We've had cases in Canada where Sikhs didn't want to wear motorcycle helmets over their headgear. Where they didn't want to wear helmets during military training on a grenade range. Where they insisted they be allowed to carry knives called kirpans since it is used to defend their religion from those who would insult it or them. Our police departments came up with colour co-ordinated turbans for those wanting to serve. So the blue turban for being in uniform, and the white one for working undercover?

In the end I applaud this woman for living her morals and values, even though it has cost her some freedom. How this comes to a conclusion for her (and other Christians) is going to be interesting.

Since your taking shots at Trump with your cheap shots about billionaires his security has more professionalism then this thug has anyday. Just look at how they handled that idiot reporter that tried to provoke them, they escorted him out without touching him. This thug (based on past behaviors) would have knocked the reporter out and gotten sued. Maybe that's why this THUG isn't a billionaire.....

Usually just one outside agency would conduce the investigation unless something much larger is possibly going on.

i don't think they murdered him, but had something directly to do with his death... the bond was only 500,000 dollars, for killing a cop?

Seems like maybe this judge took personal offense at some things, and might not have been interested in a reasonable compromise.

I agree. For whatever reason she didn't do her job. Putting her in prison seems a bit harsh....to me.