Both women and men excel in the same areas.

Again, the point is: A woman that tries to compete with a man, in a relationship (i.e. tries to show him up, or boast about her career, or he lack of need for a man) is unattractive to a man. Second, a woman that takes on manly traits, like watching sports centers, or trying to be "like a man" in her interests, is unattractive to men.

Competition between any genders outside of a relationship is natural. People of both genders compete in Marathons, or in office politics.

In a relationship, a man, in general, likes to be with someone, who can leave the competition with men at the office, and be a feminine partner. But, more so, not compete (as many career minded women do), with her partner for status at home. Men are not attracted to a woman that competes with him at home. In a relationship, a man wants to be the man, and hopes that his partner will be feminine and not compete with him.

Eventhough a woman, in this case, defers, she is no less a person, and in fact due a great deal of admiration and respect for understanding the differences between men and women.

Anyone who thinks the point of this post was to "get attention from the ladies" is very mis-guided.

Again, the point of this post is: A woman that tries to compete with a man, in a relationship (i.e. tries to show him up, or boast about her career, or her lack of need for a man) is unattractive to a man. Second, a woman that takes on manly traits, like watching Sports Center every night, or trying to be "like a man" in her interests, is unattractive to men.

No reason to get personal, sir, your posts have gotten as much attention as any lady.

Most men will agree with basic premise of my argument. Of course, there will always be some that will not (John Mayer fans, etc). However, just because a few disagree, doesn't make the premise flawed.

It's not about communication, sir. Of course, people want to come home, in some cases, and talk about their day.

The type of person this thread is concerned with is a "career woman", who feels the need to show that she is better than a man, or doesn't need a man. These traits are unattractive to men. It's also, in general, unattractive for a woman to have too many manly traits.

The point is that women who try to show up a man, or have too many manly traits will find it difficult to have prodcutive relationships with men.

In one way, sir, you've kind of proven my point.

You said that if a woman makes more money than you, that gives you a reason to work harder.

Behind all the equality, there is a sense of competition for a man. A man feels like he needs to be more successful, or make more money than his wife/girlfriend. This is not a bad thing. It's just our nature. Genetically, men are wired to be the providers, and we don't like to feel that we're not able to do that. And certainly, we don't want to be with someone who makes a point of her career and income, as compared to ours.

Cowboy, you might be OK with a woman making more money than you - as many men would. But, I suspect you wouldn't stay long with someone who pointed it out on a nightly basis...

Agreed. No one needs to prove they are better than anyone. This kind of behavior goes both ways. How attractive is it to a woman to come home every night and be shown that her career is not as good as a man's? (rhetorical) Men who try to be-little woman are just as wrong, as a woman, who tries to be-little a man.

My point is that with more women in their 30's and 40's settling into a career and, in some cases trying to compete with men in the office. This competitive nature, experienced by a man while dating and during a relationship, makes the man unattracted to this type of woman.

The difficulty is that many career minded women can't leave the office behind, and be feminine at home. They're still fighting the good fight, for equality with men, at home. Even though, a man is naturally unattracted to this kind of competition.

Good thoughts, sir.

The point is not about what a man can do vs. a woman. We all admire people, of any gender, that are muti-talented. I think many people are missing the point when they boil this discussion down to gender roles.

The point is not about what a man can do vs. a woman, or what a man should do vs. a woman. Or, that anything a woman does is threatening to a man.

The point is this: A woman that tries to compete with a man, in a relationship (i.e. tries to show him up, or boast about her career, or he lack of need for a man) is unattractive to a man. Second, a woman that takes on manly traits, like watching sports centers, or trying to be "like a man" in her interests, is unattractive to men.

I'm not sure if we hate ourselves, but the lines between gender roles have definitely become confused, and it's not necesarily a good thing. Gender roles exist in nature. The male of the species has a certain role, as does the female. With more women taking on roles that are traditionally male, they can, by extention take on more male characteristics and become more competitve with men. These male characteristics are generally unattractive to men.

Maam, I think you missed the point. Sorry.

The point was not for women to give up their careers, wander back into the kitchen, and become baby making machines.

The point is for successful women to try not to compete with a man, in their relationship (i.e. to try not to show up a man's success, or rub it in his face that she makes more money than him). This is unattractive to men. Also, secondly, if a woman takes on masculine traits, men will find this unattractive as well.

Ladies...When we get home from a long day at work. He wants us to wait on him...Leave the office behind, the important decisions you made over the course of the day, and serve him up some food...and never let him forget he's bossman....


Most likely this is facitious, but this is some truth to this.

Here are the exceptions:

1.) We don't need someone to cook for us. (that concept has gone the way of the dinosaur)

Here is the truth

1.) "The bossman syndrome" Men do like to feel they are in charge in a relationship. I know this comes as a shock and goes against the grain of what many career women experience in the office, but at home, a man likes to feel in charge of the relationship. (Sorry, we're wired that way)
2.) We don't want someone to try to compete with us. We'd love to hear about your day, but we don't want to be compared to or looked down on. Many women with successful careers think less of men who haven't acheived the same level of success (and tend to compete against any man). In relationships, as in the office, these women still feel they need to prove something to a man.

Good thoughts.

How would you feel if you were divorced more than once, and lost half each time? You could be paying so much alimony that you were just above poverty, while your ex's were enjoying the bulk of your salary.

Some good points here.

I would add that we all do have our personal preferences, hair length, eye color, etc.

However, most men, deep down inside, are driven by a pre-historic desire to be the provider. That inane nature causes us to be unattracted to women who try to compete with us, or exhibit traits that are like other men.

Let's try to keep the comments constructive, and avoid personal attacks.

You keep missing the point dear, but I will repeat it...

The point is NOT about a woman doing anything better than a man. We all recognize that some women have achieved, or accomplished, more than some men. The point is also NOT about fear. This is a huge point that some women miss. Men are not fearful of women. We are just hard wired to be unattracted to a woman that tries to compete with us. We may ignore the competetive nature of a competetive woman, to get her into bed. But for something long lasting, we need a woman to not try to compete with us.

The point is that it is unattractive to a man, for a woman to try to show up the man she is trying to date, or brag about her success, or try to prove that she is just as good as a man. It is also unattractive to a man, for a woman to show off her manly traits.

You also missed the point, sir.

There's nothing wrong with a woman being better than a man at anything (sports, having a career, finances, etc).

The point is: It's not attractive to a man to be in a relationship with a woman who feels the need to show that she's better than him. It's also not attractive to men, when "career women" exhibit manly traits like watching Sports Center every night.

Sorry dear, you're one isolated case. Statistics show that men do not take their half, in the same percentages that women do.

This is part of a growing trend that erodes the desire of men to get married. Why give up half your assets?

I respectfully disagree with you here, sir. Women, in general, are somewhat attracted to a man's success. However, the opposite is true of a man. Men do not want to be in a relationship with a woman that comes home and talks about how much money she makes or how much more succesful she is that him.

That's awfully personal, sir.


However, the point is not about men accepting a woman who is better at something than a man. Most manly men can appreciate a woman's success or talent.

The point is a woman that tries to compete with a man, in their relationship (i.e. talking about how successful she is, or how much money she makes), or exhibits manly traits, is not attractive to men.

Let's not get personal, dear. My profile explains why my pic is not posted.

This thread has nothing to do with being intimidted by successful (i.e. career) women.

The point is that many "career women" tend to try to compete with a man in their relationship (i.e. talking of how they don't need a man, or about how much money they make, etc), and take on manly traits that men find unattractive.

By not trying to compete with a man, and not being so manly, a "career woman" increases the likelihood of finding a man, with which she can have a sucessful relationship.

I respectully disagree with you, sir. The vast majority of men are manly men. Maybe they don't wear their animal hydes on their backs anymore, but deep down inside they want a women to not try to compete with them, and not be into manly stuff (e.g. Sport Center).

Unless, of course, they are not into women, or in the John Mayer consortium.

Maam, I think you missed the point. Sorry.

The point was not for women to give up their careers, wander back into the kitchen, and become baby making machines.

The point is for successful women to try not to compete with a man, in their relationship (i.e. to try not to show up a man's success, or rub it in his face that she makes more money than him). This is unattractive to men. Also, secondly, if a woman takes on masculine traits, men will find this unattractive as well.